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I haven't seen anywhere
Maybe I'm under the wrong impression since I have seen many different ways to spell the words out in Simran
Those words are merely interpretations of concepts that branch out from simran in Sikhism. For example: 'onkar' (written as 'ek onkar' or ੴ ) refers to 'One God' or the 'ultimate truth'. 'Satnam' literally means 'true name,' referring to realizing the one true being (name), that truth through meditation. However, this term is also used an a name where it holds a similar significance. 12321v ( talk) 08:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The words have no spiritual benefit until a devotee is initiated into Nam Bhakti by a Perfect Master. Similar to a bullet not loaded into the barrel of a gun, it has no effective value for its purpose. I have seen the words which are typically misspelled in a few other forums and I wouldn't want to be the one who posted them. Any path one chooses should be taken seriously and and the wishes of one's Master should be honored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.21.77 ( talk) 01:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Simran(sanskrit word) → Simran — The word primarily refers to this. The only other article by the same name is that of an actress which is parenthesized, both of which are well listed in the disambiguation page. ("Simran" was the title of this page, but was blatantly moved by a supposedly movie buff user who cited a personal opinion that its gets confused with the actress - see Move Log ) Arjun codename024 06:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- Support We already treat this as the primary topic ( Simran redirects to Simran(sanskrit word)). No need for disambiguation, and there is a hatnote for anyone confused. In any case, if the article was to stay at the present title it should be Simran (sanskrit word) or Simran (Sanskrit word), with correct spacing (and possibly capitalisation). Basically, the editor who moved it made a right hash of it! Skinsmoke ( talk) 10:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- Support - why cannot "
Simran (actress)" be located at
Simran Bagga, as in "
List of awards and nominations received by Simran Bagga"? Beyond these two uses, I have found a number of other Simrans -
Simran Sethi,
Simran Kaurand Simran Kaur Mundi so the dab page needs updating. Green Giant ( talk) 01:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC) - Info I have made Simran into a disambig page. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Move to Simran (Punjabi word) would be better. The Sanskrit word is smaraɳa: read the article. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Why has this article been moved from
Simran(sanskrit word) and a dab page been created without this discussion being closed properly?
Green Giant (
talk)
15:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It appears someone was just correcting the formatting of the title, probably without knowing that this move discussion was going on. No harm done, it seems. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
20:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Correct on both counts :-) -- even if the outcome of the discussion is that the Sanskrit word is the primary topic, the old title will remain as a redirect, and it ought to be formatted correctly. (Having said that, although the concept of "primary topic" is mentioned above in this section, I don't see anyone really providing anything other than their subjective personal opinions about what is primary, and no references to the actual guideline for determining this.) -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 20:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- I wasn't objecting to you moving the article, just that the discussion has been here 10 days and I was expecting an admin to close it sometime soon.
Green Giant (
talk)
22:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It's cool; I didn't move it anyway. :) I figure I'll close this one in a bit. I'm wondering if the dab page should be moved to Simran (name), since all the uses of it, other than this article, are as a name. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It appears someone was just correcting the formatting of the title, probably without knowing that this move discussion was going on. No harm done, it seems. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
20:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Move to
Simran (Punjabi word). The Sanskrit word is smaraɳa: read the first paragraph of the article.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk)
06:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I read your comment above (as well as that first paragraph). Why not move to Simran, and then move the dab page to Simran (name)? - GTBacchus( talk) 16:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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Although eleveted Masters most of the time ask their disciples not to divulg the names received , this is more a question of politeness / discretion than of transferring poàwers comprised in a mantra(m) A real spiritual Guru or SatGuru can put his own pPower c q wisdom c q awakening in the Simran words. The words themselves without being received from such a source have zero power. A High Sat Guru Saint could easily tell a disciple to repeat: Nissa, Coca Cola, Wallstreet, Pendjap, Ram and IT WILL WORK. In between of corse there are devotional Songs or repetitions which work somewhat in relation with the spiritual degree of the praying person c q a priest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.210.214.82 ( talk) 16:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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I haven't seen anywhere
