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This is informal English and is used all over the article. I'd suggest this phrase be changed to "exchanged fire" or similar. Some guy 07:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I have rewritten the text of the Branch Davidian section in a way that hopefully helps to distinguish between the ATF and FBI phases of the siege. Also, I changed the deathcount. Arguably, only the initial ATF raid constituted a "shootout," and that for purposes of this article only those Davidians who died on February 28 should be counted. I looked at the format used for the Ruby Ridge and MOVE deaths to find a way to acknowledge the April 19 deaths in a way that fit in with the rest of the page. And the total also needed to be corrected from 75 to 82. -- WacoKid 21:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Pretty good, but I'd question the "raided" language, and also note in the body count that the April 19th deaths were a result of a conflagration, and not gunfire, or else those deaths should not be included in the body count at all. Lmj81 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Terrorism and shootouts are different. I would like serious consideration for the removal of both of these entries from the shootout page. Quinty 21:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The definition of shootout, according to the article, is "A shootout may also involve two groups outside of law enforcement, such as rival gangs. A shootout in a military context (i.e., regularly constituted armed forces or even guerilla or insurgent forces) would usually be considered a battle rather than a shootout." Entebbe and Munich, being a shootout between organized, guerilla forces (Uganda military and PLO) and authorities (Israeli military and German police), should not be in this article. 64.9.54.173 13:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a fair question, but hostage rescue operations also doesn't fit well under military firefights. Perhaps they need their own article. Lmj81 02:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the WP:LE tag because this article is about shootouts in general and not about a specific one involving law enforcement. EMT1871 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Although known as a siege, this British event included a gun battle, as described in the entry. I'd suggest it should be added here.-- Maltelauridsbrigge ( talk) 18:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are these snippets written in the present (or progressive) tense when they are about past events? -- Bejnar ( talk)
It seems like the writer of this article is writing from an American perspective with only 3 out of the 36 'famous' shootouts being in a different country. Obviously it isn't respective around the world with many more shootouts in history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 13:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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Shouldn't she be in this article somewhere? She was involved in a shootout that is still notorious in New Jersey, particularly after her later breaking out of jail and fleeing to Cuba. — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC) — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Joanne Chesimard — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
This article is just a list. It seems doubtful that a proper article on shootouts will emerge from it. Why not make this the list (notable shootouts/gun battles/firefights, "shootout" seems a tad ethnocentric) and make a new article?
I suggest that this 'example of racial violence and mutiny' be added to the section 'Other famous shootouts'-- Brenont ( talk) 12:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Someone who is looking for information on what a shootout is is likely not, in fact, looking for a poorly curated list of "shootouts". This article should chart who calls what a "shootout", and for jeez, for starters, a citation on the basic intro paragraph's definition. Otherwise this page should either be "List of Famous Shootouts" or simply exist as a wiktionary entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piassant ( talk • contribs) 09:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking about how broad the term "shootout" is and how common they can be, and how likely it is that the recently-fixed indiscriminate list issue might happen again. So I'd like to make some ground rules here for inclusion, lest this become a list article. I'm not trying to "take ownership" here, these are just strong suggestions.
Thoughts are appreciated. AdoTang ( talk) 17:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
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This is informal English and is used all over the article. I'd suggest this phrase be changed to "exchanged fire" or similar. Some guy 07:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I have rewritten the text of the Branch Davidian section in a way that hopefully helps to distinguish between the ATF and FBI phases of the siege. Also, I changed the deathcount. Arguably, only the initial ATF raid constituted a "shootout," and that for purposes of this article only those Davidians who died on February 28 should be counted. I looked at the format used for the Ruby Ridge and MOVE deaths to find a way to acknowledge the April 19 deaths in a way that fit in with the rest of the page. And the total also needed to be corrected from 75 to 82. -- WacoKid 21:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Pretty good, but I'd question the "raided" language, and also note in the body count that the April 19th deaths were a result of a conflagration, and not gunfire, or else those deaths should not be included in the body count at all. Lmj81 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Terrorism and shootouts are different. I would like serious consideration for the removal of both of these entries from the shootout page. Quinty 21:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The definition of shootout, according to the article, is "A shootout may also involve two groups outside of law enforcement, such as rival gangs. A shootout in a military context (i.e., regularly constituted armed forces or even guerilla or insurgent forces) would usually be considered a battle rather than a shootout." Entebbe and Munich, being a shootout between organized, guerilla forces (Uganda military and PLO) and authorities (Israeli military and German police), should not be in this article. 64.9.54.173 13:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a fair question, but hostage rescue operations also doesn't fit well under military firefights. Perhaps they need their own article. Lmj81 02:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the WP:LE tag because this article is about shootouts in general and not about a specific one involving law enforcement. EMT1871 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Although known as a siege, this British event included a gun battle, as described in the entry. I'd suggest it should be added here.-- Maltelauridsbrigge ( talk) 18:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are these snippets written in the present (or progressive) tense when they are about past events? -- Bejnar ( talk)
It seems like the writer of this article is writing from an American perspective with only 3 out of the 36 'famous' shootouts being in a different country. Obviously it isn't respective around the world with many more shootouts in history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 13:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 18:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't she be in this article somewhere? She was involved in a shootout that is still notorious in New Jersey, particularly after her later breaking out of jail and fleeing to Cuba. — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC) — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Joanne Chesimard — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 10:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
This article is just a list. It seems doubtful that a proper article on shootouts will emerge from it. Why not make this the list (notable shootouts/gun battles/firefights, "shootout" seems a tad ethnocentric) and make a new article?
I suggest that this 'example of racial violence and mutiny' be added to the section 'Other famous shootouts'-- Brenont ( talk) 12:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Someone who is looking for information on what a shootout is is likely not, in fact, looking for a poorly curated list of "shootouts". This article should chart who calls what a "shootout", and for jeez, for starters, a citation on the basic intro paragraph's definition. Otherwise this page should either be "List of Famous Shootouts" or simply exist as a wiktionary entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piassant ( talk • contribs) 09:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking about how broad the term "shootout" is and how common they can be, and how likely it is that the recently-fixed indiscriminate list issue might happen again. So I'd like to make some ground rules here for inclusion, lest this become a list article. I'm not trying to "take ownership" here, these are just strong suggestions.
Thoughts are appreciated. AdoTang ( talk) 17:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)