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I propose we move this page to Sigurður Þórarinsson.
Let me argue my case and at the same time respond to the discussion at my talk page.
The fundamental reason for my proposed move is that Sigurður Þórarinsson is the name of this person, written in the Latin alphabet, so this fits very well with the guidelines on WP:NC(UE). Sigurður was Icelandic, he lived and worked in Iceland for most of his life, a large part of his research concerned the geology of Iceland and he was very active in Icelandic society in general. It therefore stands to reason that many readers of this article will be interested in several topics related to Iceland.
Beyond that, Sigurður was a highly respected geologist the world over, and good academic libraries will have several of his books. The library catalogue where I am lists 14 of his works and his entry is under his name, Sigurður Þórarninssson, it is indexed in the alphabetical order in the region of "tho". I went to the section of the library in the Geology building here and found three book on the list, two of which gave his name as Þórarinsson and one as Thorarinsson, also a couple of articles which were in books close by referenced his work under the name "Thorarinsson, S". It is thus certainly not the case that everybody outside of Iceland thinks his last name starts with a T but people may choose to write is as Thorarinsson for various reasons, perhaps the typewriters they had access to didn't contain a Þ or they worried that people might not recognise it.
Now, what should we do here on Wikipedia? Well, we don't have to worry about the typewriter problem, Wikipedia is written in UTF-8 which certainly contains a Þ, an ð and an ó and whatnot, for display considerations I would add that they are in WGL4 which we should safely be allowed to assume as standard. We also have a template {{foreignchar}} which introduces the characters which may be unfamiliar to some readers.
I don't have his PhD thesis in front of me and I am quite happy to agree that when a publication of his has "Thorarinsson" as the listed author then it should stay that way. I changed it for the thesis because I assumed that there must have been a mistake in the rendering of that since it said Pjórsárdalur. I stand corrected (not on the Pjórsárdalur issue of course).
Finally, I would like to reiterate that other articles on Icelandic scholars use Þ and ð as appropriate. Stefán 21:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The worst part of this experience for me is that your (Stefán's) rude and uncivil unilateral actions have taken the joy out of working on this article for me. I looked forward to expanding it substantially, and was in the process of getting as many of Sigurdur Thorarinsson's books as I could from the libraries (I even have 4 inter-library loans pending for his books not in my own university library). I was also planning to photocopy many of his most significant articles, to read them and sythesize into useful paragaphs about his scientific work. But now I think, why bother doing this? Why spend my own money making copies of his papers, just to work on a WP article which others view as some kind of nationalistic Icelandic ownership. I have already wasted 3-4 hours of my time, writing on your talk page and Haukur's and above, and discussing an issue which if it ever comes to a renaming vote, I am certain to lose. Obviously, you'll rally plenty of your supporters to make it look like a 90% majority in favor of renaming, irrespective of whether the renaming is benficial for WP or its users or whether the vote represents a true consensus.
I have no desire for conflict on WP. If I had known you (and other Icelanders) would behave in this manner, I would not have started an article on Sigurdur Thorarinsson. There are 100s (even 1000s) of other articles I could start or spend my precious time working on, including over 1500 within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Volcanoes which I launched a few days ago. I hope you are proud of yourself for needlessly upsetting a good and hard-working editor. Everyone loses in this case. -- Seattle Skier (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it wise to drop the proper diaterics, when they are viewable on nearly any computer. Nearly all other decent articles with diaterics in the title ( Gerhard Schröder, Eva Perón, to name two) have the official pages with diaterics but have redirect pages (Eva Peron, Gerhard Schroder) linking to the properly titled articles. I can't for the hep of me understand why Icelandic should buck this trend.
I really think, both for correctness and for uniformity, this page should be moved back to Sigurður Þórarinsson (but there should be an IPA showing how the name is pronounced, which I will be happy to provide)... and there should be a page with this name, as a redirect. Or shall we start taking down all the diaterics off Wikipedia? -- It's-is-not-a-genitive 19:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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I propose we move this page to Sigurður Þórarinsson.
