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Salop is NOT Abbr of Shropshire, its a completely different name! Salop was changed to Shropshire as it was deemed highly offensive to French speakers. Also if it ever appears anywhere today it is merely out of date or some older member of the community getting confused.
Well, I use Salop sometimes and I'm 21 and not in the least bit confused :) I don't see why the background of where the word comes from stops it being used as an abbreviation, lots of words change their meanings.
Also, does this need changing or am I just being thick? I doesn't make any sense to me; 'The border with Wales was defined in the 16th century - the hundreds of Oswestry (including Oswestry) and Pimhill (including Wem), and part of Chirbury had prior to the Laws in Wales Act formed various Lordships in the Welsh Marches.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.32.89.43 ( talk) 17:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It appears that this character had no connection with Shropshire - there is a Joshua Norton listed as born in what is now Telford, but it's almost certainly not the same one. I've deleted the reference. Jon Rob 14:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Looking the the highest point in several counties and cna't find shorpshire's highest point int he geography subsection, anyone know??? Pickle 01:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
On our local radio station CFM Radio the other day it was stated in a quiz contest that Shropshire was England's largest county how is this so as it is neither the largest in administrative, historical or cermonial terms. Anyone got an answer? Penrithguy 16:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I am concerned that User:Justkindness is pushing a pro-Shrewsbury POV in this article. Furthermore, this user is making additions (which although good faith) have numerous grammatical errors. Further, this user is failing to cite sources. Anyone else any thoughts? 81.79.44.74 19:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I object to your comments. I am not "pushing a pro-shrewsbury POV." I am concerned that you are pushing an Ironbridge and telford POV. Clearly the main thrust of this introduction to Shropshire should be a hierarchical one, concerned with the larger and more important aspects of the county first. These include the major towns, landscape features etc. You say that the Wrekin is not an important feature, which I think is a ridiculous statement. It is the most significant landscape feature in the area apart from the River Severn. What we need to do is work from the major to the minor, not throw in bits about Ironbridge being "the birthplace of industry" (a very questionable thing anyway, thought up by advertisers of the new town.)This is also dealt with later in the article. I have added significant amounts to this article, including much of the historical stuff. I strongly object to you criticising my grammar too. This is a personal statement by you and insulting to me. I have not criticised any of your input and certainly not your grammar, even if I thought it inadequate. I suspect you are either very young and intolerant or just unable to work with others. Please believe I am trying to do my best for this and other articles. If I happen to disagree with you, it is because I disagree, not because I want to annoy you! I suggest that if you cannot tolerate alterations by others, you should give up working for Wikipedia.
David, try looking up Shropshire Hills in a proper encyclopedia as I have! They are the oldest, being Pre-cambrian, in the country. That is a fact.
As for the user with the numbers,81.79 etc, I refuse to be drawn into a childish exchange of insults. My point, which is a valid one, is that the Wrekin is the most important landmark in the county. You may not like it, or agree with it, but if you look in most reference books you will find it is mentioned as such. You say that the edits are mostly my own opinions. I suggest that that is in fact the case with your own contributions. Most of mine are based on research and reading. The reason I suggest you give up working on Wikipedia is because you do not like your views being challenged. If you read the introduction to Wikipedia, it says, if you can't stand people changing your contribution, then don't contribute.
It's impossible working with you - you obviously have some axe to grind and I shall leave you to grind it. You are obviously beavering away under various pseudonymns cutting out other peoples' material, attacking their contributions, implying yours are best and so on. Can you honestly say your contributions are unbiased? They smack so much of the partisan. Incidentally, you do not cite any sources yourself - your inability makes Wikipedia a laughing stock amongst people who actually know Shropshire well - which you obviously do not.
