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What's the authority for spelling the race "The Silence"? Isn't the race the plural of Silents? ie, one Silent, many Silents? ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.99.60 ( talk) 10:37, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
The fact that "Silence" and "Silents" are phonetically identical doesn't help. I believe Silence is the standard because of the repeating phrase "Silence will fall" in Season 5. They may very well have been saying "Silents will fall" but most people would write down "Silence" after hearing that phrase uttered. The spelling may have stuck, even after season 6 came around and we found out that the Silents were a species with singular form Silent. If any of that makes sense. 96.227.155.19 ( talk) 03:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Per the BBC at http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/The_Silence "The Silence" is the name of the alien race and "The singular form of Silence is Silent" -- Zentomologist ( talk) 06:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The following material was deleted as speculation, but some can be supported by plot summarization, especially some of the material of the second paragraph. μηδείς ( talk) 02:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The editor who has suggested that this article be deleted has described the description of the on screen appearance of the "Silence":
In " The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida - leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence.
as "original research". Perhaps he is unfamiliar with the fact that a work of fiction serves as its own source for a summary of its plot - which is what the comment amounts to. Indeed, given that the Silence is only credited in that episode, leaving out that episode is, Frankly, absurd. μηδείς ( talk) 16:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
with the speculative qualification "- leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence" left out? μηδείς ( talk) 16:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)In " The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida.
At the end of Appearances, someone has attempted synthesis: "In The Name of the Doctor, the final episode of the seventh series, it is revealed that the Doctor's true name acts as the password for granting access to his resting place, where his timeline is housed. The Silence have been trying to kill the Doctor all this time because the Great Intelligence wanted access to the Doctor's timeline to rewrite all his victories into losses, erasing all the civilizations and lives that he saved/would save." This sentence is unverifiable and the Silence are not even mentioned, never mind that they do not appear in the episode. It is one possible interpretation of events in the series and as such does not belong. I am deleting the paragraph. ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 07:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we actually know whether or not Van Den Broeke voices the Silent, or if he only wears the costume (like his role as Discworld's Death, where he wore the outfit but the voice was provided by someone else)? 82.32.90.49 ( talk) 17:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
When we add a Articles for Deletion tag to an article, it asks us not to blank the tag or remove it during the discussion. The AfD tag allows people to improve the article. The AfD discussion is open to all and continues until a consensus decision can be reached.
Now, I am fine with keeping this article, or merging this article. I'm not in favor of deleting the content in this article. But, someone came along and added a RESCUE tag, which provides suggestions for rescuing the article from deletion, along with a command not to remove the article. While I agree this is a fine goal, I don't feel that it is appropriate to have an unremovable deletion tag AND an unremovable rescue tag. One side is demanding to be heard for deletion and the other is demanding to be heard for 'keep' (rescue). This is inappropriate.
If someone needs to rescue the article, then simply do so, and tell people in the AfD that you are answering the critical comments in AfD, and willing, able, and doing what it takes for the article to survive. But adding another tag that runs counter to consensus doesn't seem to be the right approach.
No one is preventing improvements to the article, and if people recognize that improvements HAVE been made, they will likely change their attitudes in the consensus. But waving our virtual hands and saying "I'LL SAVE IT!!" without actual improvements seems to be a way to game the AfD discussion, and again, is inappropriate. -- Avanu ( talk) 23:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Another new news article dealing with the Silence TV REVIEW: ‘Doctor Who: The Impossible Astronaut’ by Jonathan Weilbaecher, Apr 29 2011. He iro 04:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
When was that? Dalek9 ( talk) 18:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The BBC America show Doctor Who in America spelled the race's name as the Silents not the Silence. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 06:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I think someone should note the pretty striking resemblance to popular internet mythos of Slender Man.. They are dressed exactly alike, have the same build (tall and slender), and deformed arms, and the memory loss/hypnosis powers are hinted at in the mythos as well. -- 217.195.169.41 ( talk) 19:07, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a common archetype here. The Gentlemen from Buffy. The Silence from Doctor Who. Tall Man from Phantasm. Slender Man from... the internet. All have extremely similar characteristics. Nightmarish humanoid abomination that's tall, slim, deformed face, wears a suit, never speak, etc. Another similarity between The Silence and Slender Man is the ability to make those around them sick and some form of power over recorded video (tapes freak out when recording Slender man, and a video showing silents has the same amnesia-inducing powers as the silents themselves 96.227.155.19 ( talk) 03:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The problem with the statement "Like previous Moffat creations, the monsters use a psychological 'gimmick'." in the creation section is that it implies at least two specific creations when none are named in either source. I suggest rewording the sentence to attribute the claiom to the source, saying something like "Reviewers note that Moffat uses a standard psychological gimmick..." This stops the reader from demanding that the article specify which creations. μηδείς ( talk) 19:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Silence are clearly an homage to "The Gentleman" used in the Buffy episode "Hush" written by Joss Whedon -- of whom Steven Moffat is an avowed fan. I'm not alone in this assessment, although unsure how definitive these sources are:
