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Does any body know which school the boy with the purple blazer and grey shorts belongs too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.60.43 ( talk) 23:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
The following have been identified as issues in this articles. Wikipedians from countries other than the USA are asked to help resolve some of them as many result from a lack of a broader multicultural worldview. Please add to this list if needed.-- Lendorien ( talk) 17:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the missing (!!!) Short Shorts to the list along with annotations and external references. (Daisy Dukes and hot pants were a much later spin-off of short shorts.) The entry also mentions The Purple People Eater and the Short Shorts song. For those who might be interested, I didn't consider the lyrics appropriate for the main article (feel free to disagree), but I include the gist of the lyrics here.
In the Short Shorts song, these lyrics are repeated 3 times interspersed with saxophone and guitar solos:
In The Purple People Eater song, the chorus and the people eater itself refer to the earlier Short Shorts song as well as the fashion in two of its stanzas. For example:
-- UnicornTapestry ( talk) 16:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I wish someone would write about breeches, specifically where I can get some nowadays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.112.208 ( talk) 21:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The article seemed to be riddled with vandalism and inaccuracies. Speculation runs rampant and even goes so far as to insult a university which seemingly has nothing to do with the article. True clean up is desperately needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.105.34 ( talk) 03:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Since the beggining of the scouting movement there has been an asociation with shorts and until not so long ago, was one of the very few reasons why a grown man would wear shorts in the UK.( 86.152.184.218 ( talk) 20:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC))
My pants definately never cover my entire leg as the article says. Not that you'd be able to see, because not being insane, I wear trousers or sometimes shorts over them. 89.243.204.148 ( talk) 21:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed! This is silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.156.37.54 ( talk) 13:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Preferably one that wasn't taken by a stalker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.55.2 ( talk) 08:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm assuming good faith, but still, I do think it's unnecessary for the article to have two photographs showing rear views of walking females wearing tightly-fitting, short-inseam shorts. Perhaps a composite image showing different types of shorts would be more informative as a main image. 75.36.159.238 ( talk) 07:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I've tagged this article.
Poorly written:
The "board" refers to surfboards although many others also wear them.
Inaccurate:
Hot pants were very popular in the early 1970s, especially with baseball's Philadelphia Phillies, who created a unit of usherettes called the Hot Pants Patrol.
Despite the name, the Hot Pants Patrol wore a kind of all-in-one tunic with short, tight legs attached, so although they gave a hot-pants effect, they were not hot pants at all. See [ here] and [ here]. Also the popularity of hot-pants began in the late '60s.
Contradictory statements:
...but the perception of shorts as being only for young boys took several decades to change and to some extent still exists in certain circles.
but:
Today, shorts are worn by either sex from birth through old age without any stigma attached.
Description of boyshorts does not match that on boyshorts page (problem may be with either definition).
Bad definitions and baseless generalisations:
Slackettes: A term coined in the late 20th century by the fashion cognoscenti of the New York City neighborhood of Nolita
Hoaxy or too limited in usage. The term might have been coined in Nolita, but it doesn't seem to have ever been known anywhere else.
Indeed, the Times of India is the only source listed for "Slackettes" -- and the link is a fashion column reporting it as pure hearsay from half a planet away. Seems like a hoax or a joke. 72.244.120.22 ( talk) 23:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Zip-off shorts: A pair of long pants that zip off at the knee, allowing the wearer to change from pants to shorts as the weather changes. These have become a common casual fashion item all over the world in the past decade or so.
I'm not convinced these are called 'zip-off shorts', I have more normally heard them called 'zip-off pants' and 'zip-off trousers', unsurprising, as the whole garment is a pair of trousers that can be converted to shorts by unzipping the lower legs. Google is of limited use here in checking use of the term, as the vendors of these garments form the majority of google hits, and on their pages the word 'pants' (or trousers) is always used close to the word 'shorts' in describing these garments.
The Switchback trousers worn at certain times by the Boy Scouts of America are in their WKP article referred to as cargo pants that convert to shorts, not vice-versa. Even the picture in this article of the ventilated garments illustrating 'zip-offs' refers to them as trousers rather than shorts. Perhaps that paragraph needs moving to the trousers article, as (surprisingly) there is no mention of zip-offs there at all.
I've made a start on these issues. There is an obvious unmentioned cross-over between the outerwear style of bootyshorts, hotpants and 'short shorts'. Meanwhile Daisy Dukes (which are just home-made denim hotpants) have their own article. Hmm. Also bootyshorts are marooned in the boyshorts lingerie article. Centrepull ( talk) 07:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Matters are further complicated by the fact that "shorts" in American English can refer to underwear
Despite being born and raised in the USA, I have never heard this usage, except in the listed (British?) exception "boxer shorts." Can someone find a citation to verify this statement? Perhaps it is regional usage?
Carychan (
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08:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Seconded. Also lifelong USA, also never heard that usage outside of "boxer shorts" or the obviously related "boyshorts." Six months later, there's still no cite or response. This really needs a citation or someone should consider deleting it.
72.244.120.22 (
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23:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I was sure I had come across this usage, so I looked it up in some dictionaries.
-- Alarics ( talk) 08:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Carychan and the subsequent contributor. Having discussed with friends and relatives, with origins in the southeast, south and west of the USA, that shorts are shorts and not underwear. Male underwear might be briefs, drawers, or specific colloquialisms such as boxers or tighty-whiteys, but never shorts. I found this confirmed by various web sites for clothing and department stores (jcpenney, sears, walmart, yahoo shopping, amazon, etc), where searches for "mens shorts" invariably produced results that are not underwear, and only words such as "briefs" or "underwear" produces what you expect. I recognize that dictionaries have authority, but this example suggests that what they define is not necessarily as accurate as you might think. Whatever might have been true in the past, the reality of life today in the USA is that shorts are not male underwear. So if the comment is to be retained, it should be mentioned that dictionaries suggest what reality denies. 74.177.60.150 ( talk) 17:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Men's underpants are normally known as "skivvy shorts" (or just skivvies) in the US Navy. 66.232.244.253 ( talk) 02:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
The style of shorts are not reversing. They are actually getting longer. Usually only older men wear short shorts now a days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 14:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Slackettes is not a term used regularly. The only sources listed here is a six-year-old article from the Times of India. Suggest deleting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.181.170 ( talk) 19:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
It did not start in 19th Century, and it was not out of the blue, there is history that starts with ancient times. Why there is nothing about it in this article? 37.144.65.76 ( talk) 20:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I put a lot of effort/time into researching this topic & yes, people most certainly would have wore some version of shorts long ago. The problem is that; shorts preceding the 19th century, just doesn't seem to be a very well documented thing & thus what appeared to me to be zero references. Here is the summation of literally everything I could dig up on the topic. Crazybitterunicorn ( talk) 12:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I can see the benefits of having the main image showing people wearing shorts, but I don't think having the majority of the pictures being of women's behinds in tight/short shorts is very representative. I've changed it to a picture of two men in swimming trunks for now, but I don't think it's the best option.
I do think that any image used as the main one on this page should show a style of shorts that is one of the ones that is listed and described in the article. Anarchyshake ( talk) 04:02, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I am reading queen Camilla and this is in the book. Yet I do not know what city shorts are. 91.154.169.156 ( talk) 06:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
"Tailored shorts" image is missing. Vedo il Resegone ( talk) 22:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Does any body know which school the boy with the purple blazer and grey shorts belongs too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.60.43 ( talk) 23:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
The following have been identified as issues in this articles. Wikipedians from countries other than the USA are asked to help resolve some of them as many result from a lack of a broader multicultural worldview. Please add to this list if needed.-- Lendorien ( talk) 17:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the missing (!!!) Short Shorts to the list along with annotations and external references. (Daisy Dukes and hot pants were a much later spin-off of short shorts.) The entry also mentions The Purple People Eater and the Short Shorts song. For those who might be interested, I didn't consider the lyrics appropriate for the main article (feel free to disagree), but I include the gist of the lyrics here.
In the Short Shorts song, these lyrics are repeated 3 times interspersed with saxophone and guitar solos:
In The Purple People Eater song, the chorus and the people eater itself refer to the earlier Short Shorts song as well as the fashion in two of its stanzas. For example:
-- UnicornTapestry ( talk) 16:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I wish someone would write about breeches, specifically where I can get some nowadays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.112.208 ( talk) 21:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The article seemed to be riddled with vandalism and inaccuracies. Speculation runs rampant and even goes so far as to insult a university which seemingly has nothing to do with the article. True clean up is desperately needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.105.34 ( talk) 03:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Since the beggining of the scouting movement there has been an asociation with shorts and until not so long ago, was one of the very few reasons why a grown man would wear shorts in the UK.( 86.152.184.218 ( talk) 20:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC))
My pants definately never cover my entire leg as the article says. Not that you'd be able to see, because not being insane, I wear trousers or sometimes shorts over them. 89.243.204.148 ( talk) 21:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed! This is silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.156.37.54 ( talk) 13:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Preferably one that wasn't taken by a stalker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.55.2 ( talk) 08:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm assuming good faith, but still, I do think it's unnecessary for the article to have two photographs showing rear views of walking females wearing tightly-fitting, short-inseam shorts. Perhaps a composite image showing different types of shorts would be more informative as a main image. 75.36.159.238 ( talk) 07:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I've tagged this article.
Poorly written:
The "board" refers to surfboards although many others also wear them.
Inaccurate:
Hot pants were very popular in the early 1970s, especially with baseball's Philadelphia Phillies, who created a unit of usherettes called the Hot Pants Patrol.
Despite the name, the Hot Pants Patrol wore a kind of all-in-one tunic with short, tight legs attached, so although they gave a hot-pants effect, they were not hot pants at all. See [ here] and [ here]. Also the popularity of hot-pants began in the late '60s.
Contradictory statements:
...but the perception of shorts as being only for young boys took several decades to change and to some extent still exists in certain circles.
but:
Today, shorts are worn by either sex from birth through old age without any stigma attached.
Description of boyshorts does not match that on boyshorts page (problem may be with either definition).
Bad definitions and baseless generalisations:
Slackettes: A term coined in the late 20th century by the fashion cognoscenti of the New York City neighborhood of Nolita
Hoaxy or too limited in usage. The term might have been coined in Nolita, but it doesn't seem to have ever been known anywhere else.
Indeed, the Times of India is the only source listed for "Slackettes" -- and the link is a fashion column reporting it as pure hearsay from half a planet away. Seems like a hoax or a joke. 72.244.120.22 ( talk) 23:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Zip-off shorts: A pair of long pants that zip off at the knee, allowing the wearer to change from pants to shorts as the weather changes. These have become a common casual fashion item all over the world in the past decade or so.
I'm not convinced these are called 'zip-off shorts', I have more normally heard them called 'zip-off pants' and 'zip-off trousers', unsurprising, as the whole garment is a pair of trousers that can be converted to shorts by unzipping the lower legs. Google is of limited use here in checking use of the term, as the vendors of these garments form the majority of google hits, and on their pages the word 'pants' (or trousers) is always used close to the word 'shorts' in describing these garments.
The Switchback trousers worn at certain times by the Boy Scouts of America are in their WKP article referred to as cargo pants that convert to shorts, not vice-versa. Even the picture in this article of the ventilated garments illustrating 'zip-offs' refers to them as trousers rather than shorts. Perhaps that paragraph needs moving to the trousers article, as (surprisingly) there is no mention of zip-offs there at all.
I've made a start on these issues. There is an obvious unmentioned cross-over between the outerwear style of bootyshorts, hotpants and 'short shorts'. Meanwhile Daisy Dukes (which are just home-made denim hotpants) have their own article. Hmm. Also bootyshorts are marooned in the boyshorts lingerie article. Centrepull ( talk) 07:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Matters are further complicated by the fact that "shorts" in American English can refer to underwear
Despite being born and raised in the USA, I have never heard this usage, except in the listed (British?) exception "boxer shorts." Can someone find a citation to verify this statement? Perhaps it is regional usage?
Carychan (
talk)
08:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Seconded. Also lifelong USA, also never heard that usage outside of "boxer shorts" or the obviously related "boyshorts." Six months later, there's still no cite or response. This really needs a citation or someone should consider deleting it.
72.244.120.22 (
talk)
23:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I was sure I had come across this usage, so I looked it up in some dictionaries.
-- Alarics ( talk) 08:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Carychan and the subsequent contributor. Having discussed with friends and relatives, with origins in the southeast, south and west of the USA, that shorts are shorts and not underwear. Male underwear might be briefs, drawers, or specific colloquialisms such as boxers or tighty-whiteys, but never shorts. I found this confirmed by various web sites for clothing and department stores (jcpenney, sears, walmart, yahoo shopping, amazon, etc), where searches for "mens shorts" invariably produced results that are not underwear, and only words such as "briefs" or "underwear" produces what you expect. I recognize that dictionaries have authority, but this example suggests that what they define is not necessarily as accurate as you might think. Whatever might have been true in the past, the reality of life today in the USA is that shorts are not male underwear. So if the comment is to be retained, it should be mentioned that dictionaries suggest what reality denies. 74.177.60.150 ( talk) 17:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Men's underpants are normally known as "skivvy shorts" (or just skivvies) in the US Navy. 66.232.244.253 ( talk) 02:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
The style of shorts are not reversing. They are actually getting longer. Usually only older men wear short shorts now a days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 14:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Slackettes is not a term used regularly. The only sources listed here is a six-year-old article from the Times of India. Suggest deleting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.181.170 ( talk) 19:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
It did not start in 19th Century, and it was not out of the blue, there is history that starts with ancient times. Why there is nothing about it in this article? 37.144.65.76 ( talk) 20:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I put a lot of effort/time into researching this topic & yes, people most certainly would have wore some version of shorts long ago. The problem is that; shorts preceding the 19th century, just doesn't seem to be a very well documented thing & thus what appeared to me to be zero references. Here is the summation of literally everything I could dig up on the topic. Crazybitterunicorn ( talk) 12:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I can see the benefits of having the main image showing people wearing shorts, but I don't think having the majority of the pictures being of women's behinds in tight/short shorts is very representative. I've changed it to a picture of two men in swimming trunks for now, but I don't think it's the best option.
I do think that any image used as the main one on this page should show a style of shorts that is one of the ones that is listed and described in the article. Anarchyshake ( talk) 04:02, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I am reading queen Camilla and this is in the book. Yet I do not know what city shorts are. 91.154.169.156 ( talk) 06:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
"Tailored shorts" image is missing. Vedo il Resegone ( talk) 22:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)