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I changed the text in the opening paragraph a bit and added some information in other spots. Please post messages here rather than just deleting my additions or going back to a previous version. Also, could someone please update this article with current information about the legality of shotacon in the United States? I think this article and the one for lolicon should be very similar on topics that apply to both of them. -- Temoshi 00:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I am going to begin deleting portions of the article that have yet to be backed up such as the section below, unless said section can be backed up.
shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, backed by studies done on the subject by the NHC (formerly the National Children's Homes).[citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.187.99 ( talk) 18:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
In currently running anime, Detective Conan, whose hero is a high school detective whose body was shrunk to a boy, can be considered a politically correct example of Shota-con.
ehm, the serie has absolutly nothing todo with yaoi. I moved this here
Edit: It is not only yaoi represented through shota, but there is also straight shota. Detective Conan (US: Case Closed) Depicts Conan's attempt to resume life as a detective, fruitlessly, as well as remain friends with his, now older, "friend" (ie. love interest).
Is there a term for the female equivalent of shota-con? Would be useful as a link for the child pornography page...anyone know? Can't turn much up on Google, it's difficult to construct a search. Am expecting a visit from Special Branch any time now, by the way. The things we do for research... -- AW
Derived from "Shotaro complex", Shota-con...
shotaru is an anime character in a very old anime and they named shotacon after him becuase he was considered very cute.
Is shotacon/lolicon considered to be child pornography and illegal in the United States in it's anime/manga form?
Forget where I heard this, but I'm sure the protect act was overturned as unconstitutional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.47.150 ( talk) 05:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Please pick one romanisation and stick with it. Is the "Sho" with a long or a short vowel? Currently the kana at the beginning of the article suggest that it would be short, so "shoutacon" (or possibly "shōtacon") would be incorrect ... however, if "Shotaro"'s name was spelled 小太郎, that would indicate a long vowel and mean that "Shoutaro" and hence "Shoutacon" (or possibly "Shō...") is the correct spelling. In that case the kana at the beginning would need to be changed too. 82.110.178.63 19:59, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Japanese romanization certainly is standardized enough to say that "shouta" is an incorrect romanization of ショタ. Certainly, one can say that both "syota" and "shota" are equally valid, but "shouta" is not correct in any Rōmaji system. 208.180.124.100 04:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
i can't seem to locate any shotacon imageboards.
i am looking for one similar to renchan.org ( i am a lolicon fan as well...)
any leads?
The page used to name the older and younger in such relationships. There is one Japanese word for the adult protagonist, and one for the young boy that is the subject of their attention. I see these words have been removed. What are these words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.148.5.119 ( talk) 04:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a long time believed that an equivalent picture for this article has been needed for a while, and so I finally located a decent picture towards that end. I thouroughly expect their to be screaming, crying, finger-pointing, and many wavings of pitchforks from angry villagers--be that way! This is about archiving and journalizing for reference purposes, and now all I need is the author's name and the book's ISBN. Sweetfreek 20:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Please, anyone knows about a shota artist named poju? And other call "Frenchie"? Where could i found their works? The Home page of mr. Poju don't have much images. And, the groups and blogs about Shota are ilegal? Anyone knows some shota anime like boku no pico?(a hentai shota)
I am all for open expression on Wikipedia, however i'm not certain that the images placed on this article are really necessary, in fact i'm wondering if they should be removed quickly due to the revised laws in the United States. -- Intimidated talk 05:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is basically without merit... first off, I think it's a terrible misuse of the term "meme." If it's the kind of thing people think and communicate about, it's probably a meme; there's no reason to label "shotacon" as a meme any more than anything else there's a wikipedia article about. The word doesn't mean "thing that circulates on the internet," despite 4chan and online quizzes using the term that way. Secondly, the section is basically just a description of Bridget and how popular he is. I have no objection with mentioning Bridget as a popular shota character, but there has to be a better way to do it.
