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Could someone add a breakdown of various levels like cSIA(amateur) or CSIW, CSIP, etc.? French Wikipedia has this although not a complete list of all the types/levels. A full list would be most helpful! Oh also, can anyone explain the 1m40,1m35, etc.? Is this a reference to the distance of a concourse? like 1m40 = 1.40 meter? Thanks! -- Ashley Rovira 19:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Ya, ok, i cant let you discuss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.105.242 ( talk) 01:55, 3 April 2006
There is separate article for hyphenated show-jumping. Can I suggest somebody who knows about the subject should try to combine the two articles into one.
Technically this article is about Jumping in general, of which Show Jumping is one variety. Equitation and Hunter is even listed here. It's an important disinction since Jumping really does refer to all three, unfortunately its obviously an ambiguous term. Any suggestions as to a more succinct term which is still correct in the Equestrian world? -- Domhail 09:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I know nothing about horses but when browsing this category and I clicked on Gem Twist's article. Previously it said this "Gem Twist Was the most famous of all show jumping horses. He was a German horse that was the first Stallion to complete a jump over 8ft high. He was a legend that lives on in many peoples hearts." While that may be true it's lacking a lot of information (not to mention oozing Point of View)! I added some basic information to the Gem Twist article and added the format that the other show jumping horse articles seem to have, but like I said it's lacking a lot of information. If you can fill this out please do so. - ImmortalGoddezz 06:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The original article included the phrase "and the sheer spectacularity and thrill that no other sport can even come close to producing," in refernece to its popularity as an Olympic sport. While this may be true for those who are interested in or participate in equine sports, I feel it shows too much POV to be included. I've edited it out, but I'm open to discussion if someone can show otherwise. Consequentially 19:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Might I propose we eliminate the "laundry list" of famous jumpers altogether? As you may have noticed, it is getting longer and longer, with plenty of room for disagreement.
In the alternative, I suggest someone creates a CATEGORY of "Show Jumpers" --or some similar title, link to it from this article, and then all show jumpers who have articles about them on wikipedia can be linked there instead of here.
My humble opinion is that most of the horse articles with these kinds of lists need to get rid of them both due to NPOV issues but also to fit the guidelines for a good wikipedia article. Comments? Montanabw 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Culnacréann 23:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I guess that means it's OK for me to toss the laundry list in this article. If I messed up something, just fix it. Montanabw 20:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Eventer and Culnacreann, I think you two are each putting in the rules for your own nation (i.e. US and Ireland/UK). How about just doing the FEI 2007 official rules and then split off sections for the varying rules for each nation, when different? And may I humbly suggest that CITATION to the actual rulebooks just might be the best long-term approach here? Montanabw (talk) 02:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, I think you overdid the tags on show jumping. The article does lack footnotes, but there ARE reference works. It does need a rewrite to be less confusing, perhaps, and I will be the first to agree it is far from GA status, but there have been some experienced riders working on the article, the "expert" tag doesn't seem appropriate, and I really don't see significant original research in there, either. (A lot of horse knowledge is, to this day, transmitted word of mouth and is widely known yet rarely published in books) My thought is if you question material, slapping a "fact" tag on the questionable statements is preferable to an overall tag. My point is simply that a bunch of tags without any explanation is not going to improve this article much. (The original creator of the article IS pretty prone to not cite anything, even thougah I KNOW she's using references; I've mentioned this to her in the past, and have been ignored, so I'm OK with the "no footnotes" tag) It would be more helpful to tag it in specific trouble areas, keep the "confusing" tag if you wish, but place your specific concerns on the talk page. Montanabw (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all --
I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the John Edwards and Rielle Hunter affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century horse murders scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the backgtound for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called Story of my Life by Jay McInerney. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York imes and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood. An FBI investifation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper world on charges of insuracne fraud.
When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there is no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess Helen Brach whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murder scandal.
I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write a horse murders article, and to link it to the Helen Brach, show jumping, and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual fild of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.
I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.
Sincerely, catherine yronwode Catherineyronwode ( talk) 02:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is about the sport of show jumping, and the related field of "hunters". Is there not an article that deals with horse jumping, generally? The biomechanics of it, etc. I know there is an article on bascule...If not, I propose one be started. Countercanter ( talk) 17:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There isn't a section in here talking about how crazy we all get with figuring out show names for our mounts! There are usually really great funny stories behind them, and I think it would be a positive addition to the article. Granted, it's not just Show Jumpers, but why not? It's interesting where people come up with them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandere0 ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Many animal rights groups (credible as well as questionable) have criticized show jumping as unethical. If these claims are unfounded, discussion of why would be appropriate. If these assertions are however substantiated, a write up on this would be good also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.14.114 ( talk) 10:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I've not looked for any sources, and I like show jumping, but I was surprised to see a lack of criticism on this page as well. Horses may be strong, but they also weigh a ton, and jumping puts enormous stress on their legs. Some might say that it is an unnecessary stress. Plus, some professional competitors clearly don't have much regard for their horses [citation needed lel] in comparison for their desire to win. thefix.com Cian O'Connor For such as professional-looking page, shouldn't there be some mention of horse doping? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.138.56 ( talk) 16:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Let us find RS criticism. Zezen ( talk) 03:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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Are there any members of wikipedia who know something about W.R., P.B. of some horses a.s.o. a.s.o. in Show Jumping ?! A world best list would be great... -- Zwönitz ( talk) 17:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Rather than adding unsourced material with little discussion, Let’s figure out how to improve this article with more and better sourcing, wikilinking, and so on. Per WP:BRD, let’s discuss... Montanabw (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Could someone add a breakdown of various levels like cSIA(amateur) or CSIW, CSIP, etc.? French Wikipedia has this although not a complete list of all the types/levels. A full list would be most helpful! Oh also, can anyone explain the 1m40,1m35, etc.? Is this a reference to the distance of a concourse? like 1m40 = 1.40 meter? Thanks! -- Ashley Rovira 19:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Ya, ok, i cant let you discuss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.105.242 ( talk) 01:55, 3 April 2006
There is separate article for hyphenated show-jumping. Can I suggest somebody who knows about the subject should try to combine the two articles into one.