Are people forgetting Clee Hill is massive hill in Shropshire and can see out to worcestershire and Wales? Also the hills when I visited were not of major importance and the only reason for Wrekin being popular is because of it being mentioned with Telford DragonofBatley ( talk) 09:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I recently deleted the "Ludlow" subsection of the "History" section of this article, but have found lately that this edit has been reverted. I would like to explain my reasoning for this deletion of information, but I do welcome open discussion about it. My belief is this: The content of the "Ludlow" subsection is really more worthy of the Ludlow article, as it is only to Ludlow that the content is relevant. While I agree that Ludlow is in Shropshire, it is not necessary to clutter up the Shropshire article with information that really fits elsewhere, in that: users reading the Shropshire article for the History of Shropshire will be interested in information about Shropshire itself. Those looking for information on Ludlow, and for that matter, Shrewsbury, will look at the dedicated History of Shrewsbury article, or the Ludlow article. As a result, we should barely touch on the histories of constituent parts of Shropshire in this article, as any more detail wastes space and makes it harder to acquire relevant info from the article, and I feel that the large subsections dedicated to Shrewsbury and Ludlow are simply excessive. Perhaps the content should be moved to the relevant articles ( Ludlow, History of Shrewsbury) where it is not already present in those articles. Mouchoir le Souris 20:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know I have soon finished the translation of this page in french. I'm not sure that's the right place to do so(if it isn't then somebody will delete this notice anyway) but I thought it would be polite to let you know your work was used to create a new wikipedia page in french. Thanks for this comprehensive web page, I hope to make discover lovely shropshire to my fellow citizens thanks to that.
I've added quite a few references to the article, mainly in the introduction and economy sections. More are needed however. 84.64.103.64 19:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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Where has the education section gone, actually? 84.66.212.99 ( talk) 21:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
As Beatties has been bought out by House of Fraser, perhaps the image should be changed or deleted? 77.198.170.218 ( talk) 19:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone interested in becoming a member of a WikiProject dedicated to the county of Shropshire? If so, please sign your name under the proposal. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 21:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I have edited the map in the Towns and Villages section to come into line with the 2009 government changes. I also added a few more settlements (Clun, Cleobury Mortimer, Donnington, Shifnal, and Baschurch) to fill the gaps left by the border removal. The new map can replace the current one in 2009. On a side note, has anyone prepared any changes for the article post-2009? ChrisJB ( talk) 16:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I have established the Shropshire Council article. Please read the Talk:Shropshire Council page. Thanks. David ( talk) 00:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is Wellington listed separately from the rest of Telford? It is 3rd in the list for population, but hasn't it been part of the new town since '68? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Person642 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Having "an independant character" does not make it any less a part of Telford. Nor does a geographical separation, which I assume is non urban land. I have always considered Wellington to be in Telford. Person642 ( talk) 13:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I've recently managed to get the article on the M54 motorway to Good article status! I hope we can get more Shropshire-related articles to GA status or better! Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 19:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to see Roy Wood mentioned here, since he's very famously a Brummie. Does he now live in Wem? DrDaveHPP ( talk) 19:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. DDStretch (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (on behalf of the taskforce)
Shropshire is often used as a throwaway reference in fiction, to represent the stereotype of "somewhere remote that few people ever visit" (lovely as the county is, and speaking as a proud Salopian myself). Such references are often used only in passing. In the Cultural References section, there is a list of points, mostly concerning TV, film and novels that feature Shropshire in some way. In my opinion, many of these are non-notable; for example, a major fictional character who briefly remembers visiting Shropshire, or a minor character who comes from Shropshire. Shropshire is also used as a handy bit of countryside near enough to the BBC Birmingham drama studios in which to film occasional brief rural scenes in a number of television series.
I recommend that this list be trimmed, and the baseline for notability for fiction being that the cultural work is primarily or subsantially set or filmed in Shropshire (eg. Clockwise, The Green Green Grass) or a major reference in a world-famous work (eg. PG Woodhouse characters and locations). This would mean that the following would be removed:
...and replace this with the paragraph "In addition to the following substantial cultural references, Shropshire is also often used as a one-word throwaway stereotype to represent somewhere remote that few people ever visit.[references] Various parts of Shropshire, particularly the south, are also used to film occasional or brief rural scenes in works which do not otherwise heavily feature the county.[references]" with [references] replaced by cited examples (eg. Friends quote, Ted and Ralph special). Consensus? Andrew Oakley ( talk) 17:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I know this is mentioned above, but it's been two years so I thought I should start a new discussion here. I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Shropshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Shropshire has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 20:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned in an unsigned comment in the Archived comments section above, this section of the article does not make sense:
The border with Wales was defined in the 16th century – the hundreds of Oswestry (including Oswestry) and Pimhill (including Wem), and part of Chirbury had prior to the Laws in Wales Act formed various Lordships in the Welsh Marches.
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There are conflicting figures for population density in the introduction and the infobox, which isn't reassuring as to the helpfulness of the rest of the article. The reference in the introduction no longer exists, but a search finds a statistics page at the council website. This page has 2009 figures which relate to the council area, apparently the Admin Area part of the infobox, smaller than the cermonial area. The figure for actual population in the same source is only given as 291,800. This results in the 91/km2 figure. The infobox uses 2008 figures, and covers the ceremonial county; I imagine the much higher density is due to including Telford and Wrekin. I don't have a particular opinion on which is better, but picking just one would surely be an improvement over contradicting itself immediately. -- Shimmin Beg ( talk) 14:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hoax? Just figure some editors of this page may have heard of this. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 18:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The St Asaph Diocese, which hitherto covered parishes in north-west Shropshire, did NOT go out of existence in 1920 and is extant (2012). What happened that year was that the Church in Wales was disestablished and the English parishes in Shropshire ceded to the neighbouring English diocese, Lichfield. I have corrected the error with citation to A History of Shropshire by Barrie Trinder. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
"Charles Darwin (1809–82), whose theory of evolution by natural selection is the foundation of modern biological sciences"... Well it isn't, even if some admirers think so. Evolutionary Biology is just another discipline within many in Biology. -- 197.229.128.14 ( talk) 16:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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There is virtually nothing about the history of the county. For example, which side was it on during the Civil War? Valetude ( talk) 22:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Given both are unitary authorities. Shouldnt Shropshire have a local government district of its own like Cheshire East and Cheshire West and Chester did. As Cheshire is kept for the ceremonial county and the two Unitary authorities are given two separate articles and Telford also has one. It be able to have one given it contains Shrewsbury Ludlow Oswestry Ellesmere Church Stretton and Bridgnorth? RailwayJG ( talk) 20:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah. I see RailwayJG got bored and decided to create the article. Any consensus to do so? Any plans for it? Thoughts about how to limit duplication? Ridiculous. Wikipedia is not a hobby horse. David ( talk) 10:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
You clearly can't tell the difference between the ceremonial county District and council. The district covers all of Shropshire. Shropshire council is more for the mps and the ones who govern the district. And ceremonial is the historic county which also includes Telford and Wrekin in it but the district doesn't as it covers the newer unitary authority of Shropshire. The council article doesn't do the district and unitary authority justice. Take Durham as an example. County Durham Durham County Council and Durham district. Durham district covers the towns and city. The county council covers the historic county and governing body and the ceremonial county includes county Durham Stockton-on-Tees Hartlepool and Darlington. But the latter three are separated from the new Durham unitary authority. As they are separate Unitary authorities.
The district covers the towns and villages of Shropshire. The council covers the governing body and mps and the ceremonial county covers both Shropshire and Telford and Wrekin. So I might have gotten as you put it bored but I found enough stead for it to boast it's own Article. As the ceremonial county and council articles don't do the district much justice just how the council came into existence and the ceremonial county covering both the wider history and government elections. The district covers the towns and villages. Plus it passes Wiki:Geography. So it's far from ridiculous if it passes the checks. RailwayJG ( talk) 13:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Crouch,Swale:. RailwayJG ( talk) 13:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Crouch, Swale: RailwayJG ( talk) 13:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I have deleted from the list of Notable people the ornithologist Stephen Marchant because he has no demonstrable link with Shropshire. His article erroneously states his birth village of Weston-under-Lizard is in Shropshire, but in fact it has always been in Staffordshire albeit bordering Shropshire. I have corrected the county identification in the latter article accordingly. He can be reinstated on the list in this article if citeable evidence of living in Shropshire can be found, please ignore sources which state Weston-under-Lizard as being in Shropshire. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Is it still pertinent for this article to carry a reference to Eurostats, now that UK has Brexit-ed the EU? Cloptonson ( talk) 12:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I notice the list starts with "Adcote nr Shrewsbury". While the house is an architecturally interesting Listed Building (Norman Shaw mansion that had been a home to the Darbys), it is a working independent school which would not be open to the public. There are no other buildings on that list that are schools. All the other sites listed have in common being accessible to the public. Delete from list? Cloptonson ( talk) 13:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I believe Shropshire is England's largest landlocked county, and see that some people have mentioned this in above comments on this talk page. I would think it would be good if this information were added to the article per se, and were put quite near the start of the article. YTKJ ( talk) 18:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
I have deleted it from the list of Places of Interest as it closed in 2021 and Shropshire Council, the museum operators are relinquishing their lease to the landowners in 2023. It can be reinstated at such time as the owners, Acton Scott manor estate, reopen the museum in future. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Salop is NOT Abbr of Shropshire, its a completely different name! Salop was changed to Shropshire as it was deemed highly offensive to French speakers. Also if it ever appears anywhere today it is merely out of date or some older member of the community getting confused.
Well, I use Salop sometimes and I'm 21 and not in the least bit confused :) I don't see why the background of where the word comes from stops it being used as an abbreviation, lots of words change their meanings.
Also, does this need changing or am I just being thick? I doesn't make any sense to me; 'The border with Wales was defined in the 16th century - the hundreds of Oswestry (including Oswestry) and Pimhill (including Wem), and part of Chirbury had prior to the Laws in Wales Act formed various Lordships in the Welsh Marches.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.32.89.43 ( talk) 17:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It appears that this character had no connection with Shropshire - there is a Joshua Norton listed as born in what is now Telford, but it's almost certainly not the same one. I've deleted the reference. Jon Rob 14:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Looking the the highest point in several counties and cna't find shorpshire's highest point int he geography subsection, anyone know??? Pickle 01:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
On our local radio station CFM Radio the other day it was stated in a quiz contest that Shropshire was England's largest county how is this so as it is neither the largest in administrative, historical or cermonial terms. Anyone got an answer? Penrithguy 16:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I am concerned that User:Justkindness is pushing a pro-Shrewsbury POV in this article. Furthermore, this user is making additions (which although good faith) have numerous grammatical errors. Further, this user is failing to cite sources. Anyone else any thoughts? 81.79.44.74 19:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I object to your comments. I am not "pushing a pro-shrewsbury POV." I am concerned that you are pushing an Ironbridge and telford POV. Clearly the main thrust of this introduction to Shropshire should be a hierarchical one, concerned with the larger and more important aspects of the county first. These include the major towns, landscape features etc. You say that the Wrekin is not an important feature, which I think is a ridiculous statement. It is the most significant landscape feature in the area apart from the River Severn. What we need to do is work from the major to the minor, not throw in bits about Ironbridge being "the birthplace of industry" (a very questionable thing anyway, thought up by advertisers of the new town.)This is also dealt with later in the article. I have added significant amounts to this article, including much of the historical stuff. I strongly object to you criticising my grammar too. This is a personal statement by you and insulting to me. I have not criticised any of your input and certainly not your grammar, even if I thought it inadequate. I suspect you are either very young and intolerant or just unable to work with others. Please believe I am trying to do my best for this and other articles. If I happen to disagree with you, it is because I disagree, not because I want to annoy you! I suggest that if you cannot tolerate alterations by others, you should give up working for Wikipedia.
David, try looking up Shropshire Hills in a proper encyclopedia as I have! They are the oldest, being Pre-cambrian, in the country. That is a fact.
As for the user with the numbers,81.79 etc, I refuse to be drawn into a childish exchange of insults. My point, which is a valid one, is that the Wrekin is the most important landmark in the county. You may not like it, or agree with it, but if you look in most reference books you will find it is mentioned as such. You say that the edits are mostly my own opinions. I suggest that that is in fact the case with your own contributions. Most of mine are based on research and reading. The reason I suggest you give up working on Wikipedia is because you do not like your views being challenged. If you read the introduction to Wikipedia, it says, if you can't stand people changing your contribution, then don't contribute.
It's impossible working with you - you obviously have some axe to grind and I shall leave you to grind it. You are obviously beavering away under various pseudonymns cutting out other peoples' material, attacking their contributions, implying yours are best and so on. Can you honestly say your contributions are unbiased? They smack so much of the partisan. Incidentally, you do not cite any sources yourself - your inability makes Wikipedia a laughing stock amongst people who actually know Shropshire well - which you obviously do not.
Are people forgetting Clee Hill is massive hill in Shropshire and can see out to worcestershire and Wales? Also the hills when I visited were not of major importance and the only reason for Wrekin being popular is because of it being mentioned with Telford DragonofBatley ( talk) 09:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I recently deleted the "Ludlow" subsection of the "History" section of this article, but have found lately that this edit has been reverted. I would like to explain my reasoning for this deletion of information, but I do welcome open discussion about it. My belief is this: The content of the "Ludlow" subsection is really more worthy of the Ludlow article, as it is only to Ludlow that the content is relevant. While I agree that Ludlow is in Shropshire, it is not necessary to clutter up the Shropshire article with information that really fits elsewhere, in that: users reading the Shropshire article for the History of Shropshire will be interested in information about Shropshire itself. Those looking for information on Ludlow, and for that matter, Shrewsbury, will look at the dedicated History of Shrewsbury article, or the Ludlow article. As a result, we should barely touch on the histories of constituent parts of Shropshire in this article, as any more detail wastes space and makes it harder to acquire relevant info from the article, and I feel that the large subsections dedicated to Shrewsbury and Ludlow are simply excessive. Perhaps the content should be moved to the relevant articles ( Ludlow, History of Shrewsbury) where it is not already present in those articles. Mouchoir le Souris 20:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know I have soon finished the translation of this page in french. I'm not sure that's the right place to do so(if it isn't then somebody will delete this notice anyway) but I thought it would be polite to let you know your work was used to create a new wikipedia page in french. Thanks for this comprehensive web page, I hope to make discover lovely shropshire to my fellow citizens thanks to that.
I've added quite a few references to the article, mainly in the introduction and economy sections. More are needed however. 84.64.103.64 19:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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Where has the education section gone, actually? 84.66.212.99 ( talk) 21:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
As Beatties has been bought out by House of Fraser, perhaps the image should be changed or deleted? 77.198.170.218 ( talk) 19:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone interested in becoming a member of a WikiProject dedicated to the county of Shropshire? If so, please sign your name under the proposal. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 21:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I have edited the map in the Towns and Villages section to come into line with the 2009 government changes. I also added a few more settlements (Clun, Cleobury Mortimer, Donnington, Shifnal, and Baschurch) to fill the gaps left by the border removal. The new map can replace the current one in 2009. On a side note, has anyone prepared any changes for the article post-2009? ChrisJB ( talk) 16:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I have established the Shropshire Council article. Please read the Talk:Shropshire Council page. Thanks. David ( talk) 00:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is Wellington listed separately from the rest of Telford? It is 3rd in the list for population, but hasn't it been part of the new town since '68? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Person642 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Having "an independant character" does not make it any less a part of Telford. Nor does a geographical separation, which I assume is non urban land. I have always considered Wellington to be in Telford. Person642 ( talk) 13:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I've recently managed to get the article on the M54 motorway to Good article status! I hope we can get more Shropshire-related articles to GA status or better! Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 19:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to see Roy Wood mentioned here, since he's very famously a Brummie. Does he now live in Wem? DrDaveHPP ( talk) 19:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. DDStretch (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (on behalf of the taskforce)
Shropshire is often used as a throwaway reference in fiction, to represent the stereotype of "somewhere remote that few people ever visit" (lovely as the county is, and speaking as a proud Salopian myself). Such references are often used only in passing. In the Cultural References section, there is a list of points, mostly concerning TV, film and novels that feature Shropshire in some way. In my opinion, many of these are non-notable; for example, a major fictional character who briefly remembers visiting Shropshire, or a minor character who comes from Shropshire. Shropshire is also used as a handy bit of countryside near enough to the BBC Birmingham drama studios in which to film occasional brief rural scenes in a number of television series.
I recommend that this list be trimmed, and the baseline for notability for fiction being that the cultural work is primarily or subsantially set or filmed in Shropshire (eg. Clockwise, The Green Green Grass) or a major reference in a world-famous work (eg. PG Woodhouse characters and locations). This would mean that the following would be removed:
...and replace this with the paragraph "In addition to the following substantial cultural references, Shropshire is also often used as a one-word throwaway stereotype to represent somewhere remote that few people ever visit.[references] Various parts of Shropshire, particularly the south, are also used to film occasional or brief rural scenes in works which do not otherwise heavily feature the county.[references]" with [references] replaced by cited examples (eg. Friends quote, Ted and Ralph special). Consensus? Andrew Oakley ( talk) 17:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I know this is mentioned above, but it's been two years so I thought I should start a new discussion here. I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Shropshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Shropshire has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 20:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned in an unsigned comment in the Archived comments section above, this section of the article does not make sense:
The border with Wales was defined in the 16th century – the hundreds of Oswestry (including Oswestry) and Pimhill (including Wem), and part of Chirbury had prior to the Laws in Wales Act formed various Lordships in the Welsh Marches.
