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They might have started out as a punk band, but they soon became goth IMHO - Steeev 22:55, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Can someone sort out the whole Dallion/Ballion thing once and for all, with a properly cited source? Please? -- Stormie 10:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
...so can we please fix her name?
Sid left the Banshees to join/form "The Flowers of Romance" - which is where he started using his famous nom de plume - with various people who later appeared in The Slits and The Raincoats (from memory). This band did not gig (as far as I am aware), so I have not edited the article as there is little point. I have edited the Pirroni bit as Adam and the Ants released records in the period between Marco leaving the Banshees and joining Mr Ant.
Actually if you search google images (sid vicious on drums) there are quite a few pictures of them playing a gig at the 100 punk club
It would be great if someone could add a discussion of the controversy she faced for wearing swastica-adorned clothing... her critics, her defenses, and what came of that issue —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomtext279 ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
"the Bromley Contingent followed the Pistols to France, where Siouxsie was beaten up for wearing a black armband with a swastika on it." So it's okay if a woman gets beaten up for waering swastika's. Which is completely sexist! And hypocrtical. The "punks" who beat her up were obviously left-wing or Jewish or what have you. but this goes against everything the Left stands for! So why was Siouxsie attacked when many punks of the 70's wore swastikas as well, such as Johnny Thunders (R.I.P), Dee Dee Ramone (R.I.P), The Dead Boys, Sid Vicious (R.I.P.) Captain Sensible and many, many more... So what's the deal?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.124.180 ( talk) 04:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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there's no problem with records sleeves 'cse every artist page has got a discography page with albums & singles reproducing the pictures of the sleeves. if you start this policy here, I'm afraid you'd have to erase all the discography pictures pages on the wikipedia site. User:212.234.92.35 18 july 2007
This is already policy, and nothing new being started here. You can see it in examples 16 and 17 here, WP:NONFREE#Examples_of_unacceptable_use. Wikipedia has a strong preference for free rather than copyrighted images, because under direction from the Foundation we are a part of, we try to make the articles as freely reusable as possible, not just here but on other websites. Copyrighted pictures cannot always be used on other sites, so whenever there is another picture that will do we use that one. As a band that is still active (sort of), anyone who wants to get a totally free picture can take a photo of them at a concert or a publicity event, and more than likely there are some out there already. Therefore, instead of using the record album cover photo we should look for a free image. Most artists do not have album covers as their main picture, and that is allowable only under specific circumstances. Artist discographies are usually lower in the page, and they can and are being erased under the policy. That's the reason in a nutshell. The Parsnip! 23:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, so there have been some reverts made regarding whether we should say Steve Jones "insulted" Bill Grundy, or that he called him a "dirty fucker". Can people put forward their arguments here, rather than reverting and discussing via edit summaries?
Personally, looking over the transcript at Bill Grundy, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that Grundy "..tried to flirt with her. In reaction, Pistols guitarist Steve Jones called him a "dirty fucker"". Jones' reaction to Grundy's flirting was to call him a "dirty sod" and a "dirty old man" - the "dirty fucker" and "fucking rotter" insults only came after further goading by Grundy. So, while I'm perfectly happy to have offensive language reproduced in this article (per WP:NOTCENSORED), I just don't think it's factually correct in this case. -- Stormie ( talk) 00:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Since consensus can change and User:Carliertwo is the only editor who insists on adding in all the irrelevant and too detailed information whilst other editors have not reverted the changes, it is clear that the consensus has changed. If Carliertwo can build a new consensus here to show that information should be re-added I will happily back down. -- JD554 ( talk) 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring on this point. With multiple editors opposing its inclusion -- I don't think the sourcing is solid enough, and it really is trivia -- and the objection about it having nothing to with musical influence is well taken. If it were only my objection, I'd drop the point, but with two editors opposed and only you supporting, you should make the case for your content here and try to gain consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 17:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of consistancy we must choose either Sioux or Siouxsie and use it throughout the article. May we have a consensus? I'd like the input of other editors. I for one support Siouxsie. It is basically what she's called in most interviews and reviews.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 12:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I am rather baffled by this edit. I created that hatnote explicitly because I was confused about these two singers. Despite their spellings, their names are pronounced identically, and it is unlikely that I will be the last person confused between the two. I am going to place the hatnote back, and would appreciate some discussion before it is removed again. Thank you. 98.71.223.84 ( talk) 22:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Reading this in conjunction with Siouxsie and the Banshees#Legacy and influence, there seems to be a lot of duplication - of more concern is that much of the material in this article is artists referencing the band. I think that only those quotes that are directly noting Sioux's specific contribution to the band, singing and stage presence and maybe lyrics, or contemporary culture, style and attitude, should be kept. Any comment that references the band or its music properly stays only in the band article, since the music was mostly a collaborative and joint effort which is acknowledged by the credits on the records. Unless there are sources which clearly define Sioux's individual contribution to the general comments regarding SatB (or The Creatures, but I may have missed those) I shall be removing them in a short while. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 13:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently, there is no dominant English variant in the article. Some editors have used American English, and some have used British English. Therefore, I propose to standardise the article and use British English throughout, due to Siouxsie's strong national ties with England. Any objections? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is loaded top to bottom with original research and unverified claims. It is very much lacking in sources. I will begin removing unsourced claims if they are not sourced. Night Ranger ( talk) 02:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I saw her in concert in the 1980s and have "known" her surname to be Dallion for a quarter of a century, until 3 minutes ago.
