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Can someone with who knows and understands gymnastics well please clarify what the article means by "began her career" in 2011? Was it the start of her career in elite competitions? Is there another name for the competition system she entered? I'm just looking for some detail that will clarify what counts as the start of a career because it sounds like she did some sort of competitions before that. Thank you! Knope7 ( talk) 00:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
This Buzzfeed piece has a lot of great information which I think can be integrated into this article. Also just worth a read if you're interested in Simone Biles. Knope7 ( talk) 01:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I know the new picture is more recent, but I think the previous picture was better. Any chance we could use the previous pic in the info on and maybe move the current pic to 2016? Knope7 ( talk) 14:59, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
When the article was very young, it said, with a reference, that she attended a particular high school; yet now it says she was home-schooled. It seems that some-thing isn't right. Kdammers ( talk) 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Can someone who is able to edit the article please add the following sentence in the the 2016 Rio Olympics section?
Biles' performances were widely hailed as the greatest ever. [1]
I just think that is a pretty important opinion to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.71.234 ( talk) 05:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Whomever is responsible for editing this Wikipedia pages, would they please double-check the facts on the comment made that Nastia Lukin and Shannon Miller are the only two other Americans to have won five Olympic medals at a Summer Olympic ceremony. The reason is because Mary Lou Retton did accomplish this feat as well, despite it being a boycotted Olympics by the Russians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8100:1895:F4A3:C422:8B60:EB7D ( talk) 19:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Please discuss the issue of which medals should be included here rather than continuing to revert the article. I know project gymnastics has a consensus on this, but if anyone would like to elaborate, please feel free to do so. Knope7 ( talk) 00:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
The fact that Simone won four gold medals at Rio is a historical fact for the U.S. women's team and an exciting one. This edit: poor edit removed this edit without discussion and without providing rationale. I have restored it. There needs to be a discussion before it is removed arbitrarily again. ML ( talk) 18:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
The article refers to Simone as being part of the "Final Five" -- I came to the article to understand what the term means, and found that it is not explained here. I think this might be an interesting expansion of the article, if someone who is knowledgeable about this wants to do so. Please ping upon any reply due to watchlist overload. Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 08:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
This shouldn't be left out. Athletes from other countries are always prejudged. At least keep it consistent. -- 2.245.102.108 ( talk) 00:44, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
she was given permission (in secret until it was leaked by hackers) to take substances that have resulted in bans for other athletes, due to adhd no less( see wikipedia article on adhd, other sources with even better scientific credibility,to see absurdity of this). only racist pro usa bias can explain non mention of that in the article . shame on wikipedia and its racist editors!
@ Etamni : like someone wrote on WADA, USA play well, but not fair. As mentioned here whether she need that in sport that also means abuse of performance-enhancing drugs. Was is state-sponsored or not, we know sport is money. Who follow sport, can easy say there is much more "ill persons" than in normal population, which needs some kind off medicals. Strange ?! Well, Lance Armstrong was also State-of-art cycler...till that day on Oprah show. Dr. Fuentes case in known in cycling very well. We have now case of Simone Biles for voting as Feautered photo, due to my comment that she is doped, new admin which is participating there few months gave me block (was he from USA or nor i dont know). Anyone blocked people who said Lance is doped - before Oprah show ? That was 10 year time. We now see Simone is taking something which increase capabilities. Allowed or nor its not Clean sport. -- PetarM ( talk) 08:32, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
The article should not state that Biles was Doping or involved in a doping acandal and can state explicitly that she didin't dope or cheat. Nevertheless it should mention the controversy and that (some) expert consider Ritalin an "unfair" advantage. As sources for that see for instance:
Also note, that this is about encyclopedic relevance and not about "fair", "unfair" or moral assessments by Wikipedians. -- Kmhkmh ( talk) 16:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC) Contraversy sections are disfavored and the current heading gives an inaccurate impression of Biles' approved use of medication. The content should be integratd without the inflamatory heading. Knope7 ( talk) 23:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Team USA says 4 ft 8 in. Whatever number we use, should have a reliable source.
Why isn’t her participation in this prominent TV show mentioned? Also there was some controversy about her having been eliminated when she had perfect scores Skysong263 ( talk) 05:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Reputable sources on this point:
This does not meet the criteria of disputed status. The "dispute" was raised by three IP editors and the editor who added the tag. The three IPs all geolocate back to the same country, only edited the University of the People page and talk page, and made negative edits directed at the university.