Some time ago I added a stub for shotacon publications, that would cover some common anthologies. Soon after, someone deleted this, with no explanation or additions to the discussion page. What is the general consensus about whether or not this should be included in this article? For the time being, I'll add the section back, with a few titles to start out. - Temoshi 22:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
We currently have two fair use images on the same page. Thus clearly one of these is not fair use, and is instead a copyright violation, so I've removed one. In the event of copyright questions, all issues are to be resolved before the image is re-added, as noted in the
blocking policy.
brenneman
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I added a link to this, as someone might just misspell it. -- DanielCD 17:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed the links. We need to gather community consensus on the use of the these links. Will discuss more later. If someone wants to add them back, please explain why? FloNight talk 19:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Can someone else remove them. I've done it twice. FloNight talk 21:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The external links that I removed were not specific for the content of this article. They contain a variety of user uploaded sexually explicit images. Some are sexually explicit digital photo images of real people that are user uploaded. Many images are drawings or uploaded photos of females of all ages. These links seem to promote web sites that collect sexually explicit images. They add little value to the article and open up Wikipedia to the risk or promoting illegal images. FloNight talk 14:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Shochan - a Shotacon Community http://www.shochan.org/ - where are this site?
-- Shochan is a community for shotacon fanatics. It is more of a forum and a source for shotacon.
Whoever is keep removing links because of competition, I know who you are, please quit doing it.
Shotacon is a complex, yes, but it doesnt have to be a sexual one! Heres the translation of the japanese entry: Shoutarou-complex (正太郎コンプレックス) describes the love or the 'being attracted to' young boys (shounen). Its also the word to describe a person who feels said love/attraction. Its a neologism and the shortcut 'shota' is often used.
the manga Loveless for example is clearly shotacon, but theres no sex implied or shown. same with +Anima. It shows relationships with boys, the manga is dedicated to boys, but sex is only a part of the genre. CuffedCatboy 19:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The most images and references, what i got, have a sexual conotation. More than pure sexual, the bondage, slavery are presents too. The works of Poju and some others artists, wich i can't remember the names, are pure sexual material. If you looking for "SHOTA" in images of the google page you are found references of this. Some people say the manipulate charachters of naruto, dragon ball etc is just a Yaoi version of them, but the sexuality and the porn is still present. What I want to say is: Actually, the term Shotacom is relationed to Sexual desire or sexual relations between boys and adult men or even boys and boys.
"Like lolicon, shotacon often depicts children in sexual situations with adults. While the shotacon community argues that drawn art is protected under freedom of speech, critics claim shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, though there is no evidence or documented cases to back this claim." Where are the sources to this claim? Highly reliable studies have concluded that approximately a quarter of all adult males are attracted to children, and overhelming number of pedophiles are decent people. Only a small minority abuse children. The article is very one sided and feminist-conservative in nature. I think we should do serious liberal revisions of this page, because people who have this attraction should certainly not be ashamed of themselves - there is no reason for that, no matter what conservative minds might say. The extent to which pedophilia occurs is not known with any certainty. Some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with children (Source: Freund, K. and Costell, R. (1970). "The structure of erotic preference in the nondeviant male." Behaviour Research & Therapy 8 (1), 15-20. Quinsey, V. L. et al. (1975). "Penile circumference, skin conductance, and ranking responses of child molesters and 'normals' to sexual and nonsexual visual stimuli." Behavior Therapy. 6, 213-219.) Bosniak 03:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
And yet, as you yourself say on your talk page (and I quote), "Whether you agree or disagree with the facts of the case - it's irrelevant. This is Wikipedia, and not your personal web page where you can throw anything you want." Exploding Boy 03:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I never even mentioned genocide. I'm simply pointing out that you can believe whatever you like, but you can't add whatever you like to Wikipedia articles. Exploding Boy 05:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In the " Non hentai anime woth shotacon themes" it says that Steel Angel Kurumi is an example of shotacon, but is there any source that says, Kurumi and karinka and full-grown women?-- David13579 00:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... looking at the pages for Hentai and Lolicon, I find there to be no links to websites with gallerys, images, doujins or, really, sexual depictions of any extreme. What is the reasoning behind the linking to sites containing hentai shotacon? -- 24.222.241.186 14:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
