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I propose that the sub-subsection Sinking of the MV Sewol#The Sewol be split into a different article. The current article should only be about the sinking of the ship, and the background information presented should conform to the sinking. Additional information about the ship (such as the infobox, which is taking up a lot of space) is distracting as tangential information. If the ship doesn't appear to have adequate notability for a stand-alone article, I'm also fine with deleting the information that's irrelevant to the sinking. If there are no replies within 5 days, I'll be WP:BOLD and split the article. KJ Discuss? 13:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The BBC cite does indeed refer to the chief engineer being found guilty of " murder", as do many others (including Korea Herald [1]; however, many others use the broader term " homicide", eg ABC [2], Guardian [3]. Can regular editors clarify? Davidships ( talk) 12:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia and other sources the Sewol had a capacity of 6825 gross tons, but in this article this amount is specified as the weight. I find it highly improbable that a 6800 ton-ship weighs exactly that amount. Gross tons are very often, even by the media mistaken as weight measurement, so it is possible that this is the case here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dafalias ( talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Right now the article states in the section "Turn and effects (08:48):
All of this is properly sourced in Korean, which I can't read, but that's OK. However, the quoted angular velocities in radians per second seem too high, even physically impossible. Could it be that the quoted angular velocities are actually in degrees per second? That would make more sense, as all directions are in degrees too. PiusImpavidus ( talk) 15:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be mention in the Reactions section of criticism related to President Park Geun-hye's whereabouts being unknown in the seven hours or so following the event? Some hastily found sources:
http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/652176.html
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/661952.html
http://english.khan.co.kr/khan_art_view.html?artid=201410101835257&code=790101
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20161030000180
76.64.32.197 ( talk) 04:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, is it really okay to assume the gender of a ship? I don't see any feminine stuff on it that's why I'm curious. Oppashi ( talk) 09:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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This article links to a list of roll on/roll off ship incidents, but at no point in the article (that I can find, anyway, might just be my stupid) does it actually state the the MV Sewol was a roll on/roll off type ferry. I don't want to edit the article to say that it was, because I don't know that it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WasBrendanDoyle ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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I removed our section on the "underwater stream" alternative theory because it was just sourced to a 30-page self-published "book" on Amazon by non-notable "independent investigator" Dmitry Verkhoturov with no indication it ever went any further than that. That doesn't even come close to meeting the notability requirements even for an "obsolete theory." - Elmer Clark ( talk) 21:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Previous was "During this time, Park was crying, as she was taken aback by the sudden incident; this lasted until at least 9:06 a.m.", which I revised to "During this time, Park was crying, as she was startled by the sudden incident; this lasted until at least 9:06 a.m." Please advise if this minor change causes any discomfort. Cheers. H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 12:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Sewol ferry tragedy all story 111.119.183.35 ( talk) 17:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
juat seems incredibly dishonest and misleading to leave that out, but it is fitting with wikis general bootlicking. 2001:56A:7D81:BF00:83AA:85A0:F296:CD0B ( talk) 11:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
In the article, it is mentioned that the vessel reached angular velocity of 2 radians per second, which cannot be correct. A full round is 6.3 radians. I cannot verify the source to the given numbers, since it is in Korean, but I suppose degrees per second is the correct unit. Atteaalto ( talk) 08:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
While we didn't get to launch any water craft to aid in rescue efforts, we did have a helicopter divert as soon as it happened, with another joining after about half an hour. The first arriving at 09:02 and the second at 09:28. Just in time to get harassed by the KCG. It wasn't just fishing boats. We helped rescued 16 before the South Korean Navy forced us to leave and stand-by with our Johnsons in our hands while they fouled this up gloriously and got sailors killed. Get your facts right. I got called on the carpet over this bs. Off-Handed Barrel ( talk) 16:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The article says "The regular captain of Sewol, Captain Shin, had warned Chonghaejin about the decrease in stability and attributed it to the removal of the side ramp". This sounds like the "side ramp" should have been discussed earlier in the article, but I can't see anything about it. (The word "ramp" only appears once in the article) KarenSutherland ( talk) 18:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that the sub-subsection Sinking of the MV Sewol#The Sewol be split into a different article. The current article should only be about the sinking of the ship, and the background information presented should conform to the sinking. Additional information about the ship (such as the infobox, which is taking up a lot of space) is distracting as tangential information. If the ship doesn't appear to have adequate notability for a stand-alone article, I'm also fine with deleting the information that's irrelevant to the sinking. If there are no replies within 5 days, I'll be WP:BOLD and split the article. KJ Discuss? 13:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The BBC cite does indeed refer to the chief engineer being found guilty of " murder", as do many others (including Korea Herald [1]; however, many others use the broader term " homicide", eg ABC [2], Guardian [3]. Can regular editors clarify? Davidships ( talk) 12:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia and other sources the Sewol had a capacity of 6825 gross tons, but in this article this amount is specified as the weight. I find it highly improbable that a 6800 ton-ship weighs exactly that amount. Gross tons are very often, even by the media mistaken as weight measurement, so it is possible that this is the case here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dafalias ( talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Right now the article states in the section "Turn and effects (08:48):
All of this is properly sourced in Korean, which I can't read, but that's OK. However, the quoted angular velocities in radians per second seem too high, even physically impossible. Could it be that the quoted angular velocities are actually in degrees per second? That would make more sense, as all directions are in degrees too. PiusImpavidus ( talk) 15:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be mention in the Reactions section of criticism related to President Park Geun-hye's whereabouts being unknown in the seven hours or so following the event? Some hastily found sources:
http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/652176.html
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/661952.html
http://english.khan.co.kr/khan_art_view.html?artid=201410101835257&code=790101
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20161030000180
76.64.32.197 ( talk) 04:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, is it really okay to assume the gender of a ship? I don't see any feminine stuff on it that's why I'm curious. Oppashi ( talk) 09:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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This article links to a list of roll on/roll off ship incidents, but at no point in the article (that I can find, anyway, might just be my stupid) does it actually state the the MV Sewol was a roll on/roll off type ferry. I don't want to edit the article to say that it was, because I don't know that it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WasBrendanDoyle ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sinking of MV Conception which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 00:04, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
I removed our section on the "underwater stream" alternative theory because it was just sourced to a 30-page self-published "book" on Amazon by non-notable "independent investigator" Dmitry Verkhoturov with no indication it ever went any further than that. That doesn't even come close to meeting the notability requirements even for an "obsolete theory." - Elmer Clark ( talk) 21:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Previous was "During this time, Park was crying, as she was taken aback by the sudden incident; this lasted until at least 9:06 a.m.", which I revised to "During this time, Park was crying, as she was startled by the sudden incident; this lasted until at least 9:06 a.m." Please advise if this minor change causes any discomfort. Cheers. H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 12:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Sewol ferry tragedy all story 111.119.183.35 ( talk) 17:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
juat seems incredibly dishonest and misleading to leave that out, but it is fitting with wikis general bootlicking. 2001:56A:7D81:BF00:83AA:85A0:F296:CD0B ( talk) 11:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
In the article, it is mentioned that the vessel reached angular velocity of 2 radians per second, which cannot be correct. A full round is 6.3 radians. I cannot verify the source to the given numbers, since it is in Korean, but I suppose degrees per second is the correct unit. Atteaalto ( talk) 08:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
While we didn't get to launch any water craft to aid in rescue efforts, we did have a helicopter divert as soon as it happened, with another joining after about half an hour. The first arriving at 09:02 and the second at 09:28. Just in time to get harassed by the KCG. It wasn't just fishing boats. We helped rescued 16 before the South Korean Navy forced us to leave and stand-by with our Johnsons in our hands while they fouled this up gloriously and got sailors killed. Get your facts right. I got called on the carpet over this bs. Off-Handed Barrel ( talk) 16:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The article says "The regular captain of Sewol, Captain Shin, had warned Chonghaejin about the decrease in stability and attributed it to the removal of the side ramp". This sounds like the "side ramp" should have been discussed earlier in the article, but I can't see anything about it. (The word "ramp" only appears once in the article) KarenSutherland ( talk) 18:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)