Maybe I'm under the wrong impression since I have seen many different ways to spell the words out in Simran
Those words are merely interpretations of concepts that branch out from simran in Sikhism. For example: 'onkar' (written as 'ek onkar' or ੴ ) refers to 'One God' or the 'ultimate truth'. 'Satnam' literally means 'true name,' referring to realizing the one true being (name), that truth through meditation. However, this term is also used an a name where it holds a similar significance. 12321v ( talk) 08:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The words have no spiritual benefit until a devotee is initiated into Nam Bhakti by a Perfect Master. Similar to a bullet not loaded into the barrel of a gun, it has no effective value for its purpose. I have seen the words which are typically misspelled in a few other forums and I wouldn't want to be the one who posted them. Any path one chooses should be taken seriously and and the wishes of one's Master should be honored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.21.77 ( talk) 01:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Simran(sanskrit word) → Simran — The word primarily refers to this. The only other article by the same name is that of an actress which is parenthesized, both of which are well listed in the disambiguation page. ("Simran" was the title of this page, but was blatantly moved by a supposedly movie buff user who cited a personal opinion that its gets confused with the actress - see Move Log ) Arjun codename024 06:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- Support We already treat this as the primary topic ( Simran redirects to Simran(sanskrit word)). No need for disambiguation, and there is a hatnote for anyone confused. In any case, if the article was to stay at the present title it should be Simran (sanskrit word) or Simran (Sanskrit word), with correct spacing (and possibly capitalisation). Basically, the editor who moved it made a right hash of it! Skinsmoke ( talk) 10:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- Support - why cannot "
Simran (actress)" be located at
Simran Bagga, as in "
List of awards and nominations received by Simran Bagga"? Beyond these two uses, I have found a number of other Simrans -
Simran Sethi,
Simran Kaurand Simran Kaur Mundi so the dab page needs updating. Green Giant ( talk) 01:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC) - Info I have made Simran into a disambig page. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Move to Simran (Punjabi word) would be better. The Sanskrit word is smaraɳa: read the article. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Why has this article been moved from
Simran(sanskrit word) and a dab page been created without this discussion being closed properly?
Green Giant (
talk)
15:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It appears someone was just correcting the formatting of the title, probably without knowing that this move discussion was going on. No harm done, it seems. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
20:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Correct on both counts :-) -- even if the outcome of the discussion is that the Sanskrit word is the primary topic, the old title will remain as a redirect, and it ought to be formatted correctly. (Having said that, although the concept of "primary topic" is mentioned above in this section, I don't see anyone really providing anything other than their subjective personal opinions about what is primary, and no references to the actual guideline for determining this.) -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 20:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- I wasn't objecting to you moving the article, just that the discussion has been here 10 days and I was expecting an admin to close it sometime soon.
Green Giant (
talk)
22:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It's cool; I didn't move it anyway. :) I figure I'll close this one in a bit. I'm wondering if the dab page should be moved to Simran (name), since all the uses of it, other than this article, are as a name. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- It appears someone was just correcting the formatting of the title, probably without knowing that this move discussion was going on. No harm done, it seems. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
20:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Move to
Simran (Punjabi word). The Sanskrit word is smaraɳa: read the first paragraph of the article.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk)
06:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I read your comment above (as well as that first paragraph). Why not move to Simran, and then move the dab page to Simran (name)? - GTBacchus( talk) 16:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Although eleveted Masters most of the time ask their disciples not to divulg the names received , this is more a question of politeness / discretion than of transferring poàwers comprised in a mantra(m) A real spiritual Guru or SatGuru can put his own pPower c q wisdom c q awakening in the Simran words. The words themselves without being received from such a source have zero power. A High Sat Guru Saint could easily tell a disciple to repeat: Nissa, Coca Cola, Wallstreet, Pendjap, Ram and IT WILL WORK. In between of corse there are devotional Songs or repetitions which work somewhat in relation with the spiritual degree of the praying person c q a priest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.210.214.82 ( talk) 16:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)