On this page it says: "critics claim shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, backed by studies done on the subject by the NHC" However, on lolicon it says: "An argument is that obscene fictional images portray children as sex objects, thereby contributing to child sexual abuse. This argument has been disputed by the claim that there is no scientific basis for that connection, and that restricting sexual expression in drawings or animated games and videos might actually increase the rate of sexual crime by eliminating a harmless outlet for desires that could motivate crime" Now this NHC information could be completely inaccurate, and should be taken off the page before more people use it as a referance. On the flipside, it could be a well respected and undisputed study and should be put on both pages. However, also likely is that the evidence is non-conclusive or conflicting. This issue is not adressed, so those that read the lolicon argument may think there is an absense of scientific evidence that reading shotacon/lolicon increases child abuse. Similarly, people that read the shotacon article may think its scientific fact that such materials increase child abuse incidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.159.199 ( talk) 08:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a lot of yaoi friends & we each have our fetishes & we teach eachother our aquired vocabularies. One of my friends has a Syouta preference. She says that MOST Japanese websites say Shota instead of Shotacom & that it's usually spelled in English with a y instead of an H. It's been 10 years & she's sticking with it. -Unsigned, Undated
Alright, we can't have unsourced statements staying around forever. Has anyone found this study from the NHC and found out if it is a reputable source that is being accurately interpreted? If not, I think the last part 'backed by...' should be removed, and simply leave the claims of critics as unfounded. It is improper to claim in the article that claims are backed without actually backing them. Tyciol ( talk) 02:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The claim that most homosexual males enjoy shota? Where does that come from? It looks like a prejudiced assumption, really... Really, nothing in that section is backed up by anything. And it's been there forever, and has never had any citations. I say we remove it. 68.120.227.244 ( talk) 19:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Just a quick post to request consensus to remove an external link. I belong to Shochan and our servers have basically snuffed it. We are offline, off air and to all intent and purpose, dead; at least for the time being till one of us can speak to the Server Manager. :) Thor Malmjursson ( talk) 16:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the section titled Non-hentai series with shotacon themes because it was becoming a laundry list full of original research. There really wasn't a specific purpose to the list other then as a form of trivia. It only takes a couple of examples to illustrate the subject instead of 13 and growing. I've also tagged the controversy section, which should be integrated into other parts of the article where sourced. I've tagged Shotacon publications, Shotacon anime, and Shotacon video games as unencyopedic because they skirts close to WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I also question the need to include any anime, manga, or video game outside contextual examples. -- Farix ( Talk) 06:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to structure the article similar to Lolicon, but without the huge legal section. The original Japanese language article could be used as a structural reference and the sourceable information translated and included here. The original lead contained a lot of jargon, which should generally be avoided.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFarix ( talk • contribs)
Regarding the legality of Shota in the United States, the first man convited under the "expanded" child porn law made me wonder about the legal status of shota and, if it is illegal, how we should work that into the article. Please examine this news item: TimesDispatch from the news item:
Granted this is more about lolicon but if one is illegal, surely the other is too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychedelicfrog ( talk • contribs) 11:44, December 2, 2005
I feel that the definition of Shota-kon given by this page is overly specific. Shota-kon has absolutely no sexual denotation or connotation. The term is a sweeping generalization of all people who are particlarly attracted to shota characters in ACG (Anime, Comic, Game). This does not have to be sexual, and therefore in no way pedophilic, as I feel that this page suggests. The shota-kon described here only describes the extreme form of shota-kon, in the forms found only in 18+ ACG genres. I would like to see the focus of this page be altered, since the term shota-kon is not given its full definition here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojorocko ( talk • contribs) 21:23, January 27, 2006
Redirected from Gotoh? Why? Gotoh is a maker of guitar hardware (bridges, tuners, etc). When I typed Gotoh in the search bar I got redirected here with no explanation. There doesn't seem to be any further mention of Gotoh in the article to explain why. User:thinkpad20 —Preceding undated comment added 04:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC).