The article should still mention that she was long known by an incorrect name, if that is really the case.
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So... According to imdb and one another website, she's been married to a guy named Patrick Clarke since 2007. Is that accurate, or was there just a mix up? (Since Budgie's real name is Peter Clarke). Le Rusecue ( talk) 04:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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"Her mother, Betty, was a bilingual half-Scots and half-English secretary,"
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I am placing a hatnote here to clarify that this singer is not another singer. I see that the other singer already has a hatnote, and it makes sense to me that this one as well. After all, their names are pronounced 100% identically, and someone could come across the name of this singer and wonder if it was an alternate spelling. Best to help the reader out. Un sch ool 20:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can this DailyMail source "a long interview of singer Florence Welch published in 2010 [18] citing Siouxsie Sioux as one of her references", be included in the Siouxsie article in the influence section, as an exception only for this page ? I ask this because the Daily Mail was deprecated as a reliable source for poor fact checking in their politics pages and stories in their news pages in 2017 and 2019. The interview was conducted by Louise Gannon which résumé can be found at [19]. Gannon interviewed other artists such as Mick Jagger [20] and Madonna [21]. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Louise Gannon's interview of Madonna is also available on the DM source via web.archive [22] The Florence Welch inteview DM source would be helpful for the Siouxsie article, as it is an interview of Florence Welch containing this statement :<< I'm lucky that there seems to be a massive revival in female performers. My icons were always women like Kate Bush, Stevie Nicks and Siouxsie Sioux. Who wouldn't be proud to carry o n that tradition? >>. She clearly recognized Siouxsie as an inspiration in this interview made by journalist "LOUISE GANNON FOR MAILONLINE", which was published on 14 August 2010.
This source would be an exception, only for that Siouxsie article as The Daily Mail source was deprecated as a reliable source in 2017 and in 2019 [23] after the problems of poor fact-checking regarding politics and Brexit campaign; <<Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist. As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. An edit filter should be put in place going forward to warn editors attempting to use the Daily Mail as a reference. The general themes of the support !votes centred on the Daily Mail’s reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication>>. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Support. This is an interview of a singer; it is not a fake interview of a politician. I dont think anyone should doubt the veracity of this interview. It was published in the "Culture" pages of the newspaper. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose not solely because of the sourcing, but also because the section is already something of an examplefarm. Given the number of mentions already included, I don't think one with less reliable sourcing warrants inclusion. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:23, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
*Support - Unless something better is out there then I don't see why this shouldn't be used - This looks to be a legit interview so for this specific case I see no harm with it being used, (I will just add that my supporting shouldn't set a precedence that DM is fine as a source because it isn't however this is an interview and not the usual tabloid shite). –
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Hello. I Made an edit to the SIOUXSIE SIOUX page stating that 'like her brother she is a fan of Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club. The edit was removed because the edit was unsourced. I Got this info from the following interview in THE DAILY TELEGRAPH news paper dated 25/10/2003 ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3605285/In-black-and-white.html) and also via an interview in UNCUT Magazine in September 2007 ( https://wholehoggblog.wordpress.com/tag/siouxsie-sioux/). Please can someone put in my edit as I think this is relevant information about the artist. I Do not know how to ad reference to my edits so can someone do it for me please? Thank you Bestbass42 ( talk) 09:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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They might have started out as a punk band, but they soon became goth IMHO - Steeev 22:55, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Can someone sort out the whole Dallion/Ballion thing once and for all, with a properly cited source? Please? -- Stormie 10:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
...so can we please fix her name?
Sid left the Banshees to join/form "The Flowers of Romance" - which is where he started using his famous nom de plume - with various people who later appeared in The Slits and The Raincoats (from memory). This band did not gig (as far as I am aware), so I have not edited the article as there is little point. I have edited the Pirroni bit as Adam and the Ants released records in the period between Marco leaving the Banshees and joining Mr Ant.
Actually if you search google images (sid vicious on drums) there are quite a few pictures of them playing a gig at the 100 punk club
It would be great if someone could add a discussion of the controversy she faced for wearing swastica-adorned clothing... her critics, her defenses, and what came of that issue —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomtext279 ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
"the Bromley Contingent followed the Pistols to France, where Siouxsie was beaten up for wearing a black armband with a swastika on it." So it's okay if a woman gets beaten up for waering swastika's. Which is completely sexist! And hypocrtical. The "punks" who beat her up were obviously left-wing or Jewish or what have you. but this goes against everything the Left stands for! So why was Siouxsie attacked when many punks of the 70's wore swastikas as well, such as Johnny Thunders (R.I.P), Dee Dee Ramone (R.I.P), The Dead Boys, Sid Vicious (R.I.P.) Captain Sensible and many, many more... So what's the deal?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.124.180 ( talk) 04:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
User:212.234.92.35 has removed this image as being "too awful". I disagree - it's not a great image but I think it is very far from being so awful that it's better to have nothing at all (as an aside, it is GFDL licensed). Rather than getting into a revert war, I seek the opinions of others. Is it worth having? -- Stormie 03:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
there's no problem with records sleeves 'cse every artist page has got a discography page with albums & singles reproducing the pictures of the sleeves. if you start this policy here, I'm afraid you'd have to erase all the discography pictures pages on the wikipedia site. User:212.234.92.35 18 july 2007
This is already policy, and nothing new being started here. You can see it in examples 16 and 17 here, WP:NONFREE#Examples_of_unacceptable_use. Wikipedia has a strong preference for free rather than copyrighted images, because under direction from the Foundation we are a part of, we try to make the articles as freely reusable as possible, not just here but on other websites. Copyrighted pictures cannot always be used on other sites, so whenever there is another picture that will do we use that one. As a band that is still active (sort of), anyone who wants to get a totally free picture can take a photo of them at a concert or a publicity event, and more than likely there are some out there already. Therefore, instead of using the record album cover photo we should look for a free image. Most artists do not have album covers as their main picture, and that is allowable only under specific circumstances. Artist discographies are usually lower in the page, and they can and are being erased under the policy. That's the reason in a nutshell. The Parsnip! 23:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, so there have been some reverts made regarding whether we should say Steve Jones "insulted" Bill Grundy, or that he called him a "dirty fucker". Can people put forward their arguments here, rather than reverting and discussing via edit summaries?
Personally, looking over the transcript at Bill Grundy, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that Grundy "..tried to flirt with her. In reaction, Pistols guitarist Steve Jones called him a "dirty fucker"". Jones' reaction to Grundy's flirting was to call him a "dirty sod" and a "dirty old man" - the "dirty fucker" and "fucking rotter" insults only came after further goading by Grundy. So, while I'm perfectly happy to have offensive language reproduced in this article (per WP:NOTCENSORED), I just don't think it's factually correct in this case. -- Stormie ( talk) 00:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Since consensus can change and User:Carliertwo is the only editor who insists on adding in all the irrelevant and too detailed information whilst other editors have not reverted the changes, it is clear that the consensus has changed. If Carliertwo can build a new consensus here to show that information should be re-added I will happily back down. -- JD554 ( talk) 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring on this point. With multiple editors opposing its inclusion -- I don't think the sourcing is solid enough, and it really is trivia -- and the objection about it having nothing to with musical influence is well taken. If it were only my objection, I'd drop the point, but with two editors opposed and only you supporting, you should make the case for your content here and try to gain consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 17:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of consistancy we must choose either Sioux or Siouxsie and use it throughout the article. May we have a consensus? I'd like the input of other editors. I for one support Siouxsie. It is basically what she's called in most interviews and reviews.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 12:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I am rather baffled by this edit. I created that hatnote explicitly because I was confused about these two singers. Despite their spellings, their names are pronounced identically, and it is unlikely that I will be the last person confused between the two. I am going to place the hatnote back, and would appreciate some discussion before it is removed again. Thank you. 98.71.223.84 ( talk) 22:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Reading this in conjunction with Siouxsie and the Banshees#Legacy and influence, there seems to be a lot of duplication - of more concern is that much of the material in this article is artists referencing the band. I think that only those quotes that are directly noting Sioux's specific contribution to the band, singing and stage presence and maybe lyrics, or contemporary culture, style and attitude, should be kept. Any comment that references the band or its music properly stays only in the band article, since the music was mostly a collaborative and joint effort which is acknowledged by the credits on the records. Unless there are sources which clearly define Sioux's individual contribution to the general comments regarding SatB (or The Creatures, but I may have missed those) I shall be removing them in a short while. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 13:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently, there is no dominant English variant in the article. Some editors have used American English, and some have used British English. Therefore, I propose to standardise the article and use British English throughout, due to Siouxsie's strong national ties with England. Any objections? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is loaded top to bottom with original research and unverified claims. It is very much lacking in sources. I will begin removing unsourced claims if they are not sourced. Night Ranger ( talk) 02:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I saw her in concert in the 1980s and have "known" her surname to be Dallion for a quarter of a century, until 3 minutes ago.
The article should still mention that she was long known by an incorrect name, if that is really the case.
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So... According to imdb and one another website, she's been married to a guy named Patrick Clarke since 2007. Is that accurate, or was there just a mix up? (Since Budgie's real name is Peter Clarke). Le Rusecue ( talk) 04:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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Retrohead, Carliertwo has been active in the article lately, and just had the dismaying experience of dealing with now-indeffed PapaJeckloy as the GAN reviewer in the GA1, before the review was taken away from him and the nomination put back in pool. (PapaJeckloy was indefinitely blocked a couple of days ago for sockpuppeting and other disruptive activities.) Since the article had taken six months to get to the point of being reviewed, I was wondering whether you'd be willing to give this another chance—in particular, to give Carliertwo the opportunity to give you that swift response you were hoping for, and to work on the issues you've raised above. Thank you for your consideration. BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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"Her mother, Betty, was a bilingual half-Scots and half-English secretary,"
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I am placing a hatnote here to clarify that this singer is not another singer. I see that the other singer already has a hatnote, and it makes sense to me that this one as well. After all, their names are pronounced 100% identically, and someone could come across the name of this singer and wonder if it was an alternate spelling. Best to help the reader out. Un sch ool 20:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can this DailyMail source "a long interview of singer Florence Welch published in 2010 [18] citing Siouxsie Sioux as one of her references", be included in the Siouxsie article in the influence section, as an exception only for this page ? I ask this because the Daily Mail was deprecated as a reliable source for poor fact checking in their politics pages and stories in their news pages in 2017 and 2019. The interview was conducted by Louise Gannon which résumé can be found at [19]. Gannon interviewed other artists such as Mick Jagger [20] and Madonna [21]. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Louise Gannon's interview of Madonna is also available on the DM source via web.archive [22] The Florence Welch inteview DM source would be helpful for the Siouxsie article, as it is an interview of Florence Welch containing this statement :<< I'm lucky that there seems to be a massive revival in female performers. My icons were always women like Kate Bush, Stevie Nicks and Siouxsie Sioux. Who wouldn't be proud to carry o n that tradition? >>. She clearly recognized Siouxsie as an inspiration in this interview made by journalist "LOUISE GANNON FOR MAILONLINE", which was published on 14 August 2010.
This source would be an exception, only for that Siouxsie article as The Daily Mail source was deprecated as a reliable source in 2017 and in 2019 [23] after the problems of poor fact-checking regarding politics and Brexit campaign; <<Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist. As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. An edit filter should be put in place going forward to warn editors attempting to use the Daily Mail as a reference. The general themes of the support !votes centred on the Daily Mail’s reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication>>. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Support. This is an interview of a singer; it is not a fake interview of a politician. I dont think anyone should doubt the veracity of this interview. It was published in the "Culture" pages of the newspaper. Carliertwo ( talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose not solely because of the sourcing, but also because the section is already something of an examplefarm. Given the number of mentions already included, I don't think one with less reliable sourcing warrants inclusion. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:23, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
*Support - Unless something better is out there then I don't see why this shouldn't be used - This looks to be a legit interview so for this specific case I see no harm with it being used, (I will just add that my supporting shouldn't set a precedence that DM is fine as a source because it isn't however this is an interview and not the usual tabloid shite). –
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peter Fenton (guitarist) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Fenton (guitarist) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Carliertwo ( talk) 23:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I Made an edit to the SIOUXSIE SIOUX page stating that 'like her brother she is a fan of Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club. The edit was removed because the edit was unsourced. I Got this info from the following interview in THE DAILY TELEGRAPH news paper dated 25/10/2003 ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3605285/In-black-and-white.html) and also via an interview in UNCUT Magazine in September 2007 ( https://wholehoggblog.wordpress.com/tag/siouxsie-sioux/). Please can someone put in my edit as I think this is relevant information about the artist. I Do not know how to ad reference to my edits so can someone do it for me please? Thank you Bestbass42 ( talk) 09:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)