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Single Action Mounted Shooting is a not-for-profit charitable corporation and not to be confused (or merged) with the generic sport of "cowboy action shooting" or other for-profit mounted shooting and cowboy themed organizations such as CMSA, MSA, and SASS. The terms "Single Action Mounted Shooting", "S.A.M.S.", and "SAMS Cowboys", SAMSCowboys.com, among others, are trademarks of the corporation.
Clearly the person who made the suggestion to merge this article is uninformed of the sport and the organization. Any inquires can be directed to ********, President of S.A.M.S., ********* or email to ************
As Wikipedia warns, don't add anything that you don't want mercilessly modified! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.154.176 ( talk) 00:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
As I suspected: This article is similar in basic structure to Formula One Racing: History, description, major people who helped the sport, basic rules - plus they list major events - Guess our major events should be listed but it is on the website. This SAMS article is also similar to NASCAR. It is not an advertisement but an article describing the sport, history, major people in the sport, etc, etc... The sport of Mounted shooting in all it's forms and rules is NOT similar to Cowboy Action shooting who fire live ammo, not similar to SuperHorse events which MS is only one-third of (SuperHorse has less than 50 participants per year. Mounted Shooting has over 5000). It is also not similar to Xtreme Cowboy competitions, who run horses over 20 different obstacles. It is also not similar to Dressage, Hunter-Jumper, jousting, mounted archery, or rodeo or any other equine sports.
References added. Minor maintenance. Removal of Wikispam projects, etc
Merging articles: Against. Reasons: Single Action Mounted Shooting is a not for profit corporation where Cowboy Action Shooting is a generic term for a type of shooting sport. 66.236.143.130 ( talk) 21:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
There does not seem to be any benefit of having this non-profit-charitable organization information page being hijacked by this wikiproject. The "importance" rating and other "status" levels are arbitrary and subject to interpretation. High importance pages may or may not get more traffic and low importance pages will be lost in a mixed of unnecessary and confusing levels and ratings. No one who is researching Laminitis, for example, is going to care how many pretty pictures of horses their are - they are going to want to see facts, x-rays, drawings, and read information about the problem and how to cure it. Whether or not that page is part of a wikiproject or is rated HIGH or LOW or whatever is immaterial to the person who's horse is lame. I hate to see wikipedia facebooked or myspaced-out. This is not a popularity contest. It is a source of facts and information, linked externally to reputable sources such as national organizations, research groups, universities, governmental and NG organizations, etc.
That's RIGHT! YOU do not own the articles. Other projects REQUEST that articles be placed into a project. They do not FORCE it to be part of the project. I find the best way to get help is to politely ask for it, not demand that people do as I say or force them into it. Additionally the more I look around Wikipedia about subjects that I have a very good knowledge of I find that Wikipedia is full of opinions and ignorance (meaning "lack of knowledge") and basically myspace and facebook crap. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a self-referenced op'ed website with "It's true because it says it is true." 70.189.154.176 ( talk) 16:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess I need to create another wikipedia page called the History of Mounted Shooting, Cite examples from medieval and military sources, cite the newspaper articles already linked externally, copy and paste from 5 and 10 year old emails about Nevada and Vegas and Pony Express events into the article. And then link that page to this page? When does it end? There seems to be a lot of Bosses around here telling the lone worker what to do, but not how to do it! How about some of those Bosses do some of the work as a learning-experience? They can feel empowered-to-succeed in leading-by-example to support the long-term-growth of the realized-success of the informational-distribution-network that is the embodiment of that essential-existence in Wikipedia! HowesR1 ( talk) 20:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Due to excessive harassment from an unnamed editor the Non-Profit Organization of Single Action Mounted Shooting board of directors held an emergency meeting in which it was decided to actively split off the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Sport section to a new article and remove the heavily Sport aspect of SAMS from this article. This will allow this article to have a more balanced view of the Charitable businesses activities and history and allow the SPORT side to be regulated by editors who are competitors and others who are knowledgeable of the sport. It was also decided that because the Non-profit corporation is not exclusively equine based, in fact horses are only a minor part of our activities, that SAMS will be removed from the Equine Project. This will also (hopefully) help to alleviate the on-going harassment of one particular editor. With these changes, a Wikipedia editor should transfer the majority of this talk page over to the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Article so that it can follow that article, instead of remaining here to confuse readers of the discussion. Future decisions will be made on continuing with the Firearms project. These decisions are the Final Actions of the SAMS Board of Directors. If Wikipedia should chose to delete this article completely - That will certainly prove beneficial to the SAMS Corporation as it will decisively remove any opportunity for the harassing editor to continue his destruction. So be it this date and signed: HowesR1 ( talk) 17:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It is the decision of the SAMS Board of Directors to have this article deleted. Sufficient time has been given to discussion and no one cares. Good enough. The article has been roundly attacked by one particular person who refuses to go away, until he gets his way. He wins! No one wants to fight his inflated ego any longer! I will delete the entire content until such time as an administrator deletes the article. Harassment will not longer be tolerated. HowesR1 ( talk) 23:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Blanked (hopefully) for discussion of relevance of comments to the new article Cowboy Mounted Shooting and the split from the SAMS article. HowesR1 ( talk) 19:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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I'm proposing that this article be merged into the "Cowboy Action Shooting" article. Please join the discussion, not here, but at Talk:Cowboy Mounted Shooting#Merger proposal. — Mudwater ( Talk) 12:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I am deeply troubled by the false accusations of "harassment" that have been raised against me on this page. I have restored my comments because I think they speak for themselves. At no time have I attempted to "own" this article, rather the opposite has been true. I initially tried to provide some information on formatting, tone, sourcing, and wikipedia policies and guidelines. Yet, I have been viciously attacked and my motives questioned by a single editor who seems to be staking out this corner of wikipedia to promote his own organization. This disturbs me deeply. Per WP:WWIN, this is not a place for a free web site, wikipedia is an encyclopedia. WIkipedia cannot be controlled by any single person or editor, nor have I tried to do so here. I have mostly been trying to help improve the quality of an article that falls within the scope of WPEQ, only to have my motives questioned and my actions misunderstood. I have an extensive track record on wikipedia and I believe I have been more than patient here. Montanabw (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
It may be a moot point but I've
Hope that helps. ++ Lar: t/ c 14:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 17 July 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was merge to Cowboy Mounted Shooting. |
![]() | This redirect does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||
|
Single Action Mounted Shooting is a not-for-profit charitable corporation and not to be confused (or merged) with the generic sport of "cowboy action shooting" or other for-profit mounted shooting and cowboy themed organizations such as CMSA, MSA, and SASS. The terms "Single Action Mounted Shooting", "S.A.M.S.", and "SAMS Cowboys", SAMSCowboys.com, among others, are trademarks of the corporation.
Clearly the person who made the suggestion to merge this article is uninformed of the sport and the organization. Any inquires can be directed to ********, President of S.A.M.S., ********* or email to ************
As Wikipedia warns, don't add anything that you don't want mercilessly modified! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.154.176 ( talk) 00:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
As I suspected: This article is similar in basic structure to Formula One Racing: History, description, major people who helped the sport, basic rules - plus they list major events - Guess our major events should be listed but it is on the website. This SAMS article is also similar to NASCAR. It is not an advertisement but an article describing the sport, history, major people in the sport, etc, etc... The sport of Mounted shooting in all it's forms and rules is NOT similar to Cowboy Action shooting who fire live ammo, not similar to SuperHorse events which MS is only one-third of (SuperHorse has less than 50 participants per year. Mounted Shooting has over 5000). It is also not similar to Xtreme Cowboy competitions, who run horses over 20 different obstacles. It is also not similar to Dressage, Hunter-Jumper, jousting, mounted archery, or rodeo or any other equine sports.
References added. Minor maintenance. Removal of Wikispam projects, etc
Merging articles: Against. Reasons: Single Action Mounted Shooting is a not for profit corporation where Cowboy Action Shooting is a generic term for a type of shooting sport. 66.236.143.130 ( talk) 21:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
There does not seem to be any benefit of having this non-profit-charitable organization information page being hijacked by this wikiproject. The "importance" rating and other "status" levels are arbitrary and subject to interpretation. High importance pages may or may not get more traffic and low importance pages will be lost in a mixed of unnecessary and confusing levels and ratings. No one who is researching Laminitis, for example, is going to care how many pretty pictures of horses their are - they are going to want to see facts, x-rays, drawings, and read information about the problem and how to cure it. Whether or not that page is part of a wikiproject or is rated HIGH or LOW or whatever is immaterial to the person who's horse is lame. I hate to see wikipedia facebooked or myspaced-out. This is not a popularity contest. It is a source of facts and information, linked externally to reputable sources such as national organizations, research groups, universities, governmental and NG organizations, etc.
That's RIGHT! YOU do not own the articles. Other projects REQUEST that articles be placed into a project. They do not FORCE it to be part of the project. I find the best way to get help is to politely ask for it, not demand that people do as I say or force them into it. Additionally the more I look around Wikipedia about subjects that I have a very good knowledge of I find that Wikipedia is full of opinions and ignorance (meaning "lack of knowledge") and basically myspace and facebook crap. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a self-referenced op'ed website with "It's true because it says it is true." 70.189.154.176 ( talk) 16:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess I need to create another wikipedia page called the History of Mounted Shooting, Cite examples from medieval and military sources, cite the newspaper articles already linked externally, copy and paste from 5 and 10 year old emails about Nevada and Vegas and Pony Express events into the article. And then link that page to this page? When does it end? There seems to be a lot of Bosses around here telling the lone worker what to do, but not how to do it! How about some of those Bosses do some of the work as a learning-experience? They can feel empowered-to-succeed in leading-by-example to support the long-term-growth of the realized-success of the informational-distribution-network that is the embodiment of that essential-existence in Wikipedia! HowesR1 ( talk) 20:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Due to excessive harassment from an unnamed editor the Non-Profit Organization of Single Action Mounted Shooting board of directors held an emergency meeting in which it was decided to actively split off the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Sport section to a new article and remove the heavily Sport aspect of SAMS from this article. This will allow this article to have a more balanced view of the Charitable businesses activities and history and allow the SPORT side to be regulated by editors who are competitors and others who are knowledgeable of the sport. It was also decided that because the Non-profit corporation is not exclusively equine based, in fact horses are only a minor part of our activities, that SAMS will be removed from the Equine Project. This will also (hopefully) help to alleviate the on-going harassment of one particular editor. With these changes, a Wikipedia editor should transfer the majority of this talk page over to the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Article so that it can follow that article, instead of remaining here to confuse readers of the discussion. Future decisions will be made on continuing with the Firearms project. These decisions are the Final Actions of the SAMS Board of Directors. If Wikipedia should chose to delete this article completely - That will certainly prove beneficial to the SAMS Corporation as it will decisively remove any opportunity for the harassing editor to continue his destruction. So be it this date and signed: HowesR1 ( talk) 17:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It is the decision of the SAMS Board of Directors to have this article deleted. Sufficient time has been given to discussion and no one cares. Good enough. The article has been roundly attacked by one particular person who refuses to go away, until he gets his way. He wins! No one wants to fight his inflated ego any longer! I will delete the entire content until such time as an administrator deletes the article. Harassment will not longer be tolerated. HowesR1 ( talk) 23:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Blanked (hopefully) for discussion of relevance of comments to the new article Cowboy Mounted Shooting and the split from the SAMS article. HowesR1 ( talk) 19:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This page has been blanked as a courtesy. |
I'm proposing that this article be merged into the "Cowboy Action Shooting" article. Please join the discussion, not here, but at Talk:Cowboy Mounted Shooting#Merger proposal. — Mudwater ( Talk) 12:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I am deeply troubled by the false accusations of "harassment" that have been raised against me on this page. I have restored my comments because I think they speak for themselves. At no time have I attempted to "own" this article, rather the opposite has been true. I initially tried to provide some information on formatting, tone, sourcing, and wikipedia policies and guidelines. Yet, I have been viciously attacked and my motives questioned by a single editor who seems to be staking out this corner of wikipedia to promote his own organization. This disturbs me deeply. Per WP:WWIN, this is not a place for a free web site, wikipedia is an encyclopedia. WIkipedia cannot be controlled by any single person or editor, nor have I tried to do so here. I have mostly been trying to help improve the quality of an article that falls within the scope of WPEQ, only to have my motives questioned and my actions misunderstood. I have an extensive track record on wikipedia and I believe I have been more than patient here. Montanabw (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
It may be a moot point but I've
Hope that helps. ++ Lar: t/ c 14:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)