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I asked to please fixed correction on the menu box "Silverjet" ICAO code SLR is incorrect. The ICAO code is FJE. I don't know how to edit on the menu box. Please have someone exprt to edit for me. Thanks. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.217.63.131 (
talk •
contribs) 21:10, 20 November 2007
Hi Guys-Where did you get SLR and Silverjet from source? I checked a few links and proof that are FJE and ENVOY callsign. How do you find this SLR and Silverjet callsign from? I already emailed to Silverjet Headquarter and asked about what is thier callsign and IACO code. I'm waiting for response me back probably a few days later due Thanksgiving holidays.
Big777jet (
talk) —Preceding
comment was added at 17:23, 21 November 2007
Silverjet have certainly changed their 3-letter ICAO to SLR and callsign to "Silverjet" on 31st October 2007, unfortunatley online code databases are still not reflecting the change. As
NcSchu stated in his update of 20th November,
jethro's fleet listings website, a usually reliable and up-to-date source, states the new details came into effect on 31st October following the closure of Flyjet charter division. Unfortunately that website is down at the moment but when it comes back online the updates section does list the change. Also, flight tracking websites now confirm the new three-letter code in use, for example
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/EGGW. Even that website still lists the operator as "Sobelair" when the flight number is selected, the defunct Belgian charter airline and previous holder of the 3-letter code, although these are clearly Silverjet flights. From a personal perspective I have also heard the new callsign in use all month. Hopefully you will receive a response from Silverjet soon with their confirmation, as a British airline they are not affected by Thanksgiving holiday!
79.77.181.1 (
talk)
22:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi Guys, I'm apologized about this. I didn't know that they were changed it. The website are outdate and wrong. OK.. I'll leave it alone. Thanks for explained that. Stuart aka Big777jet —Preceding
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Big777jet (
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01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
http://www.jethros.i12.com is a dead link. I get a 503 everytime I try to load it. We can e–mail them to get an offical response on what their ICAO and callsign are, but we can’t use that to
verify, since an e–mail is not a
reliable source. I myself am very interested to see what their response is, however, per
Wikipedia:Verifiability, “The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.” Even if we do find out which ICAO and callsign are correct, we still have to back it up with something other than the e–mail, per
Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Taric25 (
talk)
02:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I already emailed them, don't bother. FJE and ENVOY are the identifier and call-sign of Flyjet, which was taken over by Silverjet and only used for a small period. Now Silverjet has their own ones. All you need to do is listen to ATC in order to here the correct call-sign and identifier, that overrules any "source". And actually,
Jethros and
AeroTransport Data Bank both agree that SILVERJET and SLR are correct, and I've learned to trust these sources over any other in situations like this.
NcSchu(
Talk)22:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Jethro's site is now back online and confirms in this section
[1] on the 1st November 2007 updates for Silverjet "Flyjet brand ceased 31 Oct ICAO code now SLR, callsign Silverjet". I would support this as the most up-to-date and reliable source, as cited already above, and keep the code SLR and callsign SILVERJET on the page. From a personal perspective (although I agree that is no substitute for a published source) I can assure they are now using this new callsign as I hear them when flying myself. The only true source would be ICAO Document 8585 - Designators for Aircraft Operating Agencies, Aeronautical Authorities and Services, however the latest version is only available for purchase and so cannot be quoted from. We therefore need to rely on sites like those already quoted, none of which will ever be 100% accurate or up-to-date. On this basis I support Jethro's site and keeping SLR / SILVERJET on the article.
SempreVolando (
talk)
09:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Suspended, not ceased
Silverjet has not closed down, it may well do in the future. There is no need to change tenses to the past tense as that implies it has ceased to be.
MrMarmite (
talk)
10:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The airline has gone into administration, and effectively ceased trading. Its assets are frozen and cannot provide refunds due to customers. It does not sell tickets. It does not operate flights. The CAA website no longer lists Silverjet as posessing an AOC.
Can such a company really be called an airline ? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.136.129.53 (
talk)
16:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Silverjet is noteworthy and thus listed on wikipedia for being an airline - rather that just being a company registered in the UK. —Preceding
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86.136.129.53 (
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contribs)
Not correct, Jpatokal, the airline has NOT closed down, it has suspended operations. No matter how unlikely it is that Silverjet will start again, Wikipedia cannot say it has closed because it hasn't. So, at the moment, it IS an airline -
Adrian Pingstone (
talk)
16:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Silverjet no longer has a licence from the CAA to fly passengers, cargo or mail in return for payment. How do they therefore still qualify to be described as an airline ? Can any company describe itself as an airline, or if not, what is the additional factor that makes a company an airline ?
I see the CAA list. It seems odd that they would have "lost" the license so soon. I wonder if it was under another name or jurisdiction?
MrMarmite (
talk)
11:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It was originally under 'Flyjet', I believe, though I'm pretty sure once Silverjet took complete control and obtained its own callsign/IATA code/etc. that the license changed to 'Silverjet'.
NcSchu(
Talk)17:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I see that there is some issue here, but losing their license should be sufficient to say that they are not an airline any more.
JeffBurdges (
talk)
14:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The fact that they are still trying, and now apparently getting, funds mean that they are only 'suspended' and trying to start up again.
NcSchu(
Talk)16:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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I asked to please fixed correction on the menu box "Silverjet" ICAO code SLR is incorrect. The ICAO code is FJE. I don't know how to edit on the menu box. Please have someone exprt to edit for me. Thanks. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.217.63.131 (
talk •
contribs) 21:10, 20 November 2007
Hi Guys-Where did you get SLR and Silverjet from source? I checked a few links and proof that are FJE and ENVOY callsign. How do you find this SLR and Silverjet callsign from? I already emailed to Silverjet Headquarter and asked about what is thier callsign and IACO code. I'm waiting for response me back probably a few days later due Thanksgiving holidays.
Big777jet (
talk) —Preceding
comment was added at 17:23, 21 November 2007
Silverjet have certainly changed their 3-letter ICAO to SLR and callsign to "Silverjet" on 31st October 2007, unfortunatley online code databases are still not reflecting the change. As
NcSchu stated in his update of 20th November,
jethro's fleet listings website, a usually reliable and up-to-date source, states the new details came into effect on 31st October following the closure of Flyjet charter division. Unfortunately that website is down at the moment but when it comes back online the updates section does list the change. Also, flight tracking websites now confirm the new three-letter code in use, for example
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/EGGW. Even that website still lists the operator as "Sobelair" when the flight number is selected, the defunct Belgian charter airline and previous holder of the 3-letter code, although these are clearly Silverjet flights. From a personal perspective I have also heard the new callsign in use all month. Hopefully you will receive a response from Silverjet soon with their confirmation, as a British airline they are not affected by Thanksgiving holiday!
79.77.181.1 (
talk)
22:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi Guys, I'm apologized about this. I didn't know that they were changed it. The website are outdate and wrong. OK.. I'll leave it alone. Thanks for explained that. Stuart aka Big777jet —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Big777jet (
talk •
contribs)
01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
http://www.jethros.i12.com is a dead link. I get a 503 everytime I try to load it. We can e–mail them to get an offical response on what their ICAO and callsign are, but we can’t use that to
verify, since an e–mail is not a
reliable source. I myself am very interested to see what their response is, however, per
Wikipedia:Verifiability, “The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.” Even if we do find out which ICAO and callsign are correct, we still have to back it up with something other than the e–mail, per
Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Taric25 (
talk)
02:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I already emailed them, don't bother. FJE and ENVOY are the identifier and call-sign of Flyjet, which was taken over by Silverjet and only used for a small period. Now Silverjet has their own ones. All you need to do is listen to ATC in order to here the correct call-sign and identifier, that overrules any "source". And actually,
Jethros and
AeroTransport Data Bank both agree that SILVERJET and SLR are correct, and I've learned to trust these sources over any other in situations like this.
NcSchu(
Talk)22:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Jethro's site is now back online and confirms in this section
[1] on the 1st November 2007 updates for Silverjet "Flyjet brand ceased 31 Oct ICAO code now SLR, callsign Silverjet". I would support this as the most up-to-date and reliable source, as cited already above, and keep the code SLR and callsign SILVERJET on the page. From a personal perspective (although I agree that is no substitute for a published source) I can assure they are now using this new callsign as I hear them when flying myself. The only true source would be ICAO Document 8585 - Designators for Aircraft Operating Agencies, Aeronautical Authorities and Services, however the latest version is only available for purchase and so cannot be quoted from. We therefore need to rely on sites like those already quoted, none of which will ever be 100% accurate or up-to-date. On this basis I support Jethro's site and keeping SLR / SILVERJET on the article.
SempreVolando (
talk)
09:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Suspended, not ceased
Silverjet has not closed down, it may well do in the future. There is no need to change tenses to the past tense as that implies it has ceased to be.
MrMarmite (
talk)
10:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The airline has gone into administration, and effectively ceased trading. Its assets are frozen and cannot provide refunds due to customers. It does not sell tickets. It does not operate flights. The CAA website no longer lists Silverjet as posessing an AOC.
Can such a company really be called an airline ? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.136.129.53 (
talk)
16:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Silverjet is noteworthy and thus listed on wikipedia for being an airline - rather that just being a company registered in the UK. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.136.129.53 (
talk •
contribs)
Not correct, Jpatokal, the airline has NOT closed down, it has suspended operations. No matter how unlikely it is that Silverjet will start again, Wikipedia cannot say it has closed because it hasn't. So, at the moment, it IS an airline -
Adrian Pingstone (
talk)
16:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Silverjet no longer has a licence from the CAA to fly passengers, cargo or mail in return for payment. How do they therefore still qualify to be described as an airline ? Can any company describe itself as an airline, or if not, what is the additional factor that makes a company an airline ?
I see the CAA list. It seems odd that they would have "lost" the license so soon. I wonder if it was under another name or jurisdiction?
MrMarmite (
talk)
11:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It was originally under 'Flyjet', I believe, though I'm pretty sure once Silverjet took complete control and obtained its own callsign/IATA code/etc. that the license changed to 'Silverjet'.
NcSchu(
Talk)17:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I see that there is some issue here, but losing their license should be sufficient to say that they are not an airline any more.
JeffBurdges (
talk)
14:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The fact that they are still trying, and now apparently getting, funds mean that they are only 'suspended' and trying to start up again.
NcSchu(
Talk)16:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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