There needs to be more to call this a "disputed" statement. SimoneBilesStan ( talk) 16:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
blatantly falseand compare it to attending school on Mars.
fake pictures uploaded hereWould you suggest that the main image of https://simonebiles.uopeople.edu/ which appears to be Simone Biles wearing a UOPeople shirt, is actually... photoshopped? What about this video (from that same page): [1]? Leijurv ( talk) 00:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
the picture in University of the People is still photoshoppedMight you clarify which specifically? And why you conclude it's photoshopped? The only one I see looks... fine. About this computer center in Haiti thing, perhaps you could add some sourced statements to University of the People explaining this fraud? I see your link [2] but to my eyes I don't see any clear evidence of tampering in the image. On the one hand, I consider WP:LINKSINACHAIN which would suggest that if sites like CNN are just republishing a PR statement that Biles is attending this school, that lends no additional credence to the idea. But that is an "if", it needs some kind of evidence, such as a conflicting source. (or, at least, a WP:RS stating that UoPeople is fraudulent). On the other hand, I consider WP:RGW:
you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in books from reputable publishing houses. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead; we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. What we do is find neutral ways of presenting them.It comes across to me like you are convinced that UoPeople is fraudulent. And, to be honest, I wouldn't have much difficulty agreeing with you; just looking at Talk:University of the People I see COI editors all over the place. So I really do lean towards agreeing, but some kind of evidence is required, per WP:RGW WP:VNT and WP:NOR. Leijurv ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
if you know her well enough to call her by her given name without her permission, you have a COIor am I confused? Leijurv ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Modulato: I suggest we review the implication that the person behind uopeople.review is another person first.
uopeople.review was registered on June 30, 2021. You posted the site on July 1, 2021. This is not enough time for search engines to discover and index a website. This is why my searches came back empty on July 1, 2021. I made the effort to archive the search results so that a timestamp could be attached as verification.
This demonstrates that it was not possible to find the website through a search engine on July 1, 2021, and you would need to find the website through some other means.
You claim that the website used to exist on a different domain and that the other domain redirects to uopeople.review.
A person experienced with redirected old websites can tell you that the old domain will remain in the search engine results for months. This means we should be able to find some remnants of the old domain in the search engines. We can test this by taking a random sample of sentences or phrases from uopeople.review and searching for them with quotes on each end.
I performed this test with several quotes. Most of them reviewed no results beyond uopeople.review. This means the old domain existed quite some time ago or you found it by some other means.
I purposely said "most of them." I did managed to find one sentence taken from a student review on uopeople.review. The sentence was "I am currently in the process of attending another school, which needs all the transcripts, whether they take credits or not." Google found that exact statement on a Turkish web forum.
The sixth post on that page was posted on March 4, 2019. It contains an article titled, "The incredible fraud of University of the People aka UoPeople: the scam offering fake 'free' degrees online". The source for the article was evidence-based.review, but it seems the website is dead and the domain does not redirect.
It seems we are at a dead end until we start comparing the article with the uopeople.review website. I will use e for evidence-based.review and u for uopeople.review.
Office
Phone Number
Tuition and Fees
Computer Center in Haiti
United Nations
Mobile Apps
Academic Partnerships
Graduation Ceremony
MBA Accreditation
Simone Biles
The two sources cover the same topics and often use the same or very similar wording. I think a reasonable conclusion to draw from this is that the two sources were written by the same author who is simply recycling material.
We can also perform an analysis of the language from those two sources with your own language use on this talk page. I will add m for Modulato.
Fake, Fake, Fake!
UoPeople.edu
Our Intelligence, Please!
Haiti Earthquake
Haiti Images
Sponsored Articles
The implication that uopeople.review is another person is clearly false. uopeople.review is your own website. As you have said yourself, "Please quit insulting our intelligence."
I want to also add that uopeople.review does not meet the criteria for a reputable source. SimoneBilesStan ( talk) 01:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
This statement is sourced solely to American sources and there are 22 women with more Olympic medals than Biles. Don't think this massive hyperbole belongs in the opening sentences.