Since lolicon has two pics I realized it'd only be fair this have a couple. Has nobody come foreward with some kind of freely distributed example of this? I'd think it'd be easier to find with how it crosses into yaoi territory. Perhaps nabbing clipping a picture of the first two characters in this picture: File:Host_Club_episode_3.PNG will do until we find a more specific example? First shota that comes to mind at the moment (even though he's one of those "older than he looks" examples, in a non-H romance-comedy series. Tyciol ( talk) 02:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit by an unknown user that stated that male-male shotacon "is consumed mostly by bisexual or pansexual males". Currently, there is no demographic information as to the actual readership of male-targeted shotacon that I know of (if anyone has cites I'd be very grateful if they would share them), but most male-male shotacon is marketed primarily to straight-(identified) men; a significant portion is published in otherwise-heterosexual porn magazines, and, judging from the ads and cross-promotional material they carry, most of the m/m-shota specialty magazines also target predominantly straight-identified men, not men who are attracted to other (adult, masculine) men. The (professionally published) works that explicitly marketed to gay and bisexual men, which were a minority, tended to be quite distinct in style and presentation and cary entirely different advertising (back when there were any; currently the gay-targeted shota magazines that I know of are defunct, and shota for gay men appears in general bara magazines, on the web and in doujinshi). (The doujinshi market is a mess, I won't generalize about that.) My opinion is that male-male seijin shotacon is, functionally, the intersection of lolicon and futanari; many of the consumers are quite vocal in their lack of interest in actual men (to put it mildly). Perhaps in the US, which does not have the same history of presenting cross-dressed or gender-ambiguous individuals as appropriate targets of straight-identified male desire, consumers of this sort of material are more likely to identify as something other than straight, but in terms of the Japanese audience the publishers seem to have quite firm expectations about their readership. - JRBrown ( talk) 14:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd argue that, in the Western world at least, the 'non-sexual' aspect is more prominent. Particularly on sort of social media and such. Granted that's mostly anecdotal evidence, but I think it's worth some kind of change to that section. 50.100.48.26 ( talk) 02:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I changed the text in the opening paragraph a bit and added some information in other spots. Please post messages here rather than just deleting my additions or going back to a previous version. Also, could someone please update this article with current information about the legality of shotacon in the United States? I think this article and the one for lolicon should be very similar on topics that apply to both of them. -- Temoshi 00:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I am going to begin deleting portions of the article that have yet to be backed up such as the section below, unless said section can be backed up.
shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, backed by studies done on the subject by the NHC (formerly the National Children's Homes).[citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.187.99 ( talk) 18:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
In currently running anime, Detective Conan, whose hero is a high school detective whose body was shrunk to a boy, can be considered a politically correct example of Shota-con.
ehm, the serie has absolutly nothing todo with yaoi. I moved this here
Edit: It is not only yaoi represented through shota, but there is also straight shota. Detective Conan (US: Case Closed) Depicts Conan's attempt to resume life as a detective, fruitlessly, as well as remain friends with his, now older, "friend" (ie. love interest).
Is there a term for the female equivalent of shota-con? Would be useful as a link for the child pornography page...anyone know? Can't turn much up on Google, it's difficult to construct a search. Am expecting a visit from Special Branch any time now, by the way. The things we do for research... -- AW
Derived from "Shotaro complex", Shota-con...
shotaru is an anime character in a very old anime and they named shotacon after him becuase he was considered very cute.
Is shotacon/lolicon considered to be child pornography and illegal in the United States in it's anime/manga form?
Forget where I heard this, but I'm sure the protect act was overturned as unconstitutional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.47.150 ( talk) 05:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Please pick one romanisation and stick with it. Is the "Sho" with a long or a short vowel? Currently the kana at the beginning of the article suggest that it would be short, so "shoutacon" (or possibly "shōtacon") would be incorrect ... however, if "Shotaro"'s name was spelled 小太郎, that would indicate a long vowel and mean that "Shoutaro" and hence "Shoutacon" (or possibly "Shō...") is the correct spelling. In that case the kana at the beginning would need to be changed too. 82.110.178.63 19:59, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Japanese romanization certainly is standardized enough to say that "shouta" is an incorrect romanization of ショタ. Certainly, one can say that both "syota" and "shota" are equally valid, but "shouta" is not correct in any Rōmaji system. 208.180.124.100 04:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
i can't seem to locate any shotacon imageboards.
i am looking for one similar to renchan.org ( i am a lolicon fan as well...)
any leads?
