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There are repetead vandalisms from some IP's, generally frustrated students from Sibiu. Please stop!!! Mabye a ban will be necessary. - Orioane 14:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Not to be written the Rumanian language nor the English. I am using an automatic translator. Pardon the herrores. Thanks.
The reason for this note is to ask so that they do not mention any the Esperanto language. Sibiu was, and is, very important for the esperantistas. Please they watch the plate of the wall in the photo. Thanks:
http://flickr.com/photos/kresve/38710067/in/set-865637/
The phrase "leaf shaped tower on the corners" is sitting here in a context where its meaning is unclear. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I finaly found the surface in square kilometers on Sibiu's page on the http://www.romaniatourism.com/ website. - Orioane 08:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the proper nae for the main saxon cathedral in Sibiu. I think Lutheran Protestant or simply Lutheran would be more apropriate, but the exact Romanian name is Evangelical. Any opinions? - Orioane 10:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Article Democratic Forum of Germans in Romania states: "Since the year 2000, the DFDR has won offices on both the local and regional levels. In Sibiu (De. Hermannstadt), the DFDR has held the office of mayor since 2000, and in 2004 it gained 60.43% of the vote in elections for the Lokalrat or city parliament. The DFDR holds 16 out of the 23 seats in the Sibiu Lokalrat, which gives it an absolute majority. In the District of Sibiu (around 450,000 residents), the DFDR has 11 of the 33 seats in the Kreisrat, where it is the strongest faction."
So my question is how in city where Germans compromise 1,6% of total population German party wons majority vote?! I hope somebody can clear this up. Luka Jačov 20:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Even more remarkable: he was re-elected with 88.7% of the votes -- possibly the largest percentage for any mayor of a large city (at least in Romania). In terms of German-Romanian relations, historically there have been quite good -- not only no major disputes, but also some Germans have supported the rights of Romanians in Transylvania (see Stephan Ludwig Roth). Eugen Ivan 09:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
A term that absolutely does not exist in English. I'm guessing that "humane studies" intends to say "Humanities", but I don't even have a guess on "real studies". - Jmabel | Talk 03:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I realize that someone in Romania who thinks they speak English wrote this page on Sibiu, because certain phrases just don't sound natural. When I tried changing them, someone quickly changed them back! What I mean: The Large Square and The Small Square are terrible translations, that's why I tried to use the word 'plaza' to make it more accessible for English speaking people.
Yeah, way to just pick out a fragment, of course that doesn't make sense on its own. And even if something is gramatically correct doesn't mean people talk that way.
Why is the Sibiu gallery at www.flickr.com deleted again and again. I've never inserted it (didn't visit this page before) but I can't see why it should not be included. It's relevant and of good quality 62.78.173.36 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
My impressions:
In short, I'd say this site is too "polluted" by someone's self-indulgent crap for me to think it is a good link. - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
How could something in Europe in 1551 be the world's first experiment with rockets? What about the Chinese? - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
"*2010 - 92 years after becoming part of Romania Sibiu is the last City of Europe enjoying permanent electricity" What's this permanent electricity non-sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.164.186 ( talk) 16:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
With all due respect, Dahn, I think this edit, removing country names because we have flags went exactly the wrong way. For one thing, any blind person using a voice browser cannot understand the flags at all, so you are making the site less accessible. For another, though, even for normally sighted people, presumably there are many people who would recognize the names of some of these countries but will not recognize there flags. This is a triumph of graphics over substance. - Jmabel | Talk 23:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to fight over this, but I am going to guess that (1) you have a high-speed connection, so "one click away" is never a big deal and (2) you never browse through something like telnet or puTTy, using a text-only browser like lynx. These are not universals. - Jmabel | Talk 00:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
A few days ago, I have changed "The Large Square" and "The Small Square" to their names in romanian ("Piaţa Mare" and "Piaţa Mică" squares). "Piaţa" means Square/Market in romanian and Mare=Big/Large , Mică=Small . I believe the direct translation from romanian to english is inadequate and people should stop changing the name in Romanian to silly translations. "Large Square" is a very bad term, as someone else has already mentioned, people may be changing that to "Plaza".
Please tell me what is so wrong in listing the original, romanian names for the squares or stop reverting edits.
Also, the revert caused a picture that I've commented to reappear. The picture was supposed to show Piaţa Mare square but all it showed was a closeup of some people drinking in the square at some beer fest. I've replaced the picture with a picture that shows how large the square actually is and I hope you will all agree it's much better than the old one.
I have requested and obtained a written permission from the author of the site, if that permission needs to be uploaded somewhere for proof, please let me know, I'm only a 1 week old wikipedian. Mariushm 07:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd just use Piaţa Mare and Piaţa Mică, possibly with parenthetical translation on first use: Piaţa Mare ("large square") and Piaţa Mică ("small square"). Definitely not Piaţa Mare Square, which, as Dahn correctly says, is effectively "Large Square Square".
By the way, assuming that you mean this photo, I took the photo, and your hypothesis is entirely incorrect: no one I know is in the picture. Since I was alone in a city I had never before visited, I can say this with certainty. I would suggest that you might assume good faith on the part of other contributors.
I happen to prefer the photo I took (which shows something of the life of the city) to yours (which makes the square look bare and abandoned), but I'm not going to fight about it. - Jmabel | Talk 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
How is it pronounced? According to this article, it's [si'biw], but in Sibiu County it's [si'bju]. Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.73.121 ( talk) 13:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
It appears Sibiu and Hermannstadt are both official names of the city; both names are used on public signs, and the official website of the city as European Capital of Culture lists the name of the city as "Sibiu – Hermannstadt" and "The City of Sibiu/Hermannstadt" [1]. For this reason, I think the name Hermannstadt should be bolded and treated differently than the names in various other languages (Serbian etc.). Urban XII ( talk) 19:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The city uses it officially, in interna communication on German. There exists an officially decision of the city council to use the Name Hermannstadt together with Sibiu. Anyway, definitely not only for Tourism purpose.-- Ickerbocker ( talk) 12:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, "Kingdom of Hungary, present-day Romania" is not clear. It anticipates, for readers who do no know the history of this area well, that the Kingdom of Hungary is now Romania. Transylvania was a "co-country" of Kingdom of Hungary, a seperate entity with high autonomy inside KoH (in some cases more tied to KoH some cases not). The list is showing that a lot of things were started in Sibiu, which were the firsts inside the complete KoH (and I think for Romania as well, as at that time it was Moldavia+Wallachia). My suggestion is to replace with "Kingdom of Hungary, (Transylvania is present-day Romania)". Abdulka ( talk) 10:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the section where it is claimed that Hahnemann visited Sibiu in 1797 and opened the word's first homeopathic laboratory there. What is the source of this claim? Hahnemann was in Sibiu in 1777, accompanying baron Samuel von Brukenthal to catalogue his huge book collection and act as unofficial physician. There is no proof that he was even thinking about homeopathy at this stage. I have checked with the curator of the Pharmacy Museum in Sibiu and she confirmed Hahnemann never opened a homeopathy laboratory there (he never returned to Sibiu after his short stay in his youth). Jo Esoteric ( talk) 18:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Andymxm,
are you serious? After you are adding the Romanian name of Békéscsaba ( [2]), and nobody removes it, although the Romanian population is about 0,5 %, and here, about 1,6 % Hungarians and 1,1% Germans you "deduce" that the Hungarian population is insignificant thus the Hungarian name should be removed because of "bilinguality", but the German can stay....
Sorry,
ad 1: significance here is not necessarily based on the percent of the population, but historical designation that is common in Transylvania related articles
ad 2: it has not any connection to "bilinguality" (!= other name), as similar holds for hundreds of other articles. Usually we show three main historical names, Romanian, German and Hungarian.
So there is no consensus for the removal.( KIENGIR ( talk) 20:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC))
Hello,
Why do you destroy the history of Sibiu? According to Britannica, Sibiu was built by the Saxon settlers initially existed as a Daco-Roman city called Cedonia. Are you trying to Hungarise everything, but in such way you are deleting the history of towns entirely? Like it started with Hungary? Christina ( talk) 13:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
All good now, Daco-Roman name mentioned, the Saxon settlers and king Geza of your Hungary. Better history. Christina ( talk) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I think the term is kind of meaningless — by definition, every city is cultural, in that they are the products of civilization. Looking through the List of cities and towns in Romania, how many of, let’s say, the first 50 would you not describe as “cultural”? Just a handful, I would guess.