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There is no reason to specify "female" in this sentence. Shannon Miller and Simone Biles are the most decorated American gymnasts, no gender distinction needs to be made. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/13/769896721/simone-biles-becomes-the-most-decorated-gymnast-in-world-championship-history https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/sports/olympics/simone-biles-medal-count.html -- Jderang02 ( talk) 03:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Jderang02
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Can someone with who knows and understands gymnastics well please clarify what the article means by "began her career" in 2011? Was it the start of her career in elite competitions? Is there another name for the competition system she entered? I'm just looking for some detail that will clarify what counts as the start of a career because it sounds like she did some sort of competitions before that. Thank you! Knope7 ( talk) 00:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
This Buzzfeed piece has a lot of great information which I think can be integrated into this article. Also just worth a read if you're interested in Simone Biles. Knope7 ( talk) 01:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I know the new picture is more recent, but I think the previous picture was better. Any chance we could use the previous pic in the info on and maybe move the current pic to 2016? Knope7 ( talk) 14:59, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
When the article was very young, it said, with a reference, that she attended a particular high school; yet now it says she was home-schooled. It seems that some-thing isn't right. Kdammers ( talk) 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Can someone who is able to edit the article please add the following sentence in the the 2016 Rio Olympics section?
Biles' performances were widely hailed as the greatest ever. [1]
I just think that is a pretty important opinion to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.71.234 ( talk) 05:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Whomever is responsible for editing this Wikipedia pages, would they please double-check the facts on the comment made that Nastia Lukin and Shannon Miller are the only two other Americans to have won five Olympic medals at a Summer Olympic ceremony. The reason is because Mary Lou Retton did accomplish this feat as well, despite it being a boycotted Olympics by the Russians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8100:1895:F4A3:C422:8B60:EB7D ( talk) 19:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Please discuss the issue of which medals should be included here rather than continuing to revert the article. I know project gymnastics has a consensus on this, but if anyone would like to elaborate, please feel free to do so. Knope7 ( talk) 00:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
The fact that Simone won four gold medals at Rio is a historical fact for the U.S. women's team and an exciting one. This edit: poor edit removed this edit without discussion and without providing rationale. I have restored it. There needs to be a discussion before it is removed arbitrarily again. ML ( talk) 18:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
The article refers to Simone as being part of the "Final Five" -- I came to the article to understand what the term means, and found that it is not explained here. I think this might be an interesting expansion of the article, if someone who is knowledgeable about this wants to do so. Please ping upon any reply due to watchlist overload. Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 08:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
This shouldn't be left out. Athletes from other countries are always prejudged. At least keep it consistent. -- 2.245.102.108 ( talk) 00:44, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
she was given permission (in secret until it was leaked by hackers) to take substances that have resulted in bans for other athletes, due to adhd no less( see wikipedia article on adhd, other sources with even better scientific credibility,to see absurdity of this). only racist pro usa bias can explain non mention of that in the article . shame on wikipedia and its racist editors!
@ Etamni : like someone wrote on WADA, USA play well, but not fair. As mentioned here whether she need that in sport that also means abuse of performance-enhancing drugs. Was is state-sponsored or not, we know sport is money. Who follow sport, can easy say there is much more "ill persons" than in normal population, which needs some kind off medicals. Strange ?! Well, Lance Armstrong was also State-of-art cycler...till that day on Oprah show. Dr. Fuentes case in known in cycling very well. We have now case of Simone Biles for voting as Feautered photo, due to my comment that she is doped, new admin which is participating there few months gave me block (was he from USA or nor i dont know). Anyone blocked people who said Lance is doped - before Oprah show ? That was 10 year time. We now see Simone is taking something which increase capabilities. Allowed or nor its not Clean sport. -- PetarM ( talk) 08:32, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
The article should not state that Biles was Doping or involved in a doping acandal and can state explicitly that she didin't dope or cheat. Nevertheless it should mention the controversy and that (some) expert consider Ritalin an "unfair" advantage. As sources for that see for instance:
Also note, that this is about encyclopedic relevance and not about "fair", "unfair" or moral assessments by Wikipedians. -- Kmhkmh ( talk) 16:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC) Contraversy sections are disfavored and the current heading gives an inaccurate impression of Biles' approved use of medication. The content should be integratd without the inflamatory heading. Knope7 ( talk) 23:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Team USA says 4 ft 8 in. Whatever number we use, should have a reliable source.
Why isn’t her participation in this prominent TV show mentioned? Also there was some controversy about her having been eliminated when she had perfect scores Skysong263 ( talk) 05:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Reputable sources on this point:
This does not meet the criteria of disputed status. The "dispute" was raised by three IP editors and the editor who added the tag. The three IPs all geolocate back to the same country, only edited the University of the People page and talk page, and made negative edits directed at the university.