The page used to name the older and younger in such relationships. There is one Japanese word for the adult protagonist, and one for the young boy that is the subject of their attention. I see these words have been removed. What are these words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.148.5.119 ( talk) 04:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a long time believed that an equivalent picture for this article has been needed for a while, and so I finally located a decent picture towards that end. I thouroughly expect their to be screaming, crying, finger-pointing, and many wavings of pitchforks from angry villagers--be that way! This is about archiving and journalizing for reference purposes, and now all I need is the author's name and the book's ISBN. Sweetfreek 20:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Please, anyone knows about a shota artist named poju? And other call "Frenchie"? Where could i found their works? The Home page of mr. Poju don't have much images. And, the groups and blogs about Shota are ilegal? Anyone knows some shota anime like boku no pico?(a hentai shota)
I am all for open expression on Wikipedia, however i'm not certain that the images placed on this article are really necessary, in fact i'm wondering if they should be removed quickly due to the revised laws in the United States. -- Intimidated talk 05:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is basically without merit... first off, I think it's a terrible misuse of the term "meme." If it's the kind of thing people think and communicate about, it's probably a meme; there's no reason to label "shotacon" as a meme any more than anything else there's a wikipedia article about. The word doesn't mean "thing that circulates on the internet," despite 4chan and online quizzes using the term that way. Secondly, the section is basically just a description of Bridget and how popular he is. I have no objection with mentioning Bridget as a popular shota character, but there has to be a better way to do it.
Some time ago I added a stub for shotacon publications, that would cover some common anthologies. Soon after, someone deleted this, with no explanation or additions to the discussion page. What is the general consensus about whether or not this should be included in this article? For the time being, I'll add the section back, with a few titles to start out. - Temoshi 22:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
We currently have two fair use images on the same page. Thus clearly one of these is not fair use, and is instead a copyright violation, so I've removed one. In the event of copyright questions, all issues are to be resolved before the image is re-added, as noted in the
blocking policy.
brenneman
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I added a link to this, as someone might just misspell it. -- DanielCD 17:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed the links. We need to gather community consensus on the use of the these links. Will discuss more later. If someone wants to add them back, please explain why? FloNight talk 19:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Can someone else remove them. I've done it twice. FloNight talk 21:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The external links that I removed were not specific for the content of this article. They contain a variety of user uploaded sexually explicit images. Some are sexually explicit digital photo images of real people that are user uploaded. Many images are drawings or uploaded photos of females of all ages. These links seem to promote web sites that collect sexually explicit images. They add little value to the article and open up Wikipedia to the risk or promoting illegal images. FloNight talk 14:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Shochan - a Shotacon Community http://www.shochan.org/ - where are this site?
-- Shochan is a community for shotacon fanatics. It is more of a forum and a source for shotacon.
Whoever is keep removing links because of competition, I know who you are, please quit doing it.
Shotacon is a complex, yes, but it doesnt have to be a sexual one! Heres the translation of the japanese entry: Shoutarou-complex (正太郎コンプレックス) describes the love or the 'being attracted to' young boys (shounen). Its also the word to describe a person who feels said love/attraction. Its a neologism and the shortcut 'shota' is often used.
the manga Loveless for example is clearly shotacon, but theres no sex implied or shown. same with +Anima. It shows relationships with boys, the manga is dedicated to boys, but sex is only a part of the genre. CuffedCatboy 19:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The most images and references, what i got, have a sexual conotation. More than pure sexual, the bondage, slavery are presents too. The works of Poju and some others artists, wich i can't remember the names, are pure sexual material. If you looking for "SHOTA" in images of the google page you are found references of this. Some people say the manipulate charachters of naruto, dragon ball etc is just a Yaoi version of them, but the sexuality and the porn is still present. What I want to say is: Actually, the term Shotacom is relationed to Sexual desire or sexual relations between boys and adult men or even boys and boys.
"Like lolicon, shotacon often depicts children in sexual situations with adults. While the shotacon community argues that drawn art is protected under freedom of speech, critics claim shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, though there is no evidence or documented cases to back this claim." Where are the sources to this claim? Highly reliable studies have concluded that approximately a quarter of all adult males are attracted to children, and overhelming number of pedophiles are decent people. Only a small minority abuse children. The article is very one sided and feminist-conservative in nature. I think we should do serious liberal revisions of this page, because people who have this attraction should certainly not be ashamed of themselves - there is no reason for that, no matter what conservative minds might say. The extent to which pedophilia occurs is not known with any certainty. Some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with children (Source: Freund, K. and Costell, R. (1970). "The structure of erotic preference in the nondeviant male." Behaviour Research & Therapy 8 (1), 15-20. Quinsey, V. L. et al. (1975). "Penile circumference, skin conductance, and ranking responses of child molesters and 'normals' to sexual and nonsexual visual stimuli." Behavior Therapy. 6, 213-219.) Bosniak 03:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
And yet, as you yourself say on your talk page (and I quote), "Whether you agree or disagree with the facts of the case - it's irrelevant. This is Wikipedia, and not your personal web page where you can throw anything you want." Exploding Boy 03:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I never even mentioned genocide. I'm simply pointing out that you can believe whatever you like, but you can't add whatever you like to Wikipedia articles. Exploding Boy 05:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In the " Non hentai anime woth shotacon themes" it says that Steel Angel Kurumi is an example of shotacon, but is there any source that says, Kurumi and karinka and full-grown women?-- David13579 00:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... looking at the pages for Hentai and Lolicon, I find there to be no links to websites with gallerys, images, doujins or, really, sexual depictions of any extreme. What is the reasoning behind the linking to sites containing hentai shotacon? -- 24.222.241.186 14:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
On this page it says: "critics claim shotacon is a direct offshoot of child pornography and may lead to child sexual abuse, backed by studies done on the subject by the NHC" However, on lolicon it says: "An argument is that obscene fictional images portray children as sex objects, thereby contributing to child sexual abuse. This argument has been disputed by the claim that there is no scientific basis for that connection, and that restricting sexual expression in drawings or animated games and videos might actually increase the rate of sexual crime by eliminating a harmless outlet for desires that could motivate crime" Now this NHC information could be completely inaccurate, and should be taken off the page before more people use it as a referance. On the flipside, it could be a well respected and undisputed study and should be put on both pages. However, also likely is that the evidence is non-conclusive or conflicting. This issue is not adressed, so those that read the lolicon argument may think there is an absense of scientific evidence that reading shotacon/lolicon increases child abuse. Similarly, people that read the shotacon article may think its scientific fact that such materials increase child abuse incidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.159.199 ( talk) 08:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a lot of yaoi friends & we each have our fetishes & we teach eachother our aquired vocabularies. One of my friends has a Syouta preference. She says that MOST Japanese websites say Shota instead of Shotacom & that it's usually spelled in English with a y instead of an H. It's been 10 years & she's sticking with it. -Unsigned, Undated
Alright, we can't have unsourced statements staying around forever. Has anyone found this study from the NHC and found out if it is a reputable source that is being accurately interpreted? If not, I think the last part 'backed by...' should be removed, and simply leave the claims of critics as unfounded. It is improper to claim in the article that claims are backed without actually backing them. Tyciol ( talk) 02:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The claim that most homosexual males enjoy shota? Where does that come from? It looks like a prejudiced assumption, really... Really, nothing in that section is backed up by anything. And it's been there forever, and has never had any citations. I say we remove it. 68.120.227.244 ( talk) 19:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Just a quick post to request consensus to remove an external link. I belong to Shochan and our servers have basically snuffed it. We are offline, off air and to all intent and purpose, dead; at least for the time being till one of us can speak to the Server Manager. :) Thor Malmjursson ( talk) 16:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the section titled