The fact that Sibiu has a rich culture should be demonstrated through the text, not asserted in the opening sentence. - Biruitorul Talk 12:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I've made the following improvements to the sections:
1) I've changed "Climate" to a sub-section of "Geography" – most other city pages do that as well (see Prague and Brno for example).
2) Removed city districts from "Geography", added them to the new "Administration" section, where I've also integrated the "Politics" section.
3) Changed section order by putting "Tourism" and "Culture" at #4 and #5, since they are more representative for Sibiu and include the European Capital of Culture part. The same (or similar) section orders are used on many different city articles too, like Ruse, Prague and Brno
4) Added new "International relations" section where I've integrated "Twin towns" and "Consulates".
Further changes I am going to make:
If you disagree with the changes I've made, please write here instead of simply undoing my edit. Thanks! Lupishor ( talk) 19:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Lupshor, in a recent edit, added "Sibiu's culture has been compared to that of Paris, its romance to that of Venice and Rome and its picturesqueness to that of Prague and Santorini." This is credited to European Best Destinations, which says about itself on its About page that it "work[s] with major tourism offices in Europe". That is, it is a promotion office, clearly not an independent source. In any case, language like that is inherently puffery, even if it came from a third-party guidebook, say.
Lupshor also added the claim that a manuscript says that "the first ever rocket launch in Europe took place in Sibiu in 1555", footnoting this claim to [4], which gives as a timeline item "Conrad Haas experimentează prima rachetă în trepte din lume" -- that's a very weak source for a strong claim. He also footnotes an article in Ancient Origins, which not only does not say that Haas launched a rocket, but that "the first liquid-fueled rocket didn’t become a reality until 16 March 1926". In any case, we have a full Conrad Haas article with detail on this.
We need to be careful on Wikipedia to stick to reliable, third-party sources and reflect what they say soberly and without "enthusiasm" or puffery. -- Macrakis ( talk) 21:13, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@Lupishor are you sure that section belongs in the intro paragraphs of the article? I would put them in the economy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sniffitz ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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There are repetead vandalisms from some IP's, generally frustrated students from Sibiu. Please stop!!! Mabye a ban will be necessary. - Orioane 14:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Not to be written the Rumanian language nor the English. I am using an automatic translator. Pardon the herrores. Thanks.
The reason for this note is to ask so that they do not mention any the Esperanto language. Sibiu was, and is, very important for the esperantistas. Please they watch the plate of the wall in the photo. Thanks:
http://flickr.com/photos/kresve/38710067/in/set-865637/
The phrase "leaf shaped tower on the corners" is sitting here in a context where its meaning is unclear. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I finaly found the surface in square kilometers on Sibiu's page on the http://www.romaniatourism.com/ website. - Orioane 08:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the proper nae for the main saxon cathedral in Sibiu. I think Lutheran Protestant or simply Lutheran would be more apropriate, but the exact Romanian name is Evangelical. Any opinions? - Orioane 10:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Article Democratic Forum of Germans in Romania states: "Since the year 2000, the DFDR has won offices on both the local and regional levels. In Sibiu (De. Hermannstadt), the DFDR has held the office of mayor since 2000, and in 2004 it gained 60.43% of the vote in elections for the Lokalrat or city parliament. The DFDR holds 16 out of the 23 seats in the Sibiu Lokalrat, which gives it an absolute majority. In the District of Sibiu (around 450,000 residents), the DFDR has 11 of the 33 seats in the Kreisrat, where it is the strongest faction."
So my question is how in city where Germans compromise 1,6% of total population German party wons majority vote?! I hope somebody can clear this up. Luka Jačov 20:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Even more remarkable: he was re-elected with 88.7% of the votes -- possibly the largest percentage for any mayor of a large city (at least in Romania). In terms of German-Romanian relations, historically there have been quite good -- not only no major disputes, but also some Germans have supported the rights of Romanians in Transylvania (see Stephan Ludwig Roth). Eugen Ivan 09:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
A term that absolutely does not exist in English. I'm guessing that "humane studies" intends to say "Humanities", but I don't even have a guess on "real studies". - Jmabel | Talk 03:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I realize that someone in Romania who thinks they speak English wrote this page on Sibiu, because certain phrases just don't sound natural. When I tried changing them, someone quickly changed them back! What I mean: The Large Square and The Small Square are terrible translations, that's why I tried to use the word 'plaza' to make it more accessible for English speaking people.
Yeah, way to just pick out a fragment, of course that doesn't make sense on its own. And even if something is gramatically correct doesn't mean people talk that way.
Why is the Sibiu gallery at www.flickr.com deleted again and again. I've never inserted it (didn't visit this page before) but I can't see why it should not be included. It's relevant and of good quality 62.78.173.36 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
My impressions:
In short, I'd say this site is too "polluted" by someone's self-indulgent crap for me to think it is a good link. - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
How could something in Europe in 1551 be the world's first experiment with rockets? What about the Chinese? - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
"*2010 - 92 years after becoming part of Romania Sibiu is the last City of Europe enjoying permanent electricity" What's this permanent electricity non-sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.164.186 ( talk) 16:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
With all due respect, Dahn, I think this edit, removing country names because we have flags went exactly the wrong way. For one thing, any blind person using a voice browser cannot understand the flags at all, so you are making the site less accessible. For another, though, even for normally sighted people, presumably there are many people who would recognize the names of some of these countries but will not recognize there flags. This is a triumph of graphics over substance. - Jmabel | Talk 23:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to fight over this, but I am going to guess that (1) you have a high-speed connection, so "one click away" is never a big deal and (2) you never browse through something like telnet or puTTy, using a text-only browser like lynx. These are not universals. - Jmabel | Talk 00:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
A few days ago, I have changed "The Large Square" and "The Small Square" to their names in romanian ("Piaţa Mare" and "Piaţa Mică" squares). "Piaţa" means Square/Market in romanian and Mare=Big/Large , Mică=Small . I believe the direct translation from romanian to english is inadequate and people should stop changing the name in Romanian to silly translations. "Large Square" is a very bad term, as someone else has already mentioned, people may be changing that to "Plaza".
Please tell me what is so wrong in listing the original, romanian names for the squares or stop reverting edits.
Also, the revert caused a picture that I've commented to reappear. The picture was supposed to show Piaţa Mare square but all it showed was a closeup of some people drinking in the square at some beer fest. I've replaced the picture with a picture that shows how large the square actually is and I hope you will all agree it's much better than the old one.
I have requested and obtained a written permission from the author of the site, if that permission needs to be uploaded somewhere for proof, please let me know, I'm only a 1 week old wikipedian. Mariushm 07:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd just use Piaţa Mare and Piaţa Mică, possibly with parenthetical translation on first use: Piaţa Mare ("large square") and Piaţa Mică ("small square"). Definitely not Piaţa Mare Square, which, as Dahn correctly says, is effectively "Large Square Square".
By the way, assuming that you mean this photo, I took the photo, and your hypothesis is entirely incorrect: no one I know is in the picture. Since I was alone in a city I had never before visited, I can say this with certainty. I would suggest that you might assume good faith on the part of other contributors.
I happen to prefer the photo I took (which shows something of the life of the city) to yours (which makes the square look bare and abandoned), but I'm not going to fight about it. - Jmabel | Talk 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
How is it pronounced? According to this article, it's [si'biw], but in Sibiu County it's [si'bju]. Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.73.121 ( talk) 13:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
It appears Sibiu and Hermannstadt are both official names of the city; both names are used on public signs, and the official website of the city as European Capital of Culture lists the name of the city as "Sibiu – Hermannstadt" and "The City of Sibiu/Hermannstadt" [1]. For this reason, I think the name Hermannstadt should be bolded and treated differently than the names in various other languages (Serbian etc.). Urban XII ( talk) 19:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The city uses it officially, in interna communication on German. There exists an officially decision of the city council to use the Name Hermannstadt together with Sibiu. Anyway, definitely not only for Tourism purpose.-- Ickerbocker ( talk) 12:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, "Kingdom of Hungary, present-day Romania" is not clear. It anticipates, for readers who do no know the history of this area well, that the Kingdom of Hungary is now Romania. Transylvania was a "co-country" of Kingdom of Hungary, a seperate entity with high autonomy inside KoH (in some cases more tied to KoH some cases not). The list is showing that a lot of things were started in Sibiu, which were the firsts inside the complete KoH (and I think for Romania as well, as at that time it was Moldavia+Wallachia). My suggestion is to replace with "Kingdom of Hungary, (Transylvania is present-day Romania)". Abdulka ( talk) 10:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the section where it is claimed that Hahnemann visited Sibiu in 1797 and opened the word's first homeopathic laboratory there. What is the source of this claim? Hahnemann was in Sibiu in 1777, accompanying baron Samuel von Brukenthal to catalogue his huge book collection and act as unofficial physician. There is no proof that he was even thinking about homeopathy at this stage. I have checked with the curator of the Pharmacy Museum in Sibiu and she confirmed Hahnemann never opened a homeopathy laboratory there (he never returned to Sibiu after his short stay in his youth). Jo Esoteric ( talk) 18:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Andymxm,
are you serious? After you are adding the Romanian name of Békéscsaba ( [2]), and nobody removes it, although the Romanian population is about 0,5 %, and here, about 1,6 % Hungarians and 1,1% Germans you "deduce" that the Hungarian population is insignificant thus the Hungarian name should be removed because of "bilinguality", but the German can stay....
Sorry,
ad 1: significance here is not necessarily based on the percent of the population, but historical designation that is common in Transylvania related articles
ad 2: it has not any connection to "bilinguality" (!= other name), as similar holds for hundreds of other articles. Usually we show three main historical names, Romanian, German and Hungarian.
So there is no consensus for the removal.( KIENGIR ( talk) 20:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC))
Hello,
Why do you destroy the history of Sibiu? According to Britannica, Sibiu was built by the Saxon settlers initially existed as a Daco-Roman city called Cedonia. Are you trying to Hungarise everything, but in such way you are deleting the history of towns entirely? Like it started with Hungary? Christina ( talk) 13:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
All good now, Daco-Roman name mentioned, the Saxon settlers and king Geza of your Hungary. Better history. Christina ( talk) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I think the term is kind of meaningless — by definition, every city is cultural, in that they are the products of civilization. Looking through the List of cities and towns in Romania, how many of, let’s say, the first 50 would you not describe as “cultural”? Just a handful, I would guess.
The fact that Sibiu has a rich culture should be demonstrated through the text, not asserted in the opening sentence. - Biruitorul Talk 12:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I've made the following improvements to the sections:
1) I've changed "Climate" to a sub-section of "Geography" – most other city pages do that as well (see Prague and Brno for example).
2) Removed city districts from "Geography", added them to the new "Administration" section, where I've also integrated the "Politics" section.
3) Changed section order by putting "Tourism" and "Culture" at #4 and #5, since they are more representative for Sibiu and include the European Capital of Culture part. The same (or similar) section orders are used on many different city articles too, like Ruse, Prague and Brno
4) Added new "International relations" section where I've integrated "Twin towns" and "Consulates".
Further changes I am going to make:
If you disagree with the changes I've made, please write here instead of simply undoing my edit. Thanks! Lupishor ( talk) 19:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Lupshor, in a recent edit, added "Sibiu's culture has been compared to that of Paris, its romance to that of Venice and Rome and its picturesqueness to that of Prague and Santorini." This is credited to European Best Destinations, which says about itself on its About page that it "work[s] with major tourism offices in Europe". That is, it is a promotion office, clearly not an independent source. In any case, language like that is inherently puffery, even if it came from a third-party guidebook, say.
Lupshor also added the claim that a manuscript says that "the first ever rocket launch in Europe took place in Sibiu in 1555", footnoting this claim to [4], which gives as a timeline item "Conrad Haas experimentează prima rachetă în trepte din lume" -- that's a very weak source for a strong claim. He also footnotes an article in Ancient Origins, which not only does not say that Haas launched a rocket, but that "the first liquid-fueled rocket didn’t become a reality until 16 March 1926". In any case, we have a full Conrad Haas article with detail on this.
We need to be careful on Wikipedia to stick to reliable, third-party sources and reflect what they say soberly and without "enthusiasm" or puffery. -- Macrakis ( talk) 21:13, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@Lupishor are you sure that section belongs in the intro paragraphs of the article? I would put them in the economy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sniffitz ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)