-- HidariMigi ( talk) 04:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little surprised to see no mention of the resemblence of the Silence to the popular image of "gray aliens": http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1249&bih=537&q=grey+aliens&gbv=2&oq=grey+aliens&aq=f&aqi=g3g-m4&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=890l3043l0l3408l11l11l0l2l2l0l273l1531l0.6.3l9l0 173.17.26.178 ( talk) 22:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I think you need to read WP:NOTBLUE. The Verifiability policy specifically says that, yes, not everything needs to have a reference, but a reference must be able to be produced for everything if it is challenged. I am challenging your connection between these two. If you cannot produce a reference that specifically links them together, then the info cannot be included in the article. Silver seren C 06:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the design may have been inspired by Greys after all. See excerpt from The Brilliant Book 2012 I found on Amazon: [4]. Glimmer721 talk 19:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
How do we succinctly state that when the doctor is killed it is further within his timestream but the same doctor. The phrase a later incarnation is currently used and is unhelpful as it is ambiguous whether that it is a regenerated form of the doctor or just older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9doggy ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
On the Wikipedia post about the "cracks in the universe" long story arc, it says that those who are responsible for the TARDIS exploding are responsible for everything that happened with the cracks. The entry vaguely ties The Silence to the exploding TARDIS but could this be explained further along with The Silence role in creating the cracks in the universe? It all has to do with them wanting to kill The Doctor but the cracks happened in a variety of places in the universe and don't seem to be always related to The Doctor. 69.125.134.86 ( talk) 17:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The "Greatest Monsters..." thing is this currently airing countdown (decided by poll), showing an episode of each villain. Is it worth noting under Reception that they came fourth in it? – Bellum ( talk) ( contribs) 22:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I'm not sure how best to describe the Silence in the lede. It did say "religious order or movement" as a quote from the series, where Robot Amy described the Silence as " The Silence is not a species. It is a religious order or movement." in Let's Kill Hitler. Currently, though, it just uses "religious order" per [5]. Within the article we use both interchangeably. It's not a big deal, but I'm inclined to go with the quote from the series to provide both interpretations first, and then leave the discussion of what they are in the body. - Bilby ( talk) 03:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I changed it back because quotes in specific episodes aren't the final determinate of what something is, especially that one ("Let's Kill Hitler") for, as you said, it was the Teselecta (Robot Amy) giving the answer, and they had incomplete knowledge at that time as to what exactly the Silence were. Also, the Silence in other articles (for example the one for "Let's Kill Hitler") is described as a religious order. That's why I added the RS (which is BBC's official Doctor Who website) to avoid any confusion. Vyselink ( talk) 14:22, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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What's the authority for spelling the race "The Silence"? Isn't the race the plural of Silents? ie, one Silent, many Silents? ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.99.60 ( talk) 10:37, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
The fact that "Silence" and "Silents" are phonetically identical doesn't help. I believe Silence is the standard because of the repeating phrase "Silence will fall" in Season 5. They may very well have been saying "Silents will fall" but most people would write down "Silence" after hearing that phrase uttered. The spelling may have stuck, even after season 6 came around and we found out that the Silents were a species with singular form Silent. If any of that makes sense. 96.227.155.19 ( talk) 03:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Per the BBC at http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/The_Silence "The Silence" is the name of the alien race and "The singular form of Silence is Silent" -- Zentomologist ( talk) 06:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The following material was deleted as speculation, but some can be supported by plot summarization, especially some of the material of the second paragraph. μηδείς ( talk) 02:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The editor who has suggested that this article be deleted has described the description of the on screen appearance of the "Silence":
In " The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida - leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence.
as "original research". Perhaps he is unfamiliar with the fact that a work of fiction serves as its own source for a summary of its plot - which is what the comment amounts to. Indeed, given that the Silence is only credited in that episode, leaving out that episode is, Frankly, absurd. μηδείς ( talk) 16:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
with the speculative qualification "- leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence" left out? μηδείς ( talk) 16:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)In " The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida.
At the end of Appearances, someone has attempted synthesis: "In The Name of the Doctor, the final episode of the seventh series, it is revealed that the Doctor's true name acts as the password for granting access to his resting place, where his timeline is housed. The Silence have been trying to kill the Doctor all this time because the Great Intelligence wanted access to the Doctor's timeline to rewrite all his victories into losses, erasing all the civilizations and lives that he saved/would save." This sentence is unverifiable and the Silence are not even mentioned, never mind that they do not appear in the episode. It is one possible interpretation of events in the series and as such does not belong. I am deleting the paragraph. ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 07:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we actually know whether or not Van Den Broeke voices the Silent, or if he only wears the costume (like his role as Discworld's Death, where he wore the outfit but the voice was provided by someone else)? 82.32.90.49 ( talk) 17:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
When we add a Articles for Deletion tag to an article, it asks us not to blank the tag or remove it during the discussion. The AfD tag allows people to improve the article. The AfD discussion is open to all and continues until a consensus decision can be reached.
