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This seems to be one more in a long series of articles, created to push a POV about Mongol-Christian contacts. See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance.
As originally written, the article presented Simeon Rabban Ata as a Mongol official in charge of "Christians in the Middle East". However, I do not think that this is a correct portrayal. Until things can be straightened out, I have tagged the article as disputed. -- El on ka 20:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
(followup) I went ahead and rewrote the article a bit, condensing it to the high points and trying to balance it out. What do folks think? There's definitely still more work to be done, but is it now in a state where we can at least get the "Disputed" tag off of it? -- El on ka 15:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I have an interest in Simeon Rabban-ata and access to a few secondary sources not cited here. I considered creating this article myself several months ago but decided against it: in the present climate of Franco-Mongol wishful thinking, an article on any minor figure associated with the Mongols tends to attract a specious POV. I also was not sure such an individual so poorly treated in the academic literature warranted his own article.
This article as it stands seems to me an uncritical selection of incidental historical references. I believe, however, that it can and ought to be salvaged. Simeon Rabban-ata is an interesting figure whose role in the history of the period is worthy of examination. Very little of substance has been written about him in any Western language with the result that information presented in this article approaches original research or at the very least inappropriate synthesis. Editors ought to resist the urge to assemble every single offhand mention of him in French and English language histories (aka "properly published sources") and present them as established academic consensus.
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I would very much like to help with this article but would prefer to see the Arbcom case resolved before I begin. I have little inclination to argue every single offhand "properly published source" with a hostile and obsessive editor in the time I give to Wikipedia. Aramgar ( talk) 02:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's
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This seems to be one more in a long series of articles, created to push a POV about Mongol-Christian contacts. See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance.
As originally written, the article presented Simeon Rabban Ata as a Mongol official in charge of "Christians in the Middle East". However, I do not think that this is a correct portrayal. Until things can be straightened out, I have tagged the article as disputed. -- El on ka 20:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
(followup) I went ahead and rewrote the article a bit, condensing it to the high points and trying to balance it out. What do folks think? There's definitely still more work to be done, but is it now in a state where we can at least get the "Disputed" tag off of it? -- El on ka 15:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I have an interest in Simeon Rabban-ata and access to a few secondary sources not cited here. I considered creating this article myself several months ago but decided against it: in the present climate of Franco-Mongol wishful thinking, an article on any minor figure associated with the Mongols tends to attract a specious POV. I also was not sure such an individual so poorly treated in the academic literature warranted his own article.
This article as it stands seems to me an uncritical selection of incidental historical references. I believe, however, that it can and ought to be salvaged. Simeon Rabban-ata is an interesting figure whose role in the history of the period is worthy of examination. Very little of substance has been written about him in any Western language with the result that information presented in this article approaches original research or at the very least inappropriate synthesis. Editors ought to resist the urge to assemble every single offhand mention of him in French and English language histories (aka "properly published sources") and present them as established academic consensus.
Points to emphasize:
I would very much like to help with this article but would prefer to see the Arbcom case resolved before I begin. I have little inclination to argue every single offhand "properly published source" with a hostile and obsessive editor in the time I give to Wikipedia. Aramgar ( talk) 02:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)