Technically this article is about Jumping in general, of which Show Jumping is one variety. Equitation and Hunter is even listed here. It's an important disinction since Jumping really does refer to all three, unfortunately its obviously an ambiguous term. Any suggestions as to a more succinct term which is still correct in the Equestrian world? -- Domhail 09:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I know nothing about horses but when browsing this category and I clicked on Gem Twist's article. Previously it said this "Gem Twist Was the most famous of all show jumping horses. He was a German horse that was the first Stallion to complete a jump over 8ft high. He was a legend that lives on in many peoples hearts." While that may be true it's lacking a lot of information (not to mention oozing Point of View)! I added some basic information to the Gem Twist article and added the format that the other show jumping horse articles seem to have, but like I said it's lacking a lot of information. If you can fill this out please do so. - ImmortalGoddezz 06:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The original article included the phrase "and the sheer spectacularity and thrill that no other sport can even come close to producing," in refernece to its popularity as an Olympic sport. While this may be true for those who are interested in or participate in equine sports, I feel it shows too much POV to be included. I've edited it out, but I'm open to discussion if someone can show otherwise. Consequentially 19:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Might I propose we eliminate the "laundry list" of famous jumpers altogether? As you may have noticed, it is getting longer and longer, with plenty of room for disagreement.
In the alternative, I suggest someone creates a CATEGORY of "Show Jumpers" --or some similar title, link to it from this article, and then all show jumpers who have articles about them on wikipedia can be linked there instead of here.
My humble opinion is that most of the horse articles with these kinds of lists need to get rid of them both due to NPOV issues but also to fit the guidelines for a good wikipedia article. Comments? Montanabw 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Culnacréann 23:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I guess that means it's OK for me to toss the laundry list in this article. If I messed up something, just fix it. Montanabw 20:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Eventer and Culnacreann, I think you two are each putting in the rules for your own nation (i.e. US and Ireland/UK). How about just doing the FEI 2007 official rules and then split off sections for the varying rules for each nation, when different? And may I humbly suggest that CITATION to the actual rulebooks just might be the best long-term approach here? Montanabw (talk) 02:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, I think you overdid the tags on show jumping. The article does lack footnotes, but there ARE reference works. It does need a rewrite to be less confusing, perhaps, and I will be the first to agree it is far from GA status, but there have been some experienced riders working on the article, the "expert" tag doesn't seem appropriate, and I really don't see significant original research in there, either. (A lot of horse knowledge is, to this day, transmitted word of mouth and is widely known yet rarely published in books) My thought is if you question material, slapping a "fact" tag on the questionable statements is preferable to an overall tag. My point is simply that a bunch of tags without any explanation is not going to improve this article much. (The original creator of the article IS pretty prone to not cite anything, even thougah I KNOW she's using references; I've mentioned this to her in the past, and have been ignored, so I'm OK with the "no footnotes" tag) It would be more helpful to tag it in specific trouble areas, keep the "confusing" tag if you wish, but place your specific concerns on the talk page. Montanabw (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all --
I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the John Edwards and Rielle Hunter affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century horse murders scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the backgtound for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called Story of my Life by Jay McInerney. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York imes and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood. An FBI investifation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper world on charges of insuracne fraud.
When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there is no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess Helen Brach whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murder scandal.
I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write a horse murders article, and to link it to the Helen Brach, show jumping, and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual fild of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.
I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.
Sincerely, catherine yronwode Catherineyronwode ( talk) 02:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is about the sport of show jumping, and the related field of "hunters". Is there not an article that deals with horse jumping, generally? The biomechanics of it, etc. I know there is an article on bascule...If not, I propose one be started. Countercanter ( talk) 17:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There isn't a section in here talking about how crazy we all get with figuring out show names for our mounts! There are usually really great funny stories behind them, and I think it would be a positive addition to the article. Granted, it's not just Show Jumpers, but why not? It's interesting where people come up with them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandere0 ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Many animal rights groups (credible as well as questionable) have criticized show jumping as unethical. If these claims are unfounded, discussion of why would be appropriate. If these assertions are however substantiated, a write up on this would be good also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.14.114 ( talk) 10:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I've not looked for any sources, and I like show jumping, but I was surprised to see a lack of criticism on this page as well. Horses may be strong, but they also weigh a ton, and jumping puts enormous stress on their legs. Some might say that it is an unnecessary stress. Plus, some professional competitors clearly don't have much regard for their horses [citation needed lel] in comparison for their desire to win. thefix.com Cian O'Connor For such as professional-looking page, shouldn't there be some mention of horse doping? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.138.56 ( talk) 16:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Let us find RS criticism. Zezen ( talk) 03:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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Are there any members of wikipedia who know something about W.R., P.B. of some horses a.s.o. a.s.o. in Show Jumping ?! A world best list would be great... -- Zwönitz ( talk) 17:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Rather than adding unsourced material with little discussion, Let’s figure out how to improve this article with more and better sourcing, wikilinking, and so on. Per WP:BRD, let’s discuss... Montanabw (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)