Let me argue my case and at the same time respond to the discussion at my talk page.
The fundamental reason for my proposed move is that Sigurður Þórarinsson is the name of this person, written in the Latin alphabet, so this fits very well with the guidelines on WP:NC(UE). Sigurður was Icelandic, he lived and worked in Iceland for most of his life, a large part of his research concerned the geology of Iceland and he was very active in Icelandic society in general. It therefore stands to reason that many readers of this article will be interested in several topics related to Iceland.
Beyond that, Sigurður was a highly respected geologist the world over, and good academic libraries will have several of his books. The library catalogue where I am lists 14 of his works and his entry is under his name, Sigurður Þórarninssson, it is indexed in the alphabetical order in the region of "tho". I went to the section of the library in the Geology building here and found three book on the list, two of which gave his name as Þórarinsson and one as Thorarinsson, also a couple of articles which were in books close by referenced his work under the name "Thorarinsson, S". It is thus certainly not the case that everybody outside of Iceland thinks his last name starts with a T but people may choose to write is as Thorarinsson for various reasons, perhaps the typewriters they had access to didn't contain a Þ or they worried that people might not recognise it.
Now, what should we do here on Wikipedia? Well, we don't have to worry about the typewriter problem, Wikipedia is written in UTF-8 which certainly contains a Þ, an ð and an ó and whatnot, for display considerations I would add that they are in WGL4 which we should safely be allowed to assume as standard. We also have a template {{foreignchar}} which introduces the characters which may be unfamiliar to some readers.
I don't have his PhD thesis in front of me and I am quite happy to agree that when a publication of his has "Thorarinsson" as the listed author then it should stay that way. I changed it for the thesis because I assumed that there must have been a mistake in the rendering of that since it said Pjórsárdalur. I stand corrected (not on the Pjórsárdalur issue of course).
Finally, I would like to reiterate that other articles on Icelandic scholars use Þ and ð as appropriate. Stefán 21:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The worst part of this experience for me is that your (Stefán's) rude and uncivil unilateral actions have taken the joy out of working on this article for me. I looked forward to expanding it substantially, and was in the process of getting as many of Sigurdur Thorarinsson's books as I could from the libraries (I even have 4 inter-library loans pending for his books not in my own university library). I was also planning to photocopy many of his most significant articles, to read them and sythesize into useful paragaphs about his scientific work. But now I think, why bother doing this? Why spend my own money making copies of his papers, just to work on a WP article which others view as some kind of nationalistic Icelandic ownership. I have already wasted 3-4 hours of my time, writing on your talk page and Haukur's and above, and discussing an issue which if it ever comes to a renaming vote, I am certain to lose. Obviously, you'll rally plenty of your supporters to make it look like a 90% majority in favor of renaming, irrespective of whether the renaming is benficial for WP or its users or whether the vote represents a true consensus.
I have no desire for conflict on WP. If I had known you (and other Icelanders) would behave in this manner, I would not have started an article on Sigurdur Thorarinsson. There are 100s (even 1000s) of other articles I could start or spend my precious time working on, including over 1500 within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Volcanoes which I launched a few days ago. I hope you are proud of yourself for needlessly upsetting a good and hard-working editor. Everyone loses in this case. -- Seattle Skier (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it wise to drop the proper diaterics, when they are viewable on nearly any computer. Nearly all other decent articles with diaterics in the title ( Gerhard Schröder, Eva Perón, to name two) have the official pages with diaterics but have redirect pages (Eva Peron, Gerhard Schroder) linking to the properly titled articles. I can't for the hep of me understand why Icelandic should buck this trend.
I really think, both for correctness and for uniformity, this page should be moved back to Sigurður Þórarinsson (but there should be an IPA showing how the name is pronounced, which I will be happy to provide)... and there should be a page with this name, as a redirect. Or shall we start taking down all the diaterics off Wikipedia? -- It's-is-not-a-genitive 19:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)