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I have little problem with stating "three Republican judges", but it would be much better to instead just name/link the judges. Sherurcij ( talk) ( bounties) 17:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a guess, but shouldn't she be listed as fluent in English as well? Easytoremember 12:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is a interview she had with Alex Jones: www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706insidejob.htm], it should be added to the article. -- Striver 09:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In that 2006 Alex Jones interview she states: "I have all the evidence of cover-up. Now, who were the people behind this? And why? And how? We don't have a definite answer." but didn't have as much information as she does now. For example, she proclaims several times that she is not just a Truther but "every kind of Truther" referring to 9-11, Oklahoma City, Boston, Gladio B, etc false flag events in the YouTube video #R9K5I8SIwoM 'Glenn Greenwald, NSA Documents & Checkbook Journalism - BFP Roundtable #02' (Dec 19, 2013) {Boiling Frogs Post}. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about Sibel Edmonds and what she discovered on 9/11 conspiracy theories? -- Espoo ( talk) 10:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
She does not believe in the 9/11 conspiracies. People have said it to either say she's just a conspiracy theorist, and people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy believe she agrees with them. She's never mentioned these theories, and, besides, it can't be in the article without a source. 69.220.2.188 ( talk) 01:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Her relation to 9-11 is limited to her helping the Farsi translator make his allegations known - as far as I have seen. She was asked to appear before the 9-11 commission, to talk about, she conjectures, Saudi Arabia and Turkey (see Ohio Elections deposition, page 44 and following), but since she was prevented from appearing, she doesn't know what they wanted. In the Alex Jones interview cited above, she does say that a domestic conspiracy wouldn't surprise her, but that is clearly an opinion, and based probably on the amount of duplicity and cover-up that she feels she experienced in her own case, and, of course, the experience of the Farsi translator in her office. His story began before she worked there, since she started work after 9-11. ( Martin | talk • contribs 16:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Given that she has now published this story on her own website, detailing quite clearly her role in at least whistle blowing about ignored 'foreknowledge of 9/11' - http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/02/01/the-fbi-%E2%80%9Ckamikaze-pilots%E2%80%9D-case/ - isn't it time to revisit this position? Utunga ( talk)
Nice! I see that any mention of her own statement that she translated while working at the FBI a statement that
And furthermore her own statement that Edmonds (along with other agents) according to her own statements, reported this information internally at the FBI but, according to Edmonds, and that no one at the bureau ever asked for follow-ups or further information prior to 9/11 [1]
I just think its AWWESOME that this has now been removed from the page completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utunga ( talk • contribs) 05:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
According to a page on her own website: FBI & Kamikaze Pilots Ms. Edmonds had no professional role as a translator in the matter concerning the Iranian asset and his interview with FBI agents. She was told about the matter by another translator. Thus the claims that had been made in this article that she translated documents about 9/11 warnings were false. This point is reiterated by her specifically in a legal deposition:
"Q: Now, one of the other entries indicates, it says 911 For Knowledge, and I'll just read it. It says, "She claims that the FBI received information in April 2001 from a reliable Iranian intelligence asset that Osama bin Ladin was planning attacks on four to five cities with planes. Some of the people were already in the country, and the attacks would happen in a few months."
Did you -- did you make that claim?
A: I took the language specialist, Farsi speaking language specialist, senior language specialist from the Iranian Division, Farsi Division, FBI, Washington field office, who worked right next to me, to the 9/11 Commission and Inspector General's Office, and he testified on this.
He informed me and he showed me this translator Bekru (phonetic) Sharsahr, and there are documents out there that he went to
page 67
the Inspector General's Office. He gave them the documents, the translated documents on the Iranians. I was not part of that translation. I was not involved. After I left the FBI because I was witness to that department, what they had obtained, I just facilitated Mr. Sharshar's meeting with 9/11 Commission and also with the Glenn Fine, Department of Justice Inspector General's Office, and I put him in touch with the members of media. But that's my only involvement with that Iranian case.
Q: Do you believe that that's why the 9/11 -- the families of the 9/11 victims wanted to get your testimony in connection with their case?
A: I am not sure because as far as I knew, it had to do with the government of Saudi Arabia and the Saudi Arabian financial institutions. I was not told anything about Iranian case."
http://ariwatch.com/Links/SibelEdmondsDeposition2009.htm (page 68)
This should establish the facts on this specific issue. Batvette ( talk) 09:43, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
So you are acknowledging that my edit was correct because the link was broken? Do you expect wiki users to have to use a web archive service to check links? As for the content it was blatantly false it implies she was a translator BEFORE 9/11 and testified as such to some imaginary pre-9/11 hearings. Dont you see how wrong that is? Here are some basic facts: Ms. Edmunds didnt work for the FBI until after 9/11.
Does she have a personal homepage?-- Pejman47 11:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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James S. 09:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Edmonds’ complaint included allegations of illegal activities by Turkish organizations and their agents
I thought they included allegations of illegal activities by Israeli organizations and their agents as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.82.93 ( talk) 04:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
She also has Boiling Frogs Post and NewsBud. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Entire first paragraph stolen from the web. Look at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/topics/Sibel%20Edmonds. Copied word for word. Woodsstock 12:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Sibel Edmonds is not Turkish American, she was born in Iran like her parents. She lived for a few years in Istanbul and can speak Turkish, that does not make her a Turk. Orrin_73
Orrin_73 has intentionally changed the page twice now - apparently for his own purposes - without any supporting evidence. Please check any and all articles relating to Sibel Edmonds. Orrin_73's posting is erroneous and misleading, and if he changes it again, he should be barred from Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aajeffersonian ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Aajeffersonian you are an ignorant bigot! You are the one putting erroneous and misleading information in wikipedia, if anyone should be banned thats you. You have no guts to answer my comments, she is no Turkish american. Edmonds is born in iran, she lived for a few years in Turkey. Are you by any chance armenian or greek? Orrin_73
I am Matthew Edmonds, Sibel Edmonds' husband of 15 years, and would like to put this issue to rest. Sibel's birth cetificate was issued by the "Republic of Turkey", as was her passport before she became a U.S. citizen. Orrin_73 has it exactly backwards; rather than, as he claims, being an Iranian who lived a few years in Turkey, Sibel is a Turk, who lived a few years in Iran. Over the years we have traveled many, many times to Turkey, visiting her Turkish family and friends, and making many new Turkish friends of our own. It is wonderful country, full of natural beauty, history, and the most generous, friendly people one could ever hope to meet, and Sibel is understandably very proud of her Turkish heritage.