Now, I am fine with keeping this article, or merging this article. I'm not in favor of deleting the content in this article. But, someone came along and added a RESCUE tag, which provides suggestions for rescuing the article from deletion, along with a command not to remove the article. While I agree this is a fine goal, I don't feel that it is appropriate to have an unremovable deletion tag AND an unremovable rescue tag. One side is demanding to be heard for deletion and the other is demanding to be heard for 'keep' (rescue). This is inappropriate.
If someone needs to rescue the article, then simply do so, and tell people in the AfD that you are answering the critical comments in AfD, and willing, able, and doing what it takes for the article to survive. But adding another tag that runs counter to consensus doesn't seem to be the right approach.
No one is preventing improvements to the article, and if people recognize that improvements HAVE been made, they will likely change their attitudes in the consensus. But waving our virtual hands and saying "I'LL SAVE IT!!" without actual improvements seems to be a way to game the AfD discussion, and again, is inappropriate. -- Avanu ( talk) 23:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Another new news article dealing with the Silence TV REVIEW: ‘Doctor Who: The Impossible Astronaut’ by Jonathan Weilbaecher, Apr 29 2011. He iro 04:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
When was that? Dalek9 ( talk) 18:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The BBC America show Doctor Who in America spelled the race's name as the Silents not the Silence. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 06:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I think someone should note the pretty striking resemblance to popular internet mythos of Slender Man.. They are dressed exactly alike, have the same build (tall and slender), and deformed arms, and the memory loss/hypnosis powers are hinted at in the mythos as well. -- 217.195.169.41 ( talk) 19:07, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a common archetype here. The Gentlemen from Buffy. The Silence from Doctor Who. Tall Man from Phantasm. Slender Man from... the internet. All have extremely similar characteristics. Nightmarish humanoid abomination that's tall, slim, deformed face, wears a suit, never speak, etc. Another similarity between The Silence and Slender Man is the ability to make those around them sick and some form of power over recorded video (tapes freak out when recording Slender man, and a video showing silents has the same amnesia-inducing powers as the silents themselves 96.227.155.19 ( talk) 03:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The problem with the statement "Like previous Moffat creations, the monsters use a psychological 'gimmick'." in the creation section is that it implies at least two specific creations when none are named in either source. I suggest rewording the sentence to attribute the claiom to the source, saying something like "Reviewers note that Moffat uses a standard psychological gimmick..." This stops the reader from demanding that the article specify which creations. μηδείς ( talk) 19:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Silence are clearly an homage to "The Gentleman" used in the Buffy episode "Hush" written by Joss Whedon -- of whom Steven Moffat is an avowed fan. I'm not alone in this assessment, although unsure how definitive these sources are:
-- HidariMigi ( talk) 04:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little surprised to see no mention of the resemblence of the Silence to the popular image of "gray aliens": http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1249&bih=537&q=grey+aliens&gbv=2&oq=grey+aliens&aq=f&aqi=g3g-m4&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=890l3043l0l3408l11l11l0l2l2l0l273l1531l0.6.3l9l0 173.17.26.178 ( talk) 22:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I think you need to read WP:NOTBLUE. The Verifiability policy specifically says that, yes, not everything needs to have a reference, but a reference must be able to be produced for everything if it is challenged. I am challenging your connection between these two. If you cannot produce a reference that specifically links them together, then the info cannot be included in the article. Silver seren C 06:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the design may have been inspired by Greys after all. See excerpt from The Brilliant Book 2012 I found on Amazon: [4]. Glimmer721 talk 19:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
How do we succinctly state that when the doctor is killed it is further within his timestream but the same doctor. The phrase a later incarnation is currently used and is unhelpful as it is ambiguous whether that it is a regenerated form of the doctor or just older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9doggy ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
On the Wikipedia post about the "cracks in the universe" long story arc, it says that those who are responsible for the TARDIS exploding are responsible for everything that happened with the cracks. The entry vaguely ties The Silence to the exploding TARDIS but could this be explained further along with The Silence role in creating the cracks in the universe? It all has to do with them wanting to kill The Doctor but the cracks happened in a variety of places in the universe and don't seem to be always related to The Doctor. 69.125.134.86 ( talk) 17:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The "Greatest Monsters..." thing is this currently airing countdown (decided by poll), showing an episode of each villain. Is it worth noting under Reception that they came fourth in it? – Bellum ( talk) ( contribs) 22:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I'm not sure how best to describe the Silence in the lede. It did say "religious order or movement" as a quote from the series, where Robot Amy described the Silence as " The Silence is not a species. It is a religious order or movement." in Let's Kill Hitler. Currently, though, it just uses "religious order" per [5]. Within the article we use both interchangeably. It's not a big deal, but I'm inclined to go with the quote from the series to provide both interpretations first, and then leave the discussion of what they are in the body. - Bilby ( talk) 03:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I changed it back because quotes in specific episodes aren't the final determinate of what something is, especially that one ("Let's Kill Hitler") for, as you said, it was the Teselecta (Robot Amy) giving the answer, and they had incomplete knowledge at that time as to what exactly the Silence were. Also, the Silence in other articles (for example the one for "Let's Kill Hitler") is described as a religious order. That's why I added the RS (which is BBC's official Doctor Who website) to avoid any confusion. Vyselink ( talk) 14:22, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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