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There are conflicting figures for population density in the introduction and the infobox, which isn't reassuring as to the helpfulness of the rest of the article. The reference in the introduction no longer exists, but a search finds a statistics page at the council website. This page has 2009 figures which relate to the council area, apparently the Admin Area part of the infobox, smaller than the cermonial area. The figure for actual population in the same source is only given as 291,800. This results in the 91/km2 figure. The infobox uses 2008 figures, and covers the ceremonial county; I imagine the much higher density is due to including Telford and Wrekin. I don't have a particular opinion on which is better, but picking just one would surely be an improvement over contradicting itself immediately. -- Shimmin Beg ( talk) 14:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hoax? Just figure some editors of this page may have heard of this. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 18:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The St Asaph Diocese, which hitherto covered parishes in north-west Shropshire, did NOT go out of existence in 1920 and is extant (2012). What happened that year was that the Church in Wales was disestablished and the English parishes in Shropshire ceded to the neighbouring English diocese, Lichfield. I have corrected the error with citation to A History of Shropshire by Barrie Trinder. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
"Charles Darwin (1809–82), whose theory of evolution by natural selection is the foundation of modern biological sciences"... Well it isn't, even if some admirers think so. Evolutionary Biology is just another discipline within many in Biology. -- 197.229.128.14 ( talk) 16:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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There is virtually nothing about the history of the county. For example, which side was it on during the Civil War? Valetude ( talk) 22:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Given both are unitary authorities. Shouldnt Shropshire have a local government district of its own like Cheshire East and Cheshire West and Chester did. As Cheshire is kept for the ceremonial county and the two Unitary authorities are given two separate articles and Telford also has one. It be able to have one given it contains Shrewsbury Ludlow Oswestry Ellesmere Church Stretton and Bridgnorth? RailwayJG ( talk) 20:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah. I see RailwayJG got bored and decided to create the article. Any consensus to do so? Any plans for it? Thoughts about how to limit duplication? Ridiculous. Wikipedia is not a hobby horse. David ( talk) 10:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
You clearly can't tell the difference between the ceremonial county District and council. The district covers all of Shropshire. Shropshire council is more for the mps and the ones who govern the district. And ceremonial is the historic county which also includes Telford and Wrekin in it but the district doesn't as it covers the newer unitary authority of Shropshire. The council article doesn't do the district and unitary authority justice. Take Durham as an example. County Durham Durham County Council and Durham district. Durham district covers the towns and city. The county council covers the historic county and governing body and the ceremonial county includes county Durham Stockton-on-Tees Hartlepool and Darlington. But the latter three are separated from the new Durham unitary authority. As they are separate Unitary authorities.
The district covers the towns and villages of Shropshire. The council covers the governing body and mps and the ceremonial county covers both Shropshire and Telford and Wrekin. So I might have gotten as you put it bored but I found enough stead for it to boast it's own Article. As the ceremonial county and council articles don't do the district much justice just how the council came into existence and the ceremonial county covering both the wider history and government elections. The district covers the towns and villages. Plus it passes Wiki:Geography. So it's far from ridiculous if it passes the checks. RailwayJG ( talk) 13:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Crouch,Swale:. RailwayJG ( talk) 13:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Crouch, Swale: RailwayJG ( talk) 13:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I have deleted from the list of Notable people the ornithologist Stephen Marchant because he has no demonstrable link with Shropshire. His article erroneously states his birth village of Weston-under-Lizard is in Shropshire, but in fact it has always been in Staffordshire albeit bordering Shropshire. I have corrected the county identification in the latter article accordingly. He can be reinstated on the list in this article if citeable evidence of living in Shropshire can be found, please ignore sources which state Weston-under-Lizard as being in Shropshire. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Is it still pertinent for this article to carry a reference to Eurostats, now that UK has Brexit-ed the EU? Cloptonson ( talk) 12:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I notice the list starts with "Adcote nr Shrewsbury". While the house is an architecturally interesting Listed Building (Norman Shaw mansion that had been a home to the Darbys), it is a working independent school which would not be open to the public. There are no other buildings on that list that are schools. All the other sites listed have in common being accessible to the public. Delete from list? Cloptonson ( talk) 13:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I believe Shropshire is England's largest landlocked county, and see that some people have mentioned this in above comments on this talk page. I would think it would be good if this information were added to the article per se, and were put quite near the start of the article. YTKJ ( talk) 18:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
I have deleted it from the list of Places of Interest as it closed in 2021 and Shropshire Council, the museum operators are relinquishing their lease to the landowners in 2023. It can be reinstated at such time as the owners, Acton Scott manor estate, reopen the museum in future. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)