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The most common name is Muzeu Kombëtar Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu. This translates to Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu National Museum. Therefore, I propose moving the page back to Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu National Museum.
Djks1 (
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16:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Move but elsewhere? The
sole English language reference uses "The Skanderbeg Museum (Muzeu Kombetar Gj. Kastriot Skenderbeu)" which suggests perhaps using Skanderbeg Museum and would seem a more natural phrasing. That said, the RM's current target does match what the official website's English language version uses
[1], "NATIONAL MUSEUM “GJERGJ KASTRIOT SKËNDERBEU” which sure, switch the order and remove the quotes, so I'd prefer that over the current title, albeit as a second choice.
SnowFire (
talk)
05:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment The museum is named Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu but is not dedicated only to him but practically the entire medieval period or at least before and after his death. So I would agree to Move in Skanderbeg Museum or Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu Museum.Bes-ARTTalk08:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Renaming article
This article needs to be renamed by its official title National History Museum "Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu" as is shown in the museum's official website. I don't understand why or who came up with the idea to name it Skanderbeg Museum?! No such museum exists or has ever existed. There is a Skanderbeg Mausoleum in Lezhë but an actual museum called Skanderbeg Museum does not exist and has never existed. And no, it is not also known as Skanderbeg Museum. It has never been phrased or mentioned as such.
Kj1595 (
talk)
07:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
You've written an awful lot of sentences making the same false assertion. From the "Rreth Nesh" ("About Us") page on the museum's own website: "Muzeu Kombëtar Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu i njohur edhe si Muzeu i Skënderbeut dhe Muzeu i Krujës, ndodhet në Krujë dhe është një nga më të vizituarit në Shqipëri." (Roughly, "Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg National Museum, also known as Skanderbeg Museum and Krujë Museum, is located in Krujë and is one of the most visited in Albania.").
Largoplazo (
talk)
11:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
You're free to follow the instructions at
WP:RM if you'd like to propose a move, but let me caution you in advance that if you solely base your argument on "official title", people will oppose - we have an entire guideline,
Wikipedia:Official names, that states that Wikipedia does not honor the "official title" without reservation, but instead treats it as one factor among many. The fact that the museum itself says that "Skanderbeg Museum" is a valid title also weakens the case here - they don't say "some people call us this but that's wrong and we hate it", it just says it's another name for the museum. The reason why it's currently at "Skanderbeg Museum" is the
WP:COMMONNAME guideline - that we should use the most common term, which in this case is also an official term. If you'd like to propose a move, I'd tentatively suggest challenging that - if you can show your variant is more common in English language literature, then that might convince people that a move is in order.
SnowFire (
talk)
20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Skanderbeg Museum is part of the WikiProject Albania, an attempt to co-ordinate articles relating to Albania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
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welcome page so as to become familiar with the guidelines. If you would like to participate, please join the project and help with our
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject Museums, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The most common name is Muzeu Kombëtar Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu. This translates to Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu National Museum. Therefore, I propose moving the page back to Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu National Museum.
Djks1 (
talk)
16:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Move but elsewhere? The
sole English language reference uses "The Skanderbeg Museum (Muzeu Kombetar Gj. Kastriot Skenderbeu)" which suggests perhaps using Skanderbeg Museum and would seem a more natural phrasing. That said, the RM's current target does match what the official website's English language version uses
[1], "NATIONAL MUSEUM “GJERGJ KASTRIOT SKËNDERBEU” which sure, switch the order and remove the quotes, so I'd prefer that over the current title, albeit as a second choice.
SnowFire (
talk)
05:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment The museum is named Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu but is not dedicated only to him but practically the entire medieval period or at least before and after his death. So I would agree to Move in Skanderbeg Museum or Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu Museum.Bes-ARTTalk08:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Renaming article
This article needs to be renamed by its official title National History Museum "Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu" as is shown in the museum's official website. I don't understand why or who came up with the idea to name it Skanderbeg Museum?! No such museum exists or has ever existed. There is a Skanderbeg Mausoleum in Lezhë but an actual museum called Skanderbeg Museum does not exist and has never existed. And no, it is not also known as Skanderbeg Museum. It has never been phrased or mentioned as such.
Kj1595 (
talk)
07:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
You've written an awful lot of sentences making the same false assertion. From the "Rreth Nesh" ("About Us") page on the museum's own website: "Muzeu Kombëtar Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu i njohur edhe si Muzeu i Skënderbeut dhe Muzeu i Krujës, ndodhet në Krujë dhe është një nga më të vizituarit në Shqipëri." (Roughly, "Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg National Museum, also known as Skanderbeg Museum and Krujë Museum, is located in Krujë and is one of the most visited in Albania.").
Largoplazo (
talk)
11:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
You're free to follow the instructions at
WP:RM if you'd like to propose a move, but let me caution you in advance that if you solely base your argument on "official title", people will oppose - we have an entire guideline,
Wikipedia:Official names, that states that Wikipedia does not honor the "official title" without reservation, but instead treats it as one factor among many. The fact that the museum itself says that "Skanderbeg Museum" is a valid title also weakens the case here - they don't say "some people call us this but that's wrong and we hate it", it just says it's another name for the museum. The reason why it's currently at "Skanderbeg Museum" is the
WP:COMMONNAME guideline - that we should use the most common term, which in this case is also an official term. If you'd like to propose a move, I'd tentatively suggest challenging that - if you can show your variant is more common in English language literature, then that might convince people that a move is in order.
SnowFire (
talk)
20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply