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This entire article has extremely weak sources and is heavily edited by an IP account.
Sources: 1. Ангуни, Амин: Государственность Народа Нохчий 2. Тесаев, З.А.: Симсим 3. Tesayev Z.A.: Исторические личности Чечни
These sources speak about different theories and hypothesis which even the sources themselves admit have no basis in real historical research. Their sources all come from local folk tales and hearsays. The "Государственность Народа Нохчий" source especially is nothing more but random assumptions and text which is unsourced. I propose we return this article to my original version which was more neutral. Goddard2000 ( talk) 01:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed proposal, moving per WP:RMNOMIN. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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I think there's some misspelling or formatting errors in the first paragraph — for example, was "located" meant instead of "localized"? This is what I propose changing it to:
'''Simsim''' ({{lang-fa|سیمسیم}}) was a Chechen kingdom in the [[North Caucasus]] during the [[Middle Ages]], existing in the 14th century. It was predominately located roughly in Eastern [[Chechnya]] ([[History of Chechnya#Ichkeria|Ichkeria]]), with some parts also connecting to {{ill|Kumyk Plain|ru|Кумыкская плоскость}}. Simsim is also located in both Chechnya and [[Ingushetia]]. Its name may have been derived from the Chechen village of {{ill|lt=Simsir|Simsir (Village)|ru|Симсир (Чечня)}}. However, according to folklore the King [[Gayur-khan]] was chosen as the leader of all Chechens by the Mehk-Khel (National Council). In its later years it allied itself with the [[Golden Horde]] before [[Timurid invasion of Simsim|being destroyed in 1395]] by [[Timurlane]], which was recorded in [[Zafarnama (Shami biography)|''Zafarnama'']] by [[Nizam al-Din Shami]] and the [[Zafarnama (Yazdi biography)|''Zafarnama'']] by [[Sharaf ad-Din Ali Yazdi]].
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In the infobox, please remove Azerbaijan and Georgia, added in this edit by Swalors and in apparent conflict with the intro. I have checked the article history and find only mention of an alliance with Georgia. (My attention was drawn by its being lowercase in the infobox, [[Georgia (country)|georgia]], but looking at the history, the two additions are better reverted and there can be discussion here. Yngvadottir ( talk) 22:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Earlier versions of this article listed Orthodox Christianity in the infobox: last removed on 1 October, leaving Sunni Islam and Vainakh religion. In April, Islam was listed as the official religion, Christianity and Vainakh religion as folk religions. I came here from Timurid invasion of Simsim, where I removed mention of churches because the Vainakh religion was the only religion specified in the text there. This article currently states that Gayur Khan ( Khour Ela, Khour II) was Christian and that his son was converted by Timur to Islam, but otherwise does not specify religion. There should be mention of the religions in the Society section, but I can't suggest an edit because I can't read the sources. Yngvadottir ( talk) 22:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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This entire article has extremely weak sources and is heavily edited by an IP account.
Sources: 1. Ангуни, Амин: Государственность Народа Нохчий 2. Тесаев, З.А.: Симсим 3. Tesayev Z.A.: Исторические личности Чечни
These sources speak about different theories and hypothesis which even the sources themselves admit have no basis in real historical research. Their sources all come from local folk tales and hearsays. The "Государственность Народа Нохчий" source especially is nothing more but random assumptions and text which is unsourced. I propose we return this article to my original version which was more neutral. Goddard2000 ( talk) 01:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed proposal, moving per WP:RMNOMIN. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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I think there's some misspelling or formatting errors in the first paragraph — for example, was "located" meant instead of "localized"? This is what I propose changing it to:
'''Simsim''' ({{lang-fa|سیمسیم}}) was a Chechen kingdom in the [[North Caucasus]] during the [[Middle Ages]], existing in the 14th century. It was predominately located roughly in Eastern [[Chechnya]] ([[History of Chechnya#Ichkeria|Ichkeria]]), with some parts also connecting to {{ill|Kumyk Plain|ru|Кумыкская плоскость}}. Simsim is also located in both Chechnya and [[Ingushetia]]. Its name may have been derived from the Chechen village of {{ill|lt=Simsir|Simsir (Village)|ru|Симсир (Чечня)}}. However, according to folklore the King [[Gayur-khan]] was chosen as the leader of all Chechens by the Mehk-Khel (National Council). In its later years it allied itself with the [[Golden Horde]] before [[Timurid invasion of Simsim|being destroyed in 1395]] by [[Timurlane]], which was recorded in [[Zafarnama (Shami biography)|''Zafarnama'']] by [[Nizam al-Din Shami]] and the [[Zafarnama (Yazdi biography)|''Zafarnama'']] by [[Sharaf ad-Din Ali Yazdi]].
LOOKSQUARE ( 👤️· 🗨️) talk 21:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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In the infobox, please remove Azerbaijan and Georgia, added in this edit by Swalors and in apparent conflict with the intro. I have checked the article history and find only mention of an alliance with Georgia. (My attention was drawn by its being lowercase in the infobox, [[Georgia (country)|georgia]], but looking at the history, the two additions are better reverted and there can be discussion here. Yngvadottir ( talk) 22:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Earlier versions of this article listed Orthodox Christianity in the infobox: last removed on 1 October, leaving Sunni Islam and Vainakh religion. In April, Islam was listed as the official religion, Christianity and Vainakh religion as folk religions. I came here from Timurid invasion of Simsim, where I removed mention of churches because the Vainakh religion was the only religion specified in the text there. This article currently states that Gayur Khan ( Khour Ela, Khour II) was Christian and that his son was converted by Timur to Islam, but otherwise does not specify religion. There should be mention of the religions in the Society section, but I can't suggest an edit because I can't read the sources. Yngvadottir ( talk) 22:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)