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I'm pretty sure calling him a corrupt politician is not the Wikipedia way... Please correct this.
This part seems to be in all but two guys at Category:Mauritanian politicians, is it a title like 'sir', is there a whole lot of nepotism going on, or is it a west african version of the al- or el- in Arabic? Chris 07:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Sidi is a masculine title of respect in Western Arabic. Unless it is part of his given name, we really need to remove it and revert to name only as per WP:MOS about honorifics- Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom doesn't have her queenly title, and Akihito isn't referred to imperially in his namespace. Chris 07:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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I don't mind most of the rewriting, and adding additional information is always good (if relevant and sourced), but I didn't understand the removal of the following sentence "Abdallahi was accused of engaging in corruption while serving in this post and was imprisoned". The source was mentioned in the article under the name <ref name=Sidi/>.
Additional sources for this information are [1], [2], [3] and [4]. We should have this according to Wikipedia policy. Debresser ( talk) 11:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC) BTW, this article is not acceptable as a source, since it is based in part on Wikipedia.
It seems that the sources mention corruption charges mostly. About the imprisonment I don't know. It seems to mention corruption in connection with his wife mostly. Frankly, I'm not an interested party, I just noticed the removal of sourced information and nothing else being mentioned on the subject. Somebody should look into it, rephrase the text according to the available sources, and put it in.
It is accepted to have a section called "Controversies" in Wikipedia articles. Of course, good sourcing and a neutral wording are prerequisites of such a section even more than usual. Debresser ( talk) 11:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you must be very careful not to apply western rules to African names. Your elimination of the the word "Ould" is incorrect as is your elimination of the title of "Sidi". Because of the repetition of naming in West African culture (and to an equal extent names in other Arab cultures) you have stripped Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi of his name and identity by calling him Mohamed Abdallahi - no one who knows anything about Mauritania would have the slightest clue to whom you are referring. The Mauritanians call Sidi Mohamed (his first name), just that or Ould Cheikh Abdallahi (his last name). I realize that it is cumbersome in the American/Western world to add all of these identifiers - however to refer to Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi as Mohamed Abdallahi is both confusing and incorrect and you will be referring more properly to some unknown relative of his.
The SON of Sidi Mohamed will be (if his name is Mohamed) Mohamed ould Sidi Mohamed Cheikh Abdallahi. Most precisely - this would be Mohamed (his given name - in the western sense), son of ("ould"), Sidi Mohamed - the family of Cheikh Abdallahi - which is a different family than that of Abdallahi.
Once again, if you wish to be correct, you must be careful not to apply western rules to African names. Calling Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi - Mohamed Abdallahi - is the same thought process that changed thousands of names on Ellis Island to generic "American" names. Mohamed Abdallahi is not the same person as Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi. Thunder2009 ( talk) 11:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure calling him a corrupt politician is not the Wikipedia way... Please correct this.
This part seems to be in all but two guys at Category:Mauritanian politicians, is it a title like 'sir', is there a whole lot of nepotism going on, or is it a west african version of the al- or el- in Arabic? Chris 07:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Sidi is a masculine title of respect in Western Arabic. Unless it is part of his given name, we really need to remove it and revert to name only as per WP:MOS about honorifics- Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom doesn't have her queenly title, and Akihito isn't referred to imperially in his namespace. Chris 07:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
This is to discuss the edits of Thunder2009 and the need to adher to neutral wording and reflect all information in a neutral way. This includes representing all significant information and views available from reliable sources. The latter stipulation (about reliable sources) is especially important in biographies of living persons. The relevant policy is located at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and also at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.
I don't mind most of the rewriting, and adding additional information is always good (if relevant and sourced), but I didn't understand the removal of the following sentence "Abdallahi was accused of engaging in corruption while serving in this post and was imprisoned". The source was mentioned in the article under the name <ref name=Sidi/>.
Additional sources for this information are [1], [2], [3] and [4]. We should have this according to Wikipedia policy. Debresser ( talk) 11:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC) BTW, this article is not acceptable as a source, since it is based in part on Wikipedia.
It seems that the sources mention corruption charges mostly. About the imprisonment I don't know. It seems to mention corruption in connection with his wife mostly. Frankly, I'm not an interested party, I just noticed the removal of sourced information and nothing else being mentioned on the subject. Somebody should look into it, rephrase the text according to the available sources, and put it in.
It is accepted to have a section called "Controversies" in Wikipedia articles. Of course, good sourcing and a neutral wording are prerequisites of such a section even more than usual. Debresser ( talk) 11:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you must be very careful not to apply western rules to African names. Your elimination of the the word "Ould" is incorrect as is your elimination of the title of "Sidi". Because of the repetition of naming in West African culture (and to an equal extent names in other Arab cultures) you have stripped Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi of his name and identity by calling him Mohamed Abdallahi - no one who knows anything about Mauritania would have the slightest clue to whom you are referring. The Mauritanians call Sidi Mohamed (his first name), just that or Ould Cheikh Abdallahi (his last name). I realize that it is cumbersome in the American/Western world to add all of these identifiers - however to refer to Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi as Mohamed Abdallahi is both confusing and incorrect and you will be referring more properly to some unknown relative of his.
The SON of Sidi Mohamed will be (if his name is Mohamed) Mohamed ould Sidi Mohamed Cheikh Abdallahi. Most precisely - this would be Mohamed (his given name - in the western sense), son of ("ould"), Sidi Mohamed - the family of Cheikh Abdallahi - which is a different family than that of Abdallahi.
Once again, if you wish to be correct, you must be careful not to apply western rules to African names. Calling Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi - Mohamed Abdallahi - is the same thought process that changed thousands of names on Ellis Island to generic "American" names. Mohamed Abdallahi is not the same person as Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi. Thunder2009 ( talk) 11:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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