Orrin_73 is apparently Turkish, and I can't understand why he & other like-minded Turks try to brand her as somehow being "un-Turkish". Criminals & corruption exist in all countries & all governments - neither the United States nor Turkey is exempt. When, because of what Sibel has experienced and what she has done to try to bring the corruption & criminals to light, her case points to corruption & criminality by U.S. citizens, she is viewed in the U.S. as the heroic patriot that she is - not as being un-American. Why is it then, that when this same information points to corruption & criminality of some Turkish persons, those such as Orrin_73 try to brand her as un-Turkish, or by some, even as a traitor to Turkey? Do they condone corruption & criminality by Turks?
Lmedmonds 17:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think that during 15 years of marriage that would have been addressed? We had to present her birth certificate to get married. She had to present proof of her nationality to apply for U.S. citizenship. Of course she considers herself Turkish because she is Turkish.
Lmedmonds 18:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Because this is somewhat controversial, it would be helpful if you can provide some evidence that you are actually Sibel's husband Matthew. I don't mean this as an insult, but we have had impersonators in the past. Would it be possible to make some sort of posting on your official website? Thank you. DS 19:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not insulted, it just seems a little strange having to prove who I am, but I understand, I'm sure there are millions of guys out there who would love to be Sibel's husband and might engage in a little fantasy by posting here. I don't have a website of my own - never had a need - but Sibel does have a website "justacitizen.com" that I could post a message on. Would that be sufficient proof? Lmedmonds 19:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I have just posted a link on the front page of "justacitizen.com" that reads "March 16, 2007: Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American by Matthew Edmonds, which links to the "Kill The Messenger" trailer. I will leave the posting up until tomorrow. This should give all concerned sufficient proof of my identity. Lmedmonds 01:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
To MattWright: I believe your skepticism is a little overblown, and I don't really follow your logic. Are you saying that you don't believe that justacitizen.com is Sibel's site? Or is it that you believe a person having the ability to post to that site would be someone else? You say that anyone could have waited for the latest post to go up - but who would have wanted to post the identical message to the site that I gave here - do you think that it is by "accident" that the latest posting on justacitizen.com says "Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American", with my name (when no other postings on the site carry my name) and only links to a page that already has links to it (Kill The Messenger)? Why would Sibel or the legitimate Matthew post such a strange and unnecessary message on the front page - except just for verification? And your rationale for verification by just creating a page stating that I am who I am & waiting for others to verify it doesn't make sense to me - who is going to verify that & what are they going to use to verify it? Anyone who has the ability to post "March 16, 2007: Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American by Matthew Edmonds" on justacitizen.com can just as easily create the page you are suggesting. It seems my posting is a more solid verification. What am I missing?
I am now going to modify the posting on justacitizen.com by adding "--" between Turkish & American" (currently there is just a space)- there would NO rationale for anyone to do that, so you certainly cannot believe that someone waited for that to happen & then posted this message, and if that isn't enough verification for you I will be truly puzzled. Lmedmonds 01:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Matt: Thanks. This is the first time I have ever had to prove that I am who I say I am, so I might have been a little testy. I do understand your point - my point was that my posting was so specifically addressed to the issue that it would not have been posted for any other reason. But glad we're now on the same page. Hopefully this won't come up again. It is unfortunate that some misguided person tried to make an issue of it. I am now going to remove the posting from justacitizen.com, since it is rather silly & we have gotten some inquiries as to why it is there. Lmedmonds 02:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I figure I might as well join the fun here. Under the "Early life and education" section it states, "The daughter of an Azerbaijani doctor..." Is this her father or her mother? If father, then her mother is a Turk? Or vice versa? Does that mean she is Azerbaijani-Turkish-American? If so, then we need to update her "ethnogeographic identity." Also, it states that she is fluent in "Azeri." As far as I can tell, looking through Wiki, there is no such specific language. Is this referring to the "Azerbaijani" language or the "Old Azari" language ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeri_language)? Of course, the entire section is unsourced, so maybe none of this is accurate. Mr. Edmunds, perhaps you can shed some light on all of this? Or maybe somebody has a decent source... Tubbyty ( talk) 20:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way, folks: often an easier way to do this when there is a site involved is for someone to email _to_ an address posted on that site, and have a response come back including the email initially sent and saying "yes, such-and-such on Wikipedia is me." - 69.17.114.183 ( talk) 06:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
When you say she is a "Turkish-American" you're trying to imply that she is from Turkey. How is she from Turkey, seriously? She's an Iranian-Azeri, making her an Iranian-American. Just because she lived in Turkey, doesn't mean that she is Turkish. And just because she's an Azeri doesn't mean that she is Turkish either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.5.148 ( talk) 17:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
You should read above where her husband mentions her Turkish birth certificate. I know, reading the related discussion, which has been here since early 2007 can be a pain, but it's worth it. Erasedgod ( talk) 22:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.
This entire article could be removed as worthless if all the controversial information that is missing references was removed as very little other than her name and DOB would remain. Even whole sections referring exclusively to the content of a single public document have no source for that document. Seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attriti0n ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 19 June 2007
Betcha $5 that not only will one of the networks take up Sibel on her dare, but we'll get a barrage of traffic related to it when it happens. q.v. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5197 ~Kylu ( u| t) 00:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.211.130 ( talk) 21:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
“I cannot discuss the details considering the gag orders,” she said, “but I reported all these activities to the US Congress, the inspector general of the justice department and the 9/11 commission. I told them all about what was contained in this case file number, which the FBI is now denying exists.
