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Should this article be added to the Numismatics portal?- RHM22 ( talk) 23:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Here are some other points:
From the 1996 edition of Krause:
Hope this helps.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 03:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) the ones in Germany were actually thaler pieces, which are considerably smaller than the 5 franc pieces the Swiss used.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 04:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest this article be renamed "Shooting thaler". I don't think Shooting Thaler is actually a proper noun. If you want me to do it, I'll wave my magic wand.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I think I've done just about everything I can do with the article, aside from some minor stuff such as adding KM numbers for 20th and 21st century issues and adding a little information to the "other countries" section. Is there anything else besides those things that you can recommend to add?- RHM22 ( talk) 03:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I just finished creating the new tables. This time I've included much more information. Obverse, reverse and edge inscriptions and translations have been added, as well as extra information displayed at the bottom of the table if applicable. I wasn't able to find any extra information for some of the issues, so the "Notes:" section was left blank on those. I modeled the new tables off of the list of Belgian Euro commemorative coins.- RHM22 ( talk) 03:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I was checking this article over and comparing it to the manual of style and I noticed that numbers should be spelled when they can be spelled with one or two syllables. My question is, should I change denominations to match that? I know they should be left alone in translations, but what about in the "Denomination:" sections? for instance, if it says "Denomination: 10 batzen", should it be changed to "Denomination: ten batzen"?- RHM22 ( talk) 15:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I hate to cause a ruckus while the article is being considered for promotion, but it's partly because of its FLC that I noticed the article and its tables in the first place. Currently, the tables for each thaler are strictly for layout; they don't associate elements in each row with attributes in various columns. We've just got a dozen (or so) items arrayed sort of neatly in some boxes, and we happen to be using a table for that.
In my recent work with music discographies, among other things, I've been trying to get data arranged in more logical ways, in part to satisfy WP:ACCESS (now part of the MoS and so expected for FL and FA candidates). I had a tough time with these coins, although it's easy to see we have some inscriptions, some translations, some images that would seem to fit a tabular arrangement.
But rather than wax verbose, let me just point you to a prototype I worked up using the Glarus coin, so you can compare. It's at User:JohnFromPinckney/Sandbox3. It comes off taking up more space, unfortunately, and there are a few miscellaneous items lumped together in one box (labeled "Diverse", to which I am not strongly attached). However, there is a more logical arrangement in the prototype that even a non-sighted user should readily understand. I've added table code and mark-up that should let screen readers ( assistive technology) parse and read the headings and data; the current tables are sure to confuse such readers.
I see that someone has just deleted the level 4 headings which appeared in the TOC, so you can also ignore the hackish <h4 style="visibility:hidden; font-size:1px;">Glarus – 1847</h2>
I have in the prototype. Please take a look and see if it offers you anything you'd like to see incorporated in this FLC page. —
JohnFromPinckney (
talk)
04:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright, RHM22, good work (and a lot of it)! I finally made some time to come back to this. I have made some further changes to the latest version in my Sandbox, but I think I'm just going to copy it all right into the article. What I've done (not all of this has to do with tables and accessibility, you'll notice):
I notice, BTW, that the edge inscription for Solothurn is said to include "FREISCHIESEN". That word in German properly has two "S"s, but maybe it was really made with one "S". I can't check as I have no image nor access to the source.
I'm still not totally happy with the translation "free shoot", but I keep forgetting to ask for some verification/clarification. I'll try to remember to ask somebody this weekend.
I hope you like my changes. If you don't, they can be reverted in whole or in part, especially if you poke in the revision history of my Sandbox3 (or just ask me). I think that's it for now. Regards, — JohnFromPinckney ( talk) 21:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Admittedly you took the image and properly released it, but what about the coin? What's Swiss government policy on copyright of its coin designs? Or does the copyright rest with the canton or city, or the organizers of the Schutzenfest?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 17:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, I've nominated this for FL again. Hopefully the reviewers will like it! Thanks again to Wehwalt, JohnFromPinckney and other editors for helping me along on this one. There may be a few minor changes here and there, but I think it looks really good for the most part. This is the first article I created, and my personal favorite.- RHM22 ( talk) 04:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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The series of CIT coins, especially the ones that were not made for a federal festival, seem off topic to this page. There could be a shooting medal or List of Swiss shooting medals page with a much wider scope, which would include all sorts of much more notable medals struck since the 1820s.
As for the 2020 "shooting thaler", I am not even sure if this was still made by CIT. So far I have been able to establish:
The 2020 thaler is now on sale for about CHF 140 at various numismatics shops, but it isn't clear how the original distribution worked. It does not appear that it will be on sale at the festival itself, as it only 1,000 pieces were produced, clearly aimed at coin collectors and not intended as a souvenir to be bought by participants. It appears that the 1995 thaler for Thun was still produced in 5,000 pieces and was actually sold at the nominal value of CHF 50.
My current impression is that these CIT "shooting thalers" are mostly a cash grab aimed at (overseas?) coin collectors and have very little to do with the actual shooting festivals. I may be wrong.
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Should this article be added to the Numismatics portal?- RHM22 ( talk) 23:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Here are some other points:
From the 1996 edition of Krause:
Hope this helps.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 03:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) the ones in Germany were actually thaler pieces, which are considerably smaller than the 5 franc pieces the Swiss used.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 04:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest this article be renamed "Shooting thaler". I don't think Shooting Thaler is actually a proper noun. If you want me to do it, I'll wave my magic wand.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I think I've done just about everything I can do with the article, aside from some minor stuff such as adding KM numbers for 20th and 21st century issues and adding a little information to the "other countries" section. Is there anything else besides those things that you can recommend to add?- RHM22 ( talk) 03:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I just finished creating the new tables. This time I've included much more information. Obverse, reverse and edge inscriptions and translations have been added, as well as extra information displayed at the bottom of the table if applicable. I wasn't able to find any extra information for some of the issues, so the "Notes:" section was left blank on those. I modeled the new tables off of the list of Belgian Euro commemorative coins.- RHM22 ( talk) 03:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I was checking this article over and comparing it to the manual of style and I noticed that numbers should be spelled when they can be spelled with one or two syllables. My question is, should I change denominations to match that? I know they should be left alone in translations, but what about in the "Denomination:" sections? for instance, if it says "Denomination: 10 batzen", should it be changed to "Denomination: ten batzen"?- RHM22 ( talk) 15:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I hate to cause a ruckus while the article is being considered for promotion, but it's partly because of its FLC that I noticed the article and its tables in the first place. Currently, the tables for each thaler are strictly for layout; they don't associate elements in each row with attributes in various columns. We've just got a dozen (or so) items arrayed sort of neatly in some boxes, and we happen to be using a table for that.
In my recent work with music discographies, among other things, I've been trying to get data arranged in more logical ways, in part to satisfy WP:ACCESS (now part of the MoS and so expected for FL and FA candidates). I had a tough time with these coins