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Major edit here for changing the name. The name change was for political correctness. Kwagiutl was switched to Kwakwaka'wakw and such. I will be adding more to the page overall. The information to do with Pauline Johnson is incorrect. Pauline Johnson was known to romanticize her stories about the Skwxwu7mesh peoples. OldManRivers
Just checking - I think understand the reason for the sentence, which won't be clear to many people not familiar with local history and peoples: is the difference between and , i.e. the -ulh, distinguish between the people and the organization/institution? Just trying to understand so as to maybe make the sentence clearer for casual visitors; one reason I'm asking is that the emerging standards within the Indigenous Peoples of North America WikiProject call for separate ethno/people, language and political/organization articles, ultimately at least three for each people, more if reserves or reservations are multi-tribal (as happens a lot in the US). Also just trying to the terms straight for my own sake; I'm more familiar with basic St'at'imc.
Thanks for the correction. Skwxwu7mesh-ulh best translates to "Our Skwxwu7mesh People" which differs from "Skwxwu7mesh" which is more directly related to the land. e.g. Canada vs. Canadian OldManRivers
I changed the spelling of the proper place names in the skwxwu7mesh snichem. I know this is hard to prove, but my source is the Language Department from this First Nation's Band Office. OldManRivers
Is the IPA just for people to understand how to pronounce, or to actualy change the spelling of the language in subject?
Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy for articles is to give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. The English language often mangles the words it absorbs from other languages, and I agree that "Squamish First Nation" can be described as "the colonial and bastardized version of the historical name." However, article naming policy is intended for usability, not for solving the problems caused by colonialism and racism.
With all due respect, we have to give this article an English name. What is the most commonly understood English name for this group? I imagine it is either "Squamish Nation" or "Squamish First Nation." I think "Squamish Nation" is more common. I will put in a request at Wikipedia:Requested_moves in a couple of days. Kla'quot 06:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yet another example of native orthography vs "bastardized" Latin-English adaptations: we've all gotten use to seeing Nisga'a (meaning "people of the Nass"), but it's still pronounced Nishga (the "bastardized and colonialized" version). But the same latinization (Nisga'a) if pronounced according to the rules for the Hawaiian language (to pick an example out of thin air) would sound entirely different. Skookum1 07:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
To me the arguments presented by OldManRivers and others on other pages represent the colonization of English. Stick that in your political correctness cap and give it a think (especially given the rationalizations for derisive terms for whites/Europeans, e.g. hwelitum/hwunitum (the hungry people) in Straits/Fraser Salish or Gweilo in Chinese (see Talk:Gweilo. Skookum1 07:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought I would post something here first before I start making haste-like changes. In terms of wikipedia and an encyclopedia format, I move to use Squamish Nation as the page for the Indian Act-Band Council government. Things treaty, business, economic development, related, and other news pertaining to the nation, not the people. The government is still a colonial government in the traditional territories of the Skwxwu7mesh. The Skwxwu7mesh page could then be used for culture, community, and history. Things of the stories, culture, spirituality and religion, could then be added for that page, (also creating more articles for stories, places, language, etc). There is a bit of a problem with the other page, but see the Talk:Skwxwu7mesh for that one. Anyone majority object to this? OldManRivers 10:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The article gives no indication about who is considered a member (citizen) of the Squamish Nation, what the rules governing this are, the demographics of the nation today, etc. Tmangray ( talk) 17:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I went to the Squamish Nation's website looking for finanical information; didn't see any.
Does anyone know where I can find the Nation's audited financial statements and any value-for-money audits?
Jacques A55 ( talk) 20:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Error: at least one area specification must be given
03:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrxBrx ( talk • contribs)The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Squamish Nation/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Very briefly: this is not an objective article. It uses highly subjective language that is clearly open to debate. I'm not taking sides, I just think that objectivity should be sought and/or imposed to give this resource credibility. The credibility of this article is diluted due to its unobjective and ideological language. |
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Major edit here for changing the name. The name change was for political correctness. Kwagiutl was switched to Kwakwaka'wakw and such. I will be adding more to the page overall. The information to do with Pauline Johnson is incorrect. Pauline Johnson was known to romanticize her stories about the Skwxwu7mesh peoples. OldManRivers
Just checking - I think understand the reason for the sentence, which won't be clear to many people not familiar with local history and peoples: is the difference between and , i.e. the -ulh, distinguish between the people and the organization/institution? Just trying to understand so as to maybe make the sentence clearer for casual visitors; one reason I'm asking is that the emerging standards within the Indigenous Peoples of North America WikiProject call for separate ethno/people, language and political/organization articles, ultimately at least three for each people, more if reserves or reservations are multi-tribal (as happens a lot in the US). Also just trying to the terms straight for my own sake; I'm more familiar with basic St'at'imc.
Thanks for the correction. Skwxwu7mesh-ulh best translates to "Our Skwxwu7mesh People" which differs from "Skwxwu7mesh" which is more directly related to the land. e.g. Canada vs. Canadian OldManRivers
I changed the spelling of the proper place names in the skwxwu7mesh snichem. I know this is hard to prove, but my source is the Language Department from this First Nation's Band Office. OldManRivers
Is the IPA just for people to understand how to pronounce, or to actualy change the spelling of the language in subject?
Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy for articles is to give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. The English language often mangles the words it absorbs from other languages, and I agree that "Squamish First Nation" can be described as "the colonial and bastardized version of the historical name." However, article naming policy is intended for usability, not for solving the problems caused by colonialism and racism.
With all due respect, we have to give this article an English name. What is the most commonly understood English name for this group? I imagine it is either "Squamish Nation" or "Squamish First Nation." I think "Squamish Nation" is more common. I will put in a request at Wikipedia:Requested_moves in a couple of days. Kla'quot 06:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yet another example of native orthography vs "bastardized" Latin-English adaptations: we've all gotten use to seeing Nisga'a (meaning "people of the Nass"), but it's still pronounced Nishga (the "bastardized and colonialized" version). But the same latinization (Nisga'a) if pronounced according to the rules for the Hawaiian language (to pick an example out of thin air) would sound entirely different. Skookum1 07:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
To me the arguments presented by OldManRivers and others on other pages represent the colonization of English. Stick that in your political correctness cap and give it a think (especially given the rationalizations for derisive terms for whites/Europeans, e.g. hwelitum/hwunitum (the hungry people) in Straits/Fraser Salish or Gweilo in Chinese (see Talk:Gweilo. Skookum1 07:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought I would post something here first before I start making haste-like changes. In terms of wikipedia and an encyclopedia format, I move to use Squamish Nation as the page for the Indian Act-Band Council government. Things treaty, business, economic development, related, and other news pertaining to the nation, not the people. The government is still a colonial government in the traditional territories of the Skwxwu7mesh. The Skwxwu7mesh page could then be used for culture, community, and history. Things of the stories, culture, spirituality and religion, could then be added for that page, (also creating more articles for stories, places, language, etc). There is a bit of a problem with the other page, but see the Talk:Skwxwu7mesh for that one. Anyone majority object to this? OldManRivers 10:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The article gives no indication about who is considered a member (citizen) of the Squamish Nation, what the rules governing this are, the demographics of the nation today, etc. Tmangray ( talk) 17:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I went to the Squamish Nation's website looking for finanical information; didn't see any.
Does anyone know where I can find the Nation's audited financial statements and any value-for-money audits?
Jacques A55 ( talk) 20:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Error: at least one area specification must be given
03:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrxBrx ( talk • contribs)The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Squamish Nation/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Very briefly: this is not an objective article. It uses highly subjective language that is clearly open to debate. I'm not taking sides, I just think that objectivity should be sought and/or imposed to give this resource credibility. The credibility of this article is diluted due to its unobjective and ideological language. |
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