“This gag was invoked not to protect sensitive diplomatic relations but criminal activities involving US officials who were endangering US national security.”
Is that any better?
To add to article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece . Badagnani ( talk) 09:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
"US journalists ignore Sunday Times scoop on FBI nuclear scandal" from a Guardian columnist. MilesAgain ( talk) 21:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I found the following extremely interesting:
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: .... White House now wants Congress to approve sales of nuclear technology to Turkey
Warning! This is a fairly long post that could be regarded by some as inflammatory and blatantly political. It is. It is also however, directly related to issues of nuclear non-proliferation and security against radiological terrorism - both topics which have been discussed extensively on this list. All of the topics touched on in this post can be further researched on the internet so I have left out most of the background material in the interest of brevity. Those wanting more information and references can find them very easily. I freely admit the fact of my own fallability and that of my sources. Where I am wrong, please have the courtesy to correct me.
*[Message to the Congress of the United States http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/01/20080123-6.html]
Comments: Consider the following:
1) "The Agreement was signed on July 26, 2000, and President Clinton ... U.S. agencies received information that called into question the conclusions that had been drawn in the required NPAS and the original classified annex, specifically, information implicating Turkish private entities in certain activities directly relating to nuclear proliferation."
Note during this time frame, the FBI was investigating the American Turkish Council (ATC) and other individuals and companies in regard to the alleged smuggling of nuclear technology. Sibel Edmonds has claimed that she was hired to translate some of the wire taps from this investigation and that they implicated high US officials, including members of congress in what would appear to be acts of treason. Since testifying before Congress and the 9-11 Commission, she has been under a "State Secrets Privilege" gag order. Both Congress and the FBI IG's office have stated that Edmonds claims are credible.
On the ATC, (from Wikipedia): "According to its 2005 annual report, current American-Turkish Council (ATC) board members include:
ATC's advisory board also includes representatives of a number of high- powered defense, pharmaceutical, consulting, and technology firms, including General Atomics, BAE Systems, Motorola, and the Cohen Group (Marc Grossman's current employer. cjb) Daniel Pipes is a former ATC board member.
Growing media scrutiny of the ATC is a result of allegations made by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds regarding suspect activities of council members in an article in the September 2005 Vanity Fair. The ATC is where former Ambassador Joseph Wilson met his future wife and CIA operative, Valerie Plame, leading some to speculate Plame's CIA front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, was monitoring the same alleged nuclear trafficking of the ATC as Sibel Edmonds."
2) "My Administration has completed the NPAS review as well as an evaluation of actions taken by the Turkish government to address the proliferation activities of certain Turkish entities (once officials of the U.S. Government brought them to the Turkish government's attention)."
Considering this administration's connections with many of the ATC board members, and its role in the outing of Valerie Plame and the fictitious front company she worked for, Brewster-Jennings, what value is its assertion that Turkey's corrective actions have been adequate to ensure protection of US nuclear secrets?
3) "the members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission are confident that the pertinent issues have been sufficiently resolved and that there is a sufficient basis ... to proceed with congressional review of the Agreement and, if legislation is not enacted to disapprove it, to bring the Agreement into force."
One need only review the Commission's "Increased Controls" (ICs) requirements for materials licensees, and other actions regarding security of by-product material to realize that their confidence that the "pertinent issues have been sufficiently resolved" should inspire none in the rest of us. Remember, four of the five commissioners were formerly congressional aides, the other a former DOD official.
4) Congress must act in order to stop this agreement from taking effect. Hopefully there are enough members uncompromised by the ATC-AIPAC-BCCI- Edmonds-Plame scandals (yes, they are all connected!) to prevent rewarding the illegal proliferation of nuclear secrets by legitimizing it.
END OF POST
MilesAgain ( talk) 14:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting to note that the link does not work: you cannot get into the 'briefing room' documents except through the 'front door', and need to re-specify the search criteria for the document you want. It then politely replies - nothing found. Attempting to use Google (advanced) to search the site is fruitless. Our institutions are failing us. ( Martin | talk • contribs 17:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
The text you post refers to her 'testimony before the 9-11 commission". Yet in her Ohio Election deposition, she recounts an occasion when she was prevented from so testifying. When did she (get to) testify? ( Martin | talk • contribs 17:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Why is their nothing in this article mentioning AIPAC case? See here: " Sibel Edmonds Case: the untellable story of AIPAC" (watch the videos) and here: " Found in Translation" 86.133.26.209 ( talk) 15:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed a series of unsourced since 2007 allegations under litigation. Please do not add these back without proper sourcing. [[User:Ed Wood's Wig|]] ( talk) 13:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
This section may contain information not
important or relevant to the article's subject. (August 2009) |
These questions: (did she make these allegations before or after she was fired? Were they part of why she was fired?) have been answered in the last sentence of the prior paragraph. I assume that the answers were added in response to the warning box, but the person did not remove the box. ( Martin | talk • contribs 09:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
"she claims that managers retaliated against her.[citation needed]"
If the question is who it was who retaliated, viz. not her managers, then [citation needed] could be restored to the text, but I suggest it be put next to the word "managers", for clarity. ( Martin | talk • contribs 18:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC))
I made a citation to the DC Appeals in which she presents her version of the events. I suppose that one could ask whether there is a reference to be found to this position prior to her firing, as a strict reading of the sentence might require. I don't think that that is the significant question in her case, unless one's thought is that her position was constructed after the firing as a way to get back pay or something. A possibility, I suppose. If that is the issue, possibly I could look again. But it won't be as nice as a court document. ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
Or else, just switch the order of the two sentences. ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)) Switched the order of the two sentences. It is probably logically better that way anyway... ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
The sentence
Edmonds has made a series of allegations regarding the incompetent and possibly subversive operation of the FBI translation unit was changed to Edmonds has made a series of allegations with the reasoning that one should not assert either the truth or the falsity of the allegations. (per comment in History)
Would it be better to use the word 'alleged' rather than 'possibly'? Is that the problem? The allegations are there. They seem to fall into the two classes:
( Martin | talk • contribs 00:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
The 'summary of changes' field helps when one is reviewing history, to find when something changed. An editor may, of course, also note on the discussion page, what thinking, or criticism, or suggestion, motivates the change, so that others can either agree and cooperate, or be more to the point if they have a different thought. Deletion of paragraphs, without discussion, seems abrupt to me, especially on this topic of substantial national interest. I am sure you agree. :-) ( Martin | talk • contribs 09:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Bradblog.com is not a reliable source for the material it supported. I have semi-protected the page to prevent further violations of our policy on biographies of living people. Tom Harrison Talk 12:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Update: Unprotected Sibel Edmonds: unprotected per WP:RFPP, poor explanation of protection given.
The bulk of the article deals with the fallout from allegations Edmonds made in the early 2000s; this is what she's notable for. The BradBlog-hosted 'deposition' is a very new set of statements (2009). Now that we have a summary of her allegations, there's the question of when she made each one, including any changes in the amount of information she has revealed over time. If anything about her recent statements is to remain in the article, then it needs to be made more clear exactly when she first revealed each detail of each allegation. Thanks. — mjb ( talk) 21:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I will take a look at all the references in the article and try to sort that out. I am thinking to try a few ways on my talk page, and see which anyone if any people like. Probably take a few days - Sept 13th? Of course the reason her allegations have come out spread out in time, I think, is that she has been so limited in what she was allowed to say, and only now, after Bush has gone, was she allowed to testify under oath without the state secrets objection being raised.( Martin | talk • contribs 03:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC))
I am surprised by your thoughts above, among which are
Am I characterizing your thoughts accurately? ( Martin | talk • contribs 07:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC))
( Martin | talk • contribs 08:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC))
Here is a
timeline from 2005 on the ACLU site, and you can see how many of the events in the story so far have been to suppress her allegations.
It would be ironic if Wikipedia decided to participate in this suppression. (
Martin |
talk •
contribs
08:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC))
My computer has crashed, so I am out of business for a bit. ( Martin | talk • contribs 10:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
Couple new Philip Giraldi articles have more info on what she has revealed, in case anyone wants to add: antiwar.com and Am. Conservative. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 23:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously it is the allegations Edmonds has made that make her notable. The section could make that a bit clearer including with more refs from the various high level WP:RS that have covered her story. I'll get around to it unless someone else does first. So don't go removing it :-) CarolMooreDC ( talk) 16:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Ethnic categories are placed based on the person's origin regardless of whether s/he identifies him/herself as such or is it just one of her parents who does. Catherine Zeta-Jones' mother was Irish and her father Welsh; both 'Irish' and 'Welsh' are listed as her origin in the article about her. Parishan ( talk) 06:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
From http://www.pageonelit.com/interviews/KGMowla.html "He went to present Bangladesh in 1964 and became Pakistani. Khondakar became Bangladeshi in 1971. Since June 1993 Khondakar says he is "American by heart. So imagine that I was born as British Indian, than in 1947 India, in 1964 Pakistani and in 1971 Bangladesh and now I think myself as American. "
Someone who changes his identity like a used gum is not reliable source in someone elses identity. I'm not even going to comment on the garbage 9/11 conspiracy link you added. Urvakan 7/06/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urvakan ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
A couple of the statements in this section appear to be at odds with each other. This statement: "The account centered around her post-9/11 role as translator of a pre-9/11 interview during which an informant had told the FBI agents" appears to indicate she is performing a translation of a pre 9/11 interview post 9/11. This statement "The agents, along with Edmonds, reported this information internally at the FBI but, according to Edmonds, no one at the bureau ever asked for follow-ups or further information prior to 9/11", then appears to suggest that she was translating this prior to 9/11. The sited source indicates that she is translating this interview pre-9/11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjohnson06 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The link is to a Huff Post article, which itself links to "The American Conservative" - there is no link to the ACLU. A search of the ACLU website for "Sibel Edmonds gagged" finds 4 documents - https://www.aclu.org/search/sibel%20edmonds%20gagged - none of which include the claim.-- Aloysius the Gaul ( talk) 00:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
The second part of this paragraph is unreferenced, here are two potential refs: ref 1, ref 2. How best to describe what is said about Israel, 'illicit activities' is vague. Edmonds purports to have insight into US, Israeli, Turkish relations. Jonpatterns ( talk) 23:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps just remove the part about Israel altogether because the article isnt about Israel, and replace the content with elaboration of what the crimes were. Its current state, in a section which repeatedly mentions 9/11 makes it too easy to suggest a 9/11 conspiracy by Israel. Batvette ( talk) 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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I'd like to see reference to Sibel Edmonds' frequent appearances on the Corbett Report with James Corbett (journalist), as well as content about Newsbud, the alt media project she is founding. I tried to add material that could have been improved but it was simply deleted. I'd also like to see a Wikipedia page about the Corbett Report and or James Corbett (journalist). After over a decade I tried to create my first page and it was deleted before I was finished. I feel his material and clear contextualization is too important to be ignored even if I am not. JasonCarswell ( talk) 15:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Please give me feed back and help me finish this: /info/en/?search=Draft:James_Corbett_(journalist) JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm surprised that NewsBud has not been mentioned. I'd be happy to help write/research/edit/etc but need guidance as with The Corbett Report. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Because this page seemed long and confusing I started reorganizing a bit. I made the subject titles more consistent and clumped some of the 9/11 and Turkey paragraphs together without editing any content. Then I realized that maybe I shouldn't. I don't know if that was good or not. I thought it was helpful but I don't know if it has to be chronological or something. I hope someone might give me a word to let my OCD organize Talk Pages or not. Thanks in advance. JasonCarswell ( talk) 08:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have little problem with stating "three Republican judges", but it would be much better to instead just name/link the judges. Sherurcij ( talk) ( bounties) 17:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a guess, but shouldn't she be listed as fluent in English as well? Easytoremember 12:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is a interview she had with Alex Jones: www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706insidejob.htm], it should be added to the article. -- Striver 09:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In that 2006 Alex Jones interview she states: "I have all the evidence of cover-up. Now, who were the people behind this? And why? And how? We don't have a definite answer." but didn't have as much information as she does now. For example, she proclaims several times that she is not just a Truther but "every kind of Truther" referring to 9-11, Oklahoma City, Boston, Gladio B, etc false flag events in the YouTube video #R9K5I8SIwoM 'Glenn Greenwald, NSA Documents & Checkbook Journalism - BFP Roundtable #02' (Dec 19, 2013) {Boiling Frogs Post}. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about Sibel Edmonds and what she discovered on 9/11 conspiracy theories? -- Espoo ( talk) 10:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
