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Does anybody have decent information about who Sigurd's mother was? I mean, Assuming he was indeed born around 960, which would mean he had reached about the ripe age of 55 at the time of his attested death at Clontarf, any first generation offspring of Cearbhall Mc Dunlainge would have been past 70 when he was born, meaning that if Cearbhall was indeed his forebear, he would have to be his great grandfather, with possibly a generation or two more in between them. Is it likely that the word "daughter" by which Eithne is described would be used to mean "descended of"? -- Svartalf ( talk) 20:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Adam Cuerden ( talk · contribs) 20:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC) Right. A strong article on a difficult subject, dealing well with ambiguity in sources. There are a few things to clear up, but they're mainly issues of phrasing, and I can't see this not being GA within a few days. 1. Lead: "these compelling stories" - that might break the encyclopedic tone a bit, as it's a value judgement.
2. Mainland Scotland: It might help to clarify "holdings" - it's a somewhat archaic usage of the word in modern English, especially in phrases such as "The latter he held from the Kings of Scotland rather than Norway".
3. The Hebrides: A minor quibble, but given the Christian usage of "King of Man", perhaps "Gofraid mac Arailt, King of the Isle of Man" might be better. I'm not fixed on this.
4. Death at Clontarf: "iarla Innsi Orcc" might be wise to explicitly translate.
5. Succession and other relatives: "Thorfinn's mother is specifically stated to be a daughter of Malcolm II." - I presume Malcolm II of Scotland? If so, please be explicit.
6. Interpretations: Providing an introductory sentence to the paragraph about Kjarvalr Írakonungr would make it easier to follow. The name hasn't appeared before in this article.
As I said, these are minor points in a very long, well-written article, and I look forwards to promoting this soon. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 20:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
A few recent edits identified Sigurd's wives as: "Thora, daughter of Haakon the Good" and "Olith, daughter of Malcolm II of Scotland" without a reliable source. Malcolm's daughter isn't named in Sigurd's ODNB article. A marriage to a daughter of Hakon isn't mentioned at all. Malcolm's ODNB article states: "It is not known whether Malcolm had any sons, but he may have had as many as three daughters. The only one whose name in known is Bethóc, who married Crínán, abbot of Dunkeld (d. 1045). Their son was Duncan I, who succeeded Malcolm as king. Another daughter of Malcolm married Sigurd (II) Hlödvisson, earl of Orkney (d. 1014), whose son was Thorfinn the Mighty, earl of Orkney".-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 23:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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Does anybody have decent information about who Sigurd's mother was? I mean, Assuming he was indeed born around 960, which would mean he had reached about the ripe age of 55 at the time of his attested death at Clontarf, any first generation offspring of Cearbhall Mc Dunlainge would have been past 70 when he was born, meaning that if Cearbhall was indeed his forebear, he would have to be his great grandfather, with possibly a generation or two more in between them. Is it likely that the word "daughter" by which Eithne is described would be used to mean "descended of"? -- Svartalf ( talk) 20:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Adam Cuerden ( talk · contribs) 20:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC) Right. A strong article on a difficult subject, dealing well with ambiguity in sources. There are a few things to clear up, but they're mainly issues of phrasing, and I can't see this not being GA within a few days. 1. Lead: "these compelling stories" - that might break the encyclopedic tone a bit, as it's a value judgement.
2. Mainland Scotland: It might help to clarify "holdings" - it's a somewhat archaic usage of the word in modern English, especially in phrases such as "The latter he held from the Kings of Scotland rather than Norway".
3. The Hebrides: A minor quibble, but given the Christian usage of "King of Man", perhaps "Gofraid mac Arailt, King of the Isle of Man" might be better. I'm not fixed on this.
4. Death at Clontarf: "iarla Innsi Orcc" might be wise to explicitly translate.
5. Succession and other relatives: "Thorfinn's mother is specifically stated to be a daughter of Malcolm II." - I presume Malcolm II of Scotland? If so, please be explicit.
6. Interpretations: Providing an introductory sentence to the paragraph about Kjarvalr Írakonungr would make it easier to follow. The name hasn't appeared before in this article.
As I said, these are minor points in a very long, well-written article, and I look forwards to promoting this soon. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 20:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
A few recent edits identified Sigurd's wives as: "Thora, daughter of Haakon the Good" and "Olith, daughter of Malcolm II of Scotland" without a reliable source. Malcolm's daughter isn't named in Sigurd's ODNB article. A marriage to a daughter of Hakon isn't mentioned at all. Malcolm's ODNB article states: "It is not known whether Malcolm had any sons, but he may have had as many as three daughters. The only one whose name in known is Bethóc, who married Crínán, abbot of Dunkeld (d. 1045). Their son was Duncan I, who succeeded Malcolm as king. Another daughter of Malcolm married Sigurd (II) Hlödvisson, earl of Orkney (d. 1014), whose son was Thorfinn the Mighty, earl of Orkney".-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 23:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. I am trying to establish if this guy had a wife/partner who produced a daughter known as Edith De Ossory Raanipura ( talk) 06:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)