There needs to be more to call this a "disputed" statement. SimoneBilesStan ( talk) 16:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
blatantly falseand compare it to attending school on Mars.
fake pictures uploaded hereWould you suggest that the main image of https://simonebiles.uopeople.edu/ which appears to be Simone Biles wearing a UOPeople shirt, is actually... photoshopped? What about this video (from that same page): [1]? Leijurv ( talk) 00:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
the picture in University of the People is still photoshoppedMight you clarify which specifically? And why you conclude it's photoshopped? The only one I see looks... fine. About this computer center in Haiti thing, perhaps you could add some sourced statements to University of the People explaining this fraud? I see your link [2] but to my eyes I don't see any clear evidence of tampering in the image. On the one hand, I consider WP:LINKSINACHAIN which would suggest that if sites like CNN are just republishing a PR statement that Biles is attending this school, that lends no additional credence to the idea. But that is an "if", it needs some kind of evidence, such as a conflicting source. (or, at least, a WP:RS stating that UoPeople is fraudulent). On the other hand, I consider WP:RGW:
you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in books from reputable publishing houses. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead; we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. What we do is find neutral ways of presenting them.It comes across to me like you are convinced that UoPeople is fraudulent. And, to be honest, I wouldn't have much difficulty agreeing with you; just looking at Talk:University of the People I see COI editors all over the place. So I really do lean towards agreeing, but some kind of evidence is required, per WP:RGW WP:VNT and WP:NOR. Leijurv ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
if you know her well enough to call her by her given name without her permission, you have a COIor am I confused? Leijurv ( talk) 20:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Modulato: I suggest we review the implication that the person behind uopeople.review is another person first.
uopeople.review was registered on June 30, 2021. You posted the site on July 1, 2021. This is not enough time for search engines to discover and index a website. This is why my searches came back empty on July 1, 2021. I made the effort to archive the search results so that a timestamp could be attached as verification.
This demonstrates that it was not possible to find the website through a search engine on July 1, 2021, and you would need to find the website through some other means.
You claim that the website used to exist on a different domain and that the other domain redirects to uopeople.review.
A person experienced with redirected old websites can tell you that the old domain will remain in the search engine results for months. This means we should be able to find some remnants of the old domain in the search engines. We can test this by taking a random sample of sentences or phrases from uopeople.review and searching for them with quotes on each end.
I performed this test with several quotes. Most of them reviewed no results beyond uopeople.review. This means the old domain existed quite some time ago or you found it by some other means.
I purposely said "most of them." I did managed to find one sentence taken from a student review on uopeople.review. The sentence was "I am currently in the process of attending another school, which needs all the transcripts, whether they take credits or not." Google found that exact statement on a Turkish web forum.
The sixth post on that page was posted on March 4, 2019. It contains an article titled, "The incredible fraud of University of the People aka UoPeople: the scam offering fake 'free' degrees online". The source for the article was evidence-based.review, but it seems the website is dead and the domain does not redirect.
It seems we are at a dead end until we start comparing the article with the uopeople.review website. I will use e for evidence-based.review and u for uopeople.review.
Office
Phone Number
Tuition and Fees
Computer Center in Haiti
United Nations
Mobile Apps
Academic Partnerships
Graduation Ceremony
MBA Accreditation
Simone Biles
The two sources cover the same topics and often use the same or very similar wording. I think a reasonable conclusion to draw from this is that the two sources were written by the same author who is simply recycling material.
We can also perform an analysis of the language from those two sources with your own language use on this talk page. I will add m for Modulato.
Fake, Fake, Fake!
UoPeople.edu
Our Intelligence, Please!
Haiti Earthquake
Haiti Images
Sponsored Articles
The implication that uopeople.review is another person is clearly false. uopeople.review is your own website. As you have said yourself, "Please quit insulting our intelligence."
I want to also add that uopeople.review does not meet the criteria for a reputable source. SimoneBilesStan ( talk) 01:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
This statement is sourced solely to American sources and there are 22 women with more Olympic medals than Biles. Don't think this massive hyperbole belongs in the opening sentences.
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There is no reason to specify "female" in this sentence. Shannon Miller and Simone Biles are the most decorated American gymnasts, no gender distinction needs to be made. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/13/769896721/simone-biles-becomes-the-most-decorated-gymnast-in-world-championship-history https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/sports/olympics/simone-biles-medal-count.html -- Jderang02 ( talk) 03:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Jderang02