She does not believe in the 9/11 conspiracies. People have said it to either say she's just a conspiracy theorist, and people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy believe she agrees with them. She's never mentioned these theories, and, besides, it can't be in the article without a source. 69.220.2.188 ( talk) 01:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Her relation to 9-11 is limited to her helping the Farsi translator make his allegations known - as far as I have seen. She was asked to appear before the 9-11 commission, to talk about, she conjectures, Saudi Arabia and Turkey (see Ohio Elections deposition, page 44 and following), but since she was prevented from appearing, she doesn't know what they wanted. In the Alex Jones interview cited above, she does say that a domestic conspiracy wouldn't surprise her, but that is clearly an opinion, and based probably on the amount of duplicity and cover-up that she feels she experienced in her own case, and, of course, the experience of the Farsi translator in her office. His story began before she worked there, since she started work after 9-11. ( Martin | talk • contribs 16:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Given that she has now published this story on her own website, detailing quite clearly her role in at least whistle blowing about ignored 'foreknowledge of 9/11' - http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/02/01/the-fbi-%E2%80%9Ckamikaze-pilots%E2%80%9D-case/ - isn't it time to revisit this position? Utunga ( talk)
Nice! I see that any mention of her own statement that she translated while working at the FBI a statement that
And furthermore her own statement that Edmonds (along with other agents) according to her own statements, reported this information internally at the FBI but, according to Edmonds, and that no one at the bureau ever asked for follow-ups or further information prior to 9/11 [1]
I just think its AWWESOME that this has now been removed from the page completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utunga ( talk • contribs) 05:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
According to a page on her own website: FBI & Kamikaze Pilots Ms. Edmonds had no professional role as a translator in the matter concerning the Iranian asset and his interview with FBI agents. She was told about the matter by another translator. Thus the claims that had been made in this article that she translated documents about 9/11 warnings were false. This point is reiterated by her specifically in a legal deposition:
"Q: Now, one of the other entries indicates, it says 911 For Knowledge, and I'll just read it. It says, "She claims that the FBI received information in April 2001 from a reliable Iranian intelligence asset that Osama bin Ladin was planning attacks on four to five cities with planes. Some of the people were already in the country, and the attacks would happen in a few months."
Did you -- did you make that claim?
A: I took the language specialist, Farsi speaking language specialist, senior language specialist from the Iranian Division, Farsi Division, FBI, Washington field office, who worked right next to me, to the 9/11 Commission and Inspector General's Office, and he testified on this.
He informed me and he showed me this translator Bekru (phonetic) Sharsahr, and there are documents out there that he went to
page 67
the Inspector General's Office. He gave them the documents, the translated documents on the Iranians. I was not part of that translation. I was not involved. After I left the FBI because I was witness to that department, what they had obtained, I just facilitated Mr. Sharshar's meeting with 9/11 Commission and also with the Glenn Fine, Department of Justice Inspector General's Office, and I put him in touch with the members of media. But that's my only involvement with that Iranian case.
Q: Do you believe that that's why the 9/11 -- the families of the 9/11 victims wanted to get your testimony in connection with their case?
A: I am not sure because as far as I knew, it had to do with the government of Saudi Arabia and the Saudi Arabian financial institutions. I was not told anything about Iranian case."
http://ariwatch.com/Links/SibelEdmondsDeposition2009.htm (page 68)
This should establish the facts on this specific issue. Batvette ( talk) 09:43, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
So you are acknowledging that my edit was correct because the link was broken? Do you expect wiki users to have to use a web archive service to check links? As for the content it was blatantly false it implies she was a translator BEFORE 9/11 and testified as such to some imaginary pre-9/11 hearings. Dont you see how wrong that is? Here are some basic facts: Ms. Edmunds didnt work for the FBI until after 9/11.
Does she have a personal homepage?-- Pejman47 11:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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James S. 09:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Edmonds’ complaint included allegations of illegal activities by Turkish organizations and their agents
I thought they included allegations of illegal activities by Israeli organizations and their agents as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.82.93 ( talk) 04:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
She also has Boiling Frogs Post and NewsBud. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Entire first paragraph stolen from the web. Look at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/topics/Sibel%20Edmonds. Copied word for word. Woodsstock 12:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Sibel Edmonds is not Turkish American, she was born in Iran like her parents. She lived for a few years in Istanbul and can speak Turkish, that does not make her a Turk. Orrin_73
Orrin_73 has intentionally changed the page twice now - apparently for his own purposes - without any supporting evidence. Please check any and all articles relating to Sibel Edmonds. Orrin_73's posting is erroneous and misleading, and if he changes it again, he should be barred from Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aajeffersonian ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Aajeffersonian you are an ignorant bigot! You are the one putting erroneous and misleading information in wikipedia, if anyone should be banned thats you. You have no guts to answer my comments, she is no Turkish american. Edmonds is born in iran, she lived for a few years in Turkey. Are you by any chance armenian or greek? Orrin_73
I am Matthew Edmonds, Sibel Edmonds' husband of 15 years, and would like to put this issue to rest. Sibel's birth cetificate was issued by the "Republic of Turkey", as was her passport before she became a U.S. citizen. Orrin_73 has it exactly backwards; rather than, as he claims, being an Iranian who lived a few years in Turkey, Sibel is a Turk, who lived a few years in Iran. Over the years we have traveled many, many times to Turkey, visiting her Turkish family and friends, and making many new Turkish friends of our own. It is wonderful country, full of natural beauty, history, and the most generous, friendly people one could ever hope to meet, and Sibel is understandably very proud of her Turkish heritage.
Orrin_73 is apparently Turkish, and I can't understand why he & other like-minded Turks try to brand her as somehow being "un-Turkish". Criminals & corruption exist in all countries & all governments - neither the United States nor Turkey is exempt. When, because of what Sibel has experienced and what she has done to try to bring the corruption & criminals to light, her case points to corruption & criminality by U.S. citizens, she is viewed in the U.S. as the heroic patriot that she is - not as being un-American. Why is it then, that when this same information points to corruption & criminality of some Turkish persons, those such as Orrin_73 try to brand her as un-Turkish, or by some, even as a traitor to Turkey? Do they condone corruption & criminality by Turks?
Lmedmonds 17:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think that during 15 years of marriage that would have been addressed? We had to present her birth certificate to get married. She had to present proof of her nationality to apply for U.S. citizenship. Of course she considers herself Turkish because she is Turkish.
Lmedmonds 18:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Because this is somewhat controversial, it would be helpful if you can provide some evidence that you are actually Sibel's husband Matthew. I don't mean this as an insult, but we have had impersonators in the past. Would it be possible to make some sort of posting on your official website? Thank you. DS 19:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not insulted, it just seems a little strange having to prove who I am, but I understand, I'm sure there are millions of guys out there who would love to be Sibel's husband and might engage in a little fantasy by posting here. I don't have a website of my own - never had a need - but Sibel does have a website "justacitizen.com" that I could post a message on. Would that be sufficient proof? Lmedmonds 19:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I have just posted a link on the front page of "justacitizen.com" that reads "March 16, 2007: Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American by Matthew Edmonds, which links to the "Kill The Messenger" trailer. I will leave the posting up until tomorrow. This should give all concerned sufficient proof of my identity. Lmedmonds 01:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
To MattWright: I believe your skepticism is a little overblown, and I don't really follow your logic. Are you saying that you don't believe that justacitizen.com is Sibel's site? Or is it that you believe a person having the ability to post to that site would be someone else? You say that anyone could have waited for the latest post to go up - but who would have wanted to post the identical message to the site that I gave here - do you think that it is by "accident" that the latest posting on justacitizen.com says "Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American", with my name (when no other postings on the site carry my name) and only links to a page that already has links to it (Kill The Messenger)? Why would Sibel or the legitimate Matthew post such a strange and unnecessary message on the front page - except just for verification? And your rationale for verification by just creating a page stating that I am who I am & waiting for others to verify it doesn't make sense to me - who is going to verify that & what are they going to use to verify it? Anyone who has the ability to post "March 16, 2007: Sibel Edmonds, Turkish American by Matthew Edmonds" on justacitizen.com can just as easily create the page you are suggesting. It seems my posting is a more solid verification. What am I missing?
I am now going to modify the posting on justacitizen.com by adding "--" between Turkish & American" (currently there is just a space)- there would NO rationale for anyone to do that, so you certainly cannot believe that someone waited for that to happen & then posted this message, and if that isn't enough verification for you I will be truly puzzled. Lmedmonds 01:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Matt: Thanks. This is the first time I have ever had to prove that I am who I say I am, so I might have been a little testy. I do understand your point - my point was that my posting was so specifically addressed to the issue that it would not have been posted for any other reason. But glad we're now on the same page. Hopefully this won't come up again. It is unfortunate that some misguided person tried to make an issue of it. I am now going to remove the posting from justacitizen.com, since it is rather silly & we have gotten some inquiries as to why it is there. Lmedmonds 02:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I figure I might as well join the fun here. Under the "Early life and education" section it states, "The daughter of an Azerbaijani doctor..." Is this her father or her mother? If father, then her mother is a Turk? Or vice versa? Does that mean she is Azerbaijani-Turkish-American? If so, then we need to update her "ethnogeographic identity." Also, it states that she is fluent in "Azeri." As far as I can tell, looking through Wiki, there is no such specific language. Is this referring to the "Azerbaijani" language or the "Old Azari" language ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeri_language)? Of course, the entire section is unsourced, so maybe none of this is accurate. Mr. Edmunds, perhaps you can shed some light on all of this? Or maybe somebody has a decent source... Tubbyty ( talk) 20:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way, folks: often an easier way to do this when there is a site involved is for someone to email _to_ an address posted on that site, and have a response come back including the email initially sent and saying "yes, such-and-such on Wikipedia is me." - 69.17.114.183 ( talk) 06:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
When you say she is a "Turkish-American" you're trying to imply that she is from Turkey. How is she from Turkey, seriously? She's an Iranian-Azeri, making her an Iranian-American. Just because she lived in Turkey, doesn't mean that she is Turkish. And just because she's an Azeri doesn't mean that she is Turkish either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.5.148 ( talk) 17:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
You should read above where her husband mentions her Turkish birth certificate. I know, reading the related discussion, which has been here since early 2007 can be a pain, but it's worth it. Erasedgod ( talk) 22:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.
This entire article could be removed as worthless if all the controversial information that is missing references was removed as very little other than her name and DOB would remain. Even whole sections referring exclusively to the content of a single public document have no source for that document. Seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attriti0n ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 19 June 2007
Betcha $5 that not only will one of the networks take up Sibel on her dare, but we'll get a barrage of traffic related to it when it happens. q.v. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5197 ~Kylu ( u| t) 00:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.211.130 ( talk) 21:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
“I cannot discuss the details considering the gag orders,” she said, “but I reported all these activities to the US Congress, the inspector general of the justice department and the 9/11 commission. I told them all about what was contained in this case file number, which the FBI is now denying exists.
“This gag was invoked not to protect sensitive diplomatic relations but criminal activities involving US officials who were endangering US national security.”
Is that any better?
