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What does this mean? -- Maru (talk) Contribs 05:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll weigh in on the dynamic images: I don't know about P2P, but some forums I'm in have users who have stats from webservers as their avatar, and it updates automatically (i.e. number of users, etc - see an example, logo only) But I was originally wondering about the Forums section. It seems a little POV to me ("Those stupid teenagers...") Particularly describing teens as "posting mostly one-liner replies followed by really enormous signature blocks including blinking and scrolling text in odd fonts, and dozens of pictures of their favorite celebrities." and the part about "elaborately-constructed HTML and CSS monstrosities." Especially the former seems exaggerated, or worst-case-scenario. I have seen some bad ones, but few that are that bad. -- The Human Spellchecker 21:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The change in UK company law from the beginning of 2007 will significantly tighten up corporate use of email signatures (and make them rather long in the process). The Register states:
Companies in the UK must include certain regulatory information on their websites and in their email footers before 1 January 2007 or they will breach the Companies Act and risk a fine.
Every company should list its company registration number, place of registration, and registered office address on its website as a result of an update to the legislation of 1985. The information, which must be in legible characters, should also appear on order forms and in emails. Such information is already required on "business letters" but the duty is being extended to websites, order forms and electronic documents.
-- Ashley VH 14:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
magaly956 Magaly956$$ ( talk) 21:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Many can argue as a statement of fact- the vast majority of the world does not follow the guidelines described in this article.
Just about the only ones following these guidelines are from the "good ole usenet/bbs days". (or those with an email client that forces it... Thunderbird for instance.) While an argument can be made by the purists, the fact remains that the effectiveness of signature breaks has been greatly diminished. As time goes on, people are more often using html signatures. The "--" is visually ineffective as a separator. Most popular email programs do not suggest that as a separator. It's naive to think that the world will voluntarily change to this.
I know... blasphemy to some of you old school cats. Give up already! Time is *not* on your side.
-- 72.190.15.191 05:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The "--" is visually ineffective as a separator.
It may look like "--" but it's really "-- " (dash dash space newline), and email programs that understand and properly utilize it aid the user by automatically not including the signature in the quoted section of replies. Smart, nice and little to do with visual separation.
Darkphader 21:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we clean this up? I did some but it needs more. Most of the junk on here is not cited, and its simply what various people think signatures should be, or what they are used to on a particular forum or community they post on. The usenet/email section is woefully undercited as well.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 19:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Where did all the BBS stuff go (taglines)? I thought this was a dictionary, not a commentary on the contemporary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.147.182 ( talk) 22:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Who is Kibo and does that reference need to be left? I can't find any info about him/her. ( Photodeus ( talk) 23:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC))
I'm not sure how you can mention Kibo not mention alt.fan.warlord. 71.88.105.254 ( talk) 18:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that this article lacks information about controversy of the signiature blocks. As clear from the Internet and even posts above, not all of the Internet community agrees that dashed sigs make sense. In fact while browsing the Internet I have recognized that there are people who claim that they change Thunderbird for another client because they do not want the dashes to appear in the message, and there is no simple way to drop them.
I would say that some people feel a sort of "fighting passion" for having the signature dashed (even in this thread it is clear from "Give up already!") while others have the same denying passion. Since these debates exist, it is not quite objective to have the article written in a tone like the dashed sigs follow the all-accepted standard - while I do have such impression when I read the article.
Would anyone more professional than me add a block to the article denoting the existing controversy? AntiPit ( talk) 04:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)AntiPit
To my knowledge the newline after the space is not required and there are a lot of people not using it. Especially when one just puts his/her name or first name after the '-- ' string. Some e-mail clients don't even care about (while others require a newline). However, the RFC calls it a separator line, so I'd say the newline would be correct. I think this kind of Signature should be mentioned, because it very present in USENET, mailing lists, etc. I think it is possibly related to quotes written like this.
I do not have any reference though. Maybe someone else knows on this topic. -- Athaba ( talk) 14:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the earlier sentiments that this article should describe the history and current status of signatures in e-mail, Usenet news postings, and other electronic media. Per WP:NPOV, we should report all verifiable, reliably sourced, non- fringe positions. We also need to avoid original research by attributing as much of the article as possible to good sources.
IMO, this includes describing the controversies over whether or not to use the Usenet "double-hyphen-plus-space" signature separator in e-mail.
I've tried to find reliable secondary sources for this subject, but without much success. Most available material is either in Internet RFCs (arguably primary sources rather than secondary), or in various blogs, forums, and other self-published sources normally not allowed in Wikipedia. Note that primary sources are not absolutely prohibited here, but they must be used sparingly and with care. The blog/forum postings might be useful as a means of documenting the controversy over whether people do or do not want to use the Usenet standard signature separator in e-mail.
I hope to do some cleanup work on this article in the near future, but any other suggestions would of course be welcome. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 20:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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Q: How can I make both of these examples scroll horizontally in a narrow mobile screen?
instead of this garb...
|\_/| **************************** (\_/) / @ @ \ * "Purrrfectly pleasant" * (='.'=) ( > º < ) * Poppy Prinz * (")_(") `>>x<<´ * (pprinz@example.com) * / O \ **************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Theodore Ts'o bloom-beacon!mit- athena!tytso 308 High St., Medford, MA 02155 ty...@athena.mit.edu Everybody's playing the game, but nobody's rules are the same!
