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I'm reverting. This is an article about a Christian saint, presenting the Christian hagiography as it actually exists, and references were given. There is no call whatsoever for the templates and editorial comments that were added, and no discussion was offered. TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
To expand a bit: "Christian saint" means he's venerated as a saint in the Christian churches, not that he necessarily thought of himself as a Christian in his lifetime. There is no tradition concerning this figure from Judaism that anyone cared to cite. If there is one it should certainly be mentioned, possibly in its own section, but that does not eclipse Simeon as a person of singular importance in Christian thought, whose prayer as recorded in the Gospels is still in regular use, and who is venerated on the calendars of every liturgical Christian church. It is therefore certainly inappropriate to remove Christian-related templates.
As for the translation from Isaiah: As ought to be clear from context, the citation in question is from the Septuagint, which unequivocally says "virgin" in that place, not "young woman". This is true no matter how much any modern person might disagree with the 2nd century BC translator. However, a Hebrew rendering of the passage would certainly be appropriate here. Not even a brief account of the problem of that passage would be unwelcome.
"Shimon" is virtually certain to have been his name; however, it is not recorded in that form. TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I added those tags because they are highly disputed from Jewish POVs. And secondly the translation from Isaiah is well known to be a mistranslation from the Hebrew. ems 06:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Simeon and Shimon are the same name just deferent ways of saying it. In the hebrew there are 2 imcompable vowels in the word Simeon/Shimon where only one can be said but not the other. So when saying one of the vowels you get Shimon, when saying the other you get Simeon. On the dates, it may not be disputed in between most Christian circles as much, but outside that where the date is not based from the NT, there are many dates. I have seen as far as to 300-200 BCE... Be aware, Judaism only accepts the 5 books as the testament. The other books of Mikra (english: reading) are considered "holy." Outside of that... ems 18:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, I have been trying to find the source of this Eastern tradition -- do you mind listing where you found it? The Protoevangelium of Jacob speaks of Symeon as being 112 years old when he saw Jesus brought to the Temple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.3.147.135 ( talk) 18:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
The {{in-universe}} tag should be removed--it is intended for subjecs like Superman or Lord of the Rings, which entail a setting which is entirely and purposefully fictional, but is not appropriate for biblical figures. Its presence on this article is itself POV, as it presumes that the Bible is fiction. Its presence is offensive, and smacks of someone with an axe to grind. It is unencyclopedic and should be removed. MishaPan ( talk) 04:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is clearly and unambiguously about the person who occurs principally in Christian tradition and Luke's gospel as an old man around the time of Jesus' birth (roughly 6 to 2 BCE).
There is also a Simeon the Just who, according to his article, was around "310-291 or 300-273 BCE".
Does either tradition make any claim that there was a single Simeon who lived to the age of 300? It would seem they are two completely different people, living 300 years apart.
I am therefore removing the entirely unsourced material (the alleged "ref" was simply another Wikipedia article) about the ~300 BCE person from this article about this ~0 BCE person. (But of course, the "hatnote" at the top of the article can stay, so that someone looking for the 300 BCE person can be directed, in accordance with Wikipedia house style and guidelines, to the correct article.)
Of course, if there really is some sort of non-fringe tradition that there was one person, aged about 300, then presumably it can reliably sourced for re-insertion into this article, again in conformance with Wikipedia guidelines. Feline Hymnic ( talk) 21:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Is Simeon the Righteous the right title for the article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 07:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
The whole part with details on the festivities duplicates with the main article Presentation of Jesus at the Temple and should be removed. Kind regards, Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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I came here via a link on the Wikipedia page entitled "October_8", subsection "Christian feast days", but there is no mention of an October date in this article. What is the connection? Douglasson ( talk) 08:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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I'm reverting. This is an article about a Christian saint, presenting the Christian hagiography as it actually exists, and references were given. There is no call whatsoever for the templates and editorial comments that were added, and no discussion was offered. TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
To expand a bit: "Christian saint" means he's venerated as a saint in the Christian churches, not that he necessarily thought of himself as a Christian in his lifetime. There is no tradition concerning this figure from Judaism that anyone cared to cite. If there is one it should certainly be mentioned, possibly in its own section, but that does not eclipse Simeon as a person of singular importance in Christian thought, whose prayer as recorded in the Gospels is still in regular use, and who is venerated on the calendars of every liturgical Christian church. It is therefore certainly inappropriate to remove Christian-related templates.
As for the translation from Isaiah: As ought to be clear from context, the citation in question is from the Septuagint, which unequivocally says "virgin" in that place, not "young woman". This is true no matter how much any modern person might disagree with the 2nd century BC translator. However, a Hebrew rendering of the passage would certainly be appropriate here. Not even a brief account of the problem of that passage would be unwelcome.
"Shimon" is virtually certain to have been his name; however, it is not recorded in that form. TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I added those tags because they are highly disputed from Jewish POVs. And secondly the translation from Isaiah is well known to be a mistranslation from the Hebrew. ems 06:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Simeon and Shimon are the same name just deferent ways of saying it. In the hebrew there are 2 imcompable vowels in the word Simeon/Shimon where only one can be said but not the other. So when saying one of the vowels you get Shimon, when saying the other you get Simeon. On the dates, it may not be disputed in between most Christian circles as much, but outside that where the date is not based from the NT, there are many dates. I have seen as far as to 300-200 BCE... Be aware, Judaism only accepts the 5 books as the testament. The other books of Mikra (english: reading) are considered "holy." Outside of that... ems 18:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, I have been trying to find the source of this Eastern tradition -- do you mind listing where you found it? The Protoevangelium of Jacob speaks of Symeon as being 112 years old when he saw Jesus brought to the Temple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.3.147.135 ( talk) 18:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
The {{in-universe}} tag should be removed--it is intended for subjecs like Superman or Lord of the Rings, which entail a setting which is entirely and purposefully fictional, but is not appropriate for biblical figures. Its presence on this article is itself POV, as it presumes that the Bible is fiction. Its presence is offensive, and smacks of someone with an axe to grind. It is unencyclopedic and should be removed. MishaPan ( talk) 04:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is clearly and unambiguously about the person who occurs principally in Christian tradition and Luke's gospel as an old man around the time of Jesus' birth (roughly 6 to 2 BCE).
There is also a Simeon the Just who, according to his article, was around "310-291 or 300-273 BCE".
Does either tradition make any claim that there was a single Simeon who lived to the age of 300? It would seem they are two completely different people, living 300 years apart.
I am therefore removing the entirely unsourced material (the alleged "ref" was simply another Wikipedia article) about the ~300 BCE person from this article about this ~0 BCE person. (But of course, the "hatnote" at the top of the article can stay, so that someone looking for the 300 BCE person can be directed, in accordance with Wikipedia house style and guidelines, to the correct article.)
Of course, if there really is some sort of non-fringe tradition that there was one person, aged about 300, then presumably it can reliably sourced for re-insertion into this article, again in conformance with Wikipedia guidelines. Feline Hymnic ( talk) 21:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Is Simeon the Righteous the right title for the article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 07:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
The whole part with details on the festivities duplicates with the main article Presentation of Jesus at the Temple and should be removed. Kind regards, Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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I came here via a link on the Wikipedia page entitled "October_8", subsection "Christian feast days", but there is no mention of an October date in this article. What is the connection? Douglasson ( talk) 08:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)