Non-hentai series with shotacon themes because it was becoming a laundry list full of original research. There really wasn't a specific purpose to the list other then as a form of trivia. It only takes a couple of examples to illustrate the subject instead of 13 and growing. I've also tagged the controversy section, which should be integrated into other parts of the article where sourced. I've tagged Shotacon publications, Shotacon anime, and Shotacon video games as unencyopedic because they skirts close to WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I also question the need to include any anime, manga, or video game outside contextual examples. -- Farix ( Talk) 06:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to structure the article similar to Lolicon, but without the huge legal section. The original Japanese language article could be used as a structural reference and the sourceable information translated and included here. The original lead contained a lot of jargon, which should generally be avoided.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFarix ( talk • contribs)
Regarding the legality of Shota in the United States, the first man convited under the "expanded" child porn law made me wonder about the legal status of shota and, if it is illegal, how we should work that into the article. Please examine this news item: TimesDispatch from the news item:
Granted this is more about lolicon but if one is illegal, surely the other is too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychedelicfrog ( talk • contribs) 11:44, December 2, 2005
I feel that the definition of Shota-kon given by this page is overly specific. Shota-kon has absolutely no sexual denotation or connotation. The term is a sweeping generalization of all people who are particlarly attracted to shota characters in ACG (Anime, Comic, Game). This does not have to be sexual, and therefore in no way pedophilic, as I feel that this page suggests. The shota-kon described here only describes the extreme form of shota-kon, in the forms found only in 18+ ACG genres. I would like to see the focus of this page be altered, since the term shota-kon is not given its full definition here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojorocko ( talk • contribs) 21:23, January 27, 2006
Redirected from Gotoh? Why? Gotoh is a maker of guitar hardware (bridges, tuners, etc). When I typed Gotoh in the search bar I got redirected here with no explanation. There doesn't seem to be any further mention of Gotoh in the article to explain why. User:thinkpad20 —Preceding undated comment added 04:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC).
Since lolicon has two pics I realized it'd only be fair this have a couple. Has nobody come foreward with some kind of freely distributed example of this? I'd think it'd be easier to find with how it crosses into yaoi territory. Perhaps nabbing clipping a picture of the first two characters in this picture: File:Host_Club_episode_3.PNG will do until we find a more specific example? First shota that comes to mind at the moment (even though he's one of those "older than he looks" examples, in a non-H romance-comedy series. Tyciol ( talk) 02:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit by an unknown user that stated that male-male shotacon "is consumed mostly by bisexual or pansexual males". Currently, there is no demographic information as to the actual readership of male-targeted shotacon that I know of (if anyone has cites I'd be very grateful if they would share them), but most male-male shotacon is marketed primarily to straight-(identified) men; a significant portion is published in otherwise-heterosexual porn magazines, and, judging from the ads and cross-promotional material they carry, most of the m/m-shota specialty magazines also target predominantly straight-identified men, not men who are attracted to other (adult, masculine) men. The (professionally published) works that explicitly marketed to gay and bisexual men, which were a minority, tended to be quite distinct in style and presentation and cary entirely different advertising (back when there were any; currently the gay-targeted shota magazines that I know of are defunct, and shota for gay men appears in general bara magazines, on the web and in doujinshi). (The doujinshi market is a mess, I won't generalize about that.) My opinion is that male-male seijin shotacon is, functionally, the intersection of lolicon and futanari; many of the consumers are quite vocal in their lack of interest in actual men (to put it mildly). Perhaps in the US, which does not have the same history of presenting cross-dressed or gender-ambiguous individuals as appropriate targets of straight-identified male desire, consumers of this sort of material are more likely to identify as something other than straight, but in terms of the Japanese audience the publishers seem to have quite firm expectations about their readership. - JRBrown ( talk) 14:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd argue that, in the Western world at least, the 'non-sexual' aspect is more prominent. Particularly on sort of social media and such. Granted that's mostly anecdotal evidence, but I think it's worth some kind of change to that section. 50.100.48.26 ( talk) 02:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)