The second one just chops off at right margin vice scrolling! --: GSMC(Chief Mike) Kouklis U.S.NAVY Ret. ⛮🇺🇸 / 🇵🇭🌴 ⍨talk 16:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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What does this mean? -- Maru (talk) Contribs 05:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll weigh in on the dynamic images: I don't know about P2P, but some forums I'm in have users who have stats from webservers as their avatar, and it updates automatically (i.e. number of users, etc - see an example, logo only) But I was originally wondering about the Forums section. It seems a little POV to me ("Those stupid teenagers...") Particularly describing teens as "posting mostly one-liner replies followed by really enormous signature blocks including blinking and scrolling text in odd fonts, and dozens of pictures of their favorite celebrities." and the part about "elaborately-constructed HTML and CSS monstrosities." Especially the former seems exaggerated, or worst-case-scenario. I have seen some bad ones, but few that are that bad. -- The Human Spellchecker 21:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The change in UK company law from the beginning of 2007 will significantly tighten up corporate use of email signatures (and make them rather long in the process). The Register states:
Companies in the UK must include certain regulatory information on their websites and in their email footers before 1 January 2007 or they will breach the Companies Act and risk a fine.
Every company should list its company registration number, place of registration, and registered office address on its website as a result of an update to the legislation of 1985. The information, which must be in legible characters, should also appear on order forms and in emails. Such information is already required on "business letters" but the duty is being extended to websites, order forms and electronic documents.
-- Ashley VH 14:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
magaly956 Magaly956$$ ( talk) 21:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Many can argue as a statement of fact- the vast majority of the world does not follow the guidelines described in this article.
Just about the only ones following these guidelines are from the "good ole usenet/bbs days". (or those with an email client that forces it... Thunderbird for instance.) While an argument can be made by the purists, the fact remains that the effectiveness of signature breaks has been greatly diminished. As time goes on, people are more often using html signatures. The "--" is visually ineffective as a separator. Most popular email programs do not suggest that as a separator. It's naive to think that the world will voluntarily change to this.
I know... blasphemy to some of you old school cats. Give up already! Time is *not* on your side.
-- 72.190.15.191 05:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The "--" is visually ineffective as a separator.
It may look like "--" but it's really "-- " (dash dash space newline), and email programs that understand and properly utilize it aid the user by automatically not including the signature in the quoted section of replies. Smart, nice and little to do with visual separation.
Darkphader 21:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we clean this up? I did some but it needs more. Most of the junk on here is not cited, and its simply what various people think signatures should be, or what they are used to on a particular forum or community they post on. The usenet/email section is woefully undercited as well.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 19:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Where did all the BBS stuff go (taglines)? I thought this was a dictionary, not a commentary on the contemporary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.147.182 ( talk) 22:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Who is Kibo and does that reference need to be left? I can't find any info about him/her. ( Photodeus ( talk) 23:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC))
I'm not sure how you can mention Kibo not mention alt.fan.warlord. 71.88.105.254 ( talk) 18:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that this article lacks information about controversy of the signiature blocks. As clear from the Internet and even posts above, not all of the Internet community agrees that dashed sigs make sense. In fact while browsing the Internet I have recognized that there are people who claim that they change Thunderbird for another client because they do not want the dashes to appear in the message, and there is no simple way to drop them.
I would say that some people feel a sort of "fighting passion" for having the signature dashed (even in this thread it is clear from "Give up already!") while others have the same denying passion. Since these debates exist, it is not quite objective to have the article written in a tone like the dashed sigs follow the all-accepted standard - while I do have such impression when I read the article.
Would anyone more professional than me add a block to the article denoting the existing controversy? AntiPit ( talk) 04:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)AntiPit
To my knowledge the newline after the space is not required and there are a lot of people not using it. Especially when one just puts his/her name or first name after the '-- ' string. Some e-mail clients don't even care about (while others require a newline). However, the RFC calls it a separator line, so I'd say the newline would be correct. I think this kind of Signature should be mentioned, because it very present in USENET, mailing lists, etc. I think it is possibly related to quotes written like this.
I do not have any reference though. Maybe someone else knows on this topic. -- Athaba ( talk) 14:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the earlier sentiments that this article should describe the history and current status of signatures in e-mail, Usenet news postings, and other electronic media. Per WP:NPOV, we should report all verifiable, reliably sourced, non- fringe positions. We also need to avoid original research by attributing as much of the article as possible to good sources.
IMO, this includes describing the controversies over whether or not to use the Usenet "double-hyphen-plus-space" signature separator in e-mail.
I've tried to find reliable secondary sources for this subject, but without much success. Most available material is either in Internet RFCs (arguably primary sources rather than secondary), or in various blogs, forums, and other self-published sources normally not allowed in Wikipedia. Note that primary sources are not absolutely prohibited here, but they must be used sparingly and with care. The blog/forum postings might be useful as a means of documenting the controversy over whether people do or do not want to use the Usenet standard signature separator in e-mail.
I hope to do some cleanup work on this article in the near future, but any other suggestions would of course be welcome. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 20:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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Q: How can I make both of these examples scroll horizontally in a narrow mobile screen?
instead of this garb...
|\_/| **************************** (\_/) / @ @ \ * "Purrrfectly pleasant" * (='.'=) ( > º < ) * Poppy Prinz * (")_(") `>>x<<´ * (pprinz@example.com) * / O \ **************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Theodore Ts'o bloom-beacon!mit- athena!tytso 308 High St., Medford, MA 02155 ty...@athena.mit.edu Everybody's playing the game, but nobody's rules are the same!
The second one just chops off at right margin vice scrolling! --: GSMC(Chief Mike) Kouklis U.S.NAVY Ret. ⛮🇺🇸 / 🇵🇭🌴 ⍨talk 16:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)