To add to article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece . Badagnani ( talk) 09:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
"US journalists ignore Sunday Times scoop on FBI nuclear scandal" from a Guardian columnist. MilesAgain ( talk) 21:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I found the following extremely interesting:
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: .... White House now wants Congress to approve sales of nuclear technology to Turkey
Warning! This is a fairly long post that could be regarded by some as inflammatory and blatantly political. It is. It is also however, directly related to issues of nuclear non-proliferation and security against radiological terrorism - both topics which have been discussed extensively on this list. All of the topics touched on in this post can be further researched on the internet so I have left out most of the background material in the interest of brevity. Those wanting more information and references can find them very easily. I freely admit the fact of my own fallability and that of my sources. Where I am wrong, please have the courtesy to correct me.
*[Message to the Congress of the United States http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/01/20080123-6.html]
Comments: Consider the following:
1) "The Agreement was signed on July 26, 2000, and President Clinton ... U.S. agencies received information that called into question the conclusions that had been drawn in the required NPAS and the original classified annex, specifically, information implicating Turkish private entities in certain activities directly relating to nuclear proliferation."
Note during this time frame, the FBI was investigating the American Turkish Council (ATC) and other individuals and companies in regard to the alleged smuggling of nuclear technology. Sibel Edmonds has claimed that she was hired to translate some of the wire taps from this investigation and that they implicated high US officials, including members of congress in what would appear to be acts of treason. Since testifying before Congress and the 9-11 Commission, she has been under a "State Secrets Privilege" gag order. Both Congress and the FBI IG's office have stated that Edmonds claims are credible.
On the ATC, (from Wikipedia): "According to its 2005 annual report, current American-Turkish Council (ATC) board members include:
ATC's advisory board also includes representatives of a number of high- powered defense, pharmaceutical, consulting, and technology firms, including General Atomics, BAE Systems, Motorola, and the Cohen Group (Marc Grossman's current employer. cjb) Daniel Pipes is a former ATC board member.
Growing media scrutiny of the ATC is a result of allegations made by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds regarding suspect activities of council members in an article in the September 2005 Vanity Fair. The ATC is where former Ambassador Joseph Wilson met his future wife and CIA operative, Valerie Plame, leading some to speculate Plame's CIA front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, was monitoring the same alleged nuclear trafficking of the ATC as Sibel Edmonds."
2) "My Administration has completed the NPAS review as well as an evaluation of actions taken by the Turkish government to address the proliferation activities of certain Turkish entities (once officials of the U.S. Government brought them to the Turkish government's attention)."
Considering this administration's connections with many of the ATC board members, and its role in the outing of Valerie Plame and the fictitious front company she worked for, Brewster-Jennings, what value is its assertion that Turkey's corrective actions have been adequate to ensure protection of US nuclear secrets?
3) "the members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission are confident that the pertinent issues have been sufficiently resolved and that there is a sufficient basis ... to proceed with congressional review of the Agreement and, if legislation is not enacted to disapprove it, to bring the Agreement into force."
One need only review the Commission's "Increased Controls" (ICs) requirements for materials licensees, and other actions regarding security of by-product material to realize that their confidence that the "pertinent issues have been sufficiently resolved" should inspire none in the rest of us. Remember, four of the five commissioners were formerly congressional aides, the other a former DOD official.
4) Congress must act in order to stop this agreement from taking effect. Hopefully there are enough members uncompromised by the ATC-AIPAC-BCCI- Edmonds-Plame scandals (yes, they are all connected!) to prevent rewarding the illegal proliferation of nuclear secrets by legitimizing it.
END OF POST
MilesAgain ( talk) 14:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting to note that the link does not work: you cannot get into the 'briefing room' documents except through the 'front door', and need to re-specify the search criteria for the document you want. It then politely replies - nothing found. Attempting to use Google (advanced) to search the site is fruitless. Our institutions are failing us. ( Martin | talk • contribs 17:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
The text you post refers to her 'testimony before the 9-11 commission". Yet in her Ohio Election deposition, she recounts an occasion when she was prevented from so testifying. When did she (get to) testify? ( Martin | talk • contribs 17:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Why is their nothing in this article mentioning AIPAC case? See here: " Sibel Edmonds Case: the untellable story of AIPAC" (watch the videos) and here: " Found in Translation" 86.133.26.209 ( talk) 15:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed a series of unsourced since 2007 allegations under litigation. Please do not add these back without proper sourcing. [[User:Ed Wood's Wig|]] ( talk) 13:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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These questions: (did she make these allegations before or after she was fired? Were they part of why she was fired?) have been answered in the last sentence of the prior paragraph. I assume that the answers were added in response to the warning box, but the person did not remove the box. ( Martin | talk • contribs 09:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC))
"she claims that managers retaliated against her.[citation needed]"
If the question is who it was who retaliated, viz. not her managers, then [citation needed] could be restored to the text, but I suggest it be put next to the word "managers", for clarity. ( Martin | talk • contribs 18:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC))
I made a citation to the DC Appeals in which she presents her version of the events. I suppose that one could ask whether there is a reference to be found to this position prior to her firing, as a strict reading of the sentence might require. I don't think that that is the significant question in her case, unless one's thought is that her position was constructed after the firing as a way to get back pay or something. A possibility, I suppose. If that is the issue, possibly I could look again. But it won't be as nice as a court document. ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
Or else, just switch the order of the two sentences. ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)) Switched the order of the two sentences. It is probably logically better that way anyway... ( Martin | talk • contribs 00:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
The sentence
Edmonds has made a series of allegations regarding the incompetent and possibly subversive operation of the FBI translation unit was changed to Edmonds has made a series of allegations with the reasoning that one should not assert either the truth or the falsity of the allegations. (per comment in History)
Would it be better to use the word 'alleged' rather than 'possibly'? Is that the problem? The allegations are there. They seem to fall into the two classes:
( Martin | talk • contribs 00:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
The 'summary of changes' field helps when one is reviewing history, to find when something changed. An editor may, of course, also note on the discussion page, what thinking, or criticism, or suggestion, motivates the change, so that others can either agree and cooperate, or be more to the point if they have a different thought. Deletion of paragraphs, without discussion, seems abrupt to me, especially on this topic of substantial national interest. I am sure you agree. :-) ( Martin | talk • contribs 09:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
Bradblog.com is not a reliable source for the material it supported. I have semi-protected the page to prevent further violations of our policy on biographies of living people. Tom Harrison Talk 12:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Update: Unprotected Sibel Edmonds: unprotected per WP:RFPP, poor explanation of protection given.
The bulk of the article deals with the fallout from allegations Edmonds made in the early 2000s; this is what she's notable for. The BradBlog-hosted 'deposition' is a very new set of statements (2009). Now that we have a summary of her allegations, there's the question of when she made each one, including any changes in the amount of information she has revealed over time. If anything about her recent statements is to remain in the article, then it needs to be made more clear exactly when she first revealed each detail of each allegation. Thanks. — mjb ( talk) 21:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I will take a look at all the references in the article and try to sort that out. I am thinking to try a few ways on my talk page, and see which anyone if any people like. Probably take a few days - Sept 13th? Of course the reason her allegations have come out spread out in time, I think, is that she has been so limited in what she was allowed to say, and only now, after Bush has gone, was she allowed to testify under oath without the state secrets objection being raised.( Martin | talk • contribs 03:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC))
I am surprised by your thoughts above, among which are
Am I characterizing your thoughts accurately? ( Martin | talk • contribs 07:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC))
( Martin | talk • contribs 08:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC))
Here is a
timeline from 2005 on the ACLU site, and you can see how many of the events in the story so far have been to suppress her allegations.
It would be ironic if Wikipedia decided to participate in this suppression. (
Martin |
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contribs
08:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC))
My computer has crashed, so I am out of business for a bit. ( Martin | talk • contribs 10:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
Couple new Philip Giraldi articles have more info on what she has revealed, in case anyone wants to add: antiwar.com and Am. Conservative. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 23:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously it is the allegations Edmonds has made that make her notable. The section could make that a bit clearer including with more refs from the various high level WP:RS that have covered her story. I'll get around to it unless someone else does first. So don't go removing it :-) CarolMooreDC ( talk) 16:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Ethnic categories are placed based on the person's origin regardless of whether s/he identifies him/herself as such or is it just one of her parents who does. Catherine Zeta-Jones' mother was Irish and her father Welsh; both 'Irish' and 'Welsh' are listed as her origin in the article about her. Parishan ( talk) 06:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
From http://www.pageonelit.com/interviews/KGMowla.html "He went to present Bangladesh in 1964 and became Pakistani. Khondakar became Bangladeshi in 1971. Since June 1993 Khondakar says he is "American by heart. So imagine that I was born as British Indian, than in 1947 India, in 1964 Pakistani and in 1971 Bangladesh and now I think myself as American. "
Someone who changes his identity like a used gum is not reliable source in someone elses identity. I'm not even going to comment on the garbage 9/11 conspiracy link you added. Urvakan 7/06/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urvakan ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
A couple of the statements in this section appear to be at odds with each other. This statement: "The account centered around her post-9/11 role as translator of a pre-9/11 interview during which an informant had told the FBI agents" appears to indicate she is performing a translation of a pre 9/11 interview post 9/11. This statement "The agents, along with Edmonds, reported this information internally at the FBI but, according to Edmonds, no one at the bureau ever asked for follow-ups or further information prior to 9/11", then appears to suggest that she was translating this prior to 9/11. The sited source indicates that she is translating this interview pre-9/11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjohnson06 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The link is to a Huff Post article, which itself links to "The American Conservative" - there is no link to the ACLU. A search of the ACLU website for "Sibel Edmonds gagged" finds 4 documents - https://www.aclu.org/search/sibel%20edmonds%20gagged - none of which include the claim.-- Aloysius the Gaul ( talk) 00:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
The second part of this paragraph is unreferenced, here are two potential refs: ref 1, ref 2. How best to describe what is said about Israel, 'illicit activities' is vague. Edmonds purports to have insight into US, Israeli, Turkish relations. Jonpatterns ( talk) 23:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps just remove the part about Israel altogether because the article isnt about Israel, and replace the content with elaboration of what the crimes were. Its current state, in a section which repeatedly mentions 9/11 makes it too easy to suggest a 9/11 conspiracy by Israel. Batvette ( talk) 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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I'd like to see reference to Sibel Edmonds' frequent appearances on the Corbett Report with James Corbett (journalist), as well as content about Newsbud, the alt media project she is founding. I tried to add material that could have been improved but it was simply deleted. I'd also like to see a Wikipedia page about the Corbett Report and or James Corbett (journalist). After over a decade I tried to create my first page and it was deleted before I was finished. I feel his material and clear contextualization is too important to be ignored even if I am not. JasonCarswell ( talk) 15:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Please give me feed back and help me finish this: /info/en/?search=Draft:James_Corbett_(journalist) JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm surprised that NewsBud has not been mentioned. I'd be happy to help write/research/edit/etc but need guidance as with The Corbett Report. JasonCarswell ( talk) 07:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Because this page seemed long and confusing I started reorganizing a bit. I made the subject titles more consistent and clumped some of the 9/11 and Turkey paragraphs together without editing any content. Then I realized that maybe I shouldn't. I don't know if that was good or not. I thought it was helpful but I don't know if it has to be chronological or something. I hope someone might give me a word to let my OCD organize Talk Pages or not. Thanks in advance. JasonCarswell ( talk) 08:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: Please replace the link that is currently featured in citation #8 with this new link: https://www.kkc.com/whistleblowers/?id=45.
Explanation of issue: The current link that citation 8 links to is broken— I'd like to change this link to the correct bio page on the same website as before. References supporting change: The current link in citation 8, https://www.kkc.com/404, leads to a 404 Page Not Found page. Instead, I'd like this citation to link to https://www.kkc.com/whistleblowers/?id=45, which I believe is the intended link to Ms. Edmonds' bio page on the same website as the existing link. The only difference between the links is that the old link is broken and the link I'm proposing to swap in is not.
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