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The newly added table of cast members in multiple productions is a fine addition to the article. However, its width is twice that of the margins of the rest of the article. This throws the display of the article out of line - reduced to a small column on the left of the screen. Is there a way to fix this? Possibly splitting the table into two parts or adding the ability to collapse it? Thanks, Markhh ( talk) 02:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
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There is a gaggle of artists in the last column of the cast table with no sense of what production each was in. It's been that way since it was added here.
I suggest at least limiting it to stage actors (the other media ones are listed elsewhere in the article), and adding in parenthesis after each name the date - if american production - and location and date if elsewhere (like the London stage production, for example). or better, columns like seen at Company_(musical)#Principal_casts. - jc37 07:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
We have reached the point of more heat than light. Several editors have explained core policies such as V, OR, and RS to B C R M. There is a clear consensus to not designate which roles are principal/leading in the list of charaters. It is time for B C R M to drop the stick. If they continue, I would be more than happy to partial block them for disruptive editing. -- In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 14:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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The article does not distinguish the five principal singing roles, a clear deficiency. Two methods I have tried, asterisks and footnote, have been reversed. There is no obvious place to go for a citation. Nor is this a matter of "original research" in that nobody would dispute which of the 12 or 13 solo roles we are talking about. So how do we overcome the deficiency? B C R M ( talk) 11:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Of course it’s damaging. Aside from the fact people lose confidence if information is unsourced, without citations we end up with people adding trivia (like who are a “principals” in a show), and worse, they get it wrong, disagreeing with better sources than their own opinion. -
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We list 13 roles, undifferentiated. This does not much help the reader. The Rodgers & Hammerstein Organization (not a great source) lists 10 “main characters” and 2 “supporting characters.” StageAgent (ditto) lists 16 “characters” classified as 5 “leads,” 7 “supporting” and 4 “featured.” In fact there are 5 principal singing roles (not aligned with StageAgent’s “leads”). These are clearly identifiable from the score, which is of course the only source that matters, and they should accordingly be identified in our article. I propose the addition to the list of the 3 missing characters and the following line at the start of the “Roles” section: Note: Julie, Magnolia, Queenie, Ravenal and Joe are the principal singing roles. Or asterisks by these in the list followed by an explanation. I suggest that editors involved in musical theatre obtain for themselves an education in the “utility” (Ssilvers’ word) for readers, especially readers new to a subject, of identified principal singing roles. It matters. It is, as illustration, the first breakdown at the above two source sites. Moreover, nobody wants to be confronted by a tag-team armed with wp:original research, wp:reliable source, wp:v, wp:civil, when they are trying to contribute, and this type of tool use runs counter to the recent messages I have received as a new account holder. B C R M ( talk) 08:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This needs to be its own topic because the whole point is that a "principal" role such as Mrs Hawks is not necessarily a singing one. B C R M ( talk) 09:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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The newly added table of cast members in multiple productions is a fine addition to the article. However, its width is twice that of the margins of the rest of the article. This throws the display of the article out of line - reduced to a small column on the left of the screen. Is there a way to fix this? Possibly splitting the table into two parts or adding the ability to collapse it? Thanks, Markhh ( talk) 02:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
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There is a gaggle of artists in the last column of the cast table with no sense of what production each was in. It's been that way since it was added here.
I suggest at least limiting it to stage actors (the other media ones are listed elsewhere in the article), and adding in parenthesis after each name the date - if american production - and location and date if elsewhere (like the London stage production, for example). or better, columns like seen at Company_(musical)#Principal_casts. - jc37 07:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
We have reached the point of more heat than light. Several editors have explained core policies such as V, OR, and RS to B C R M. There is a clear consensus to not designate which roles are principal/leading in the list of charaters. It is time for B C R M to drop the stick. If they continue, I would be more than happy to partial block them for disruptive editing. -- In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 14:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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The article does not distinguish the five principal singing roles, a clear deficiency. Two methods I have tried, asterisks and footnote, have been reversed. There is no obvious place to go for a citation. Nor is this a matter of "original research" in that nobody would dispute which of the 12 or 13 solo roles we are talking about. So how do we overcome the deficiency? B C R M ( talk) 11:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Of course it’s damaging. Aside from the fact people lose confidence if information is unsourced, without citations we end up with people adding trivia (like who are a “principals” in a show), and worse, they get it wrong, disagreeing with better sources than their own opinion. -
SchroCat (
talk)
16:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
We list 13 roles, undifferentiated. This does not much help the reader. The Rodgers & Hammerstein Organization (not a great source) lists 10 “main characters” and 2 “supporting characters.” StageAgent (ditto) lists 16 “characters” classified as 5 “leads,” 7 “supporting” and 4 “featured.” In fact there are 5 principal singing roles (not aligned with StageAgent’s “leads”). These are clearly identifiable from the score, which is of course the only source that matters, and they should accordingly be identified in our article. I propose the addition to the list of the 3 missing characters and the following line at the start of the “Roles” section: Note: Julie, Magnolia, Queenie, Ravenal and Joe are the principal singing roles. Or asterisks by these in the list followed by an explanation. I suggest that editors involved in musical theatre obtain for themselves an education in the “utility” (Ssilvers’ word) for readers, especially readers new to a subject, of identified principal singing roles. It matters. It is, as illustration, the first breakdown at the above two source sites. Moreover, nobody wants to be confronted by a tag-team armed with wp:original research, wp:reliable source, wp:v, wp:civil, when they are trying to contribute, and this type of tool use runs counter to the recent messages I have received as a new account holder. B C R M ( talk) 08:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This needs to be its own topic because the whole point is that a "principal" role such as Mrs Hawks is not necessarily a singing one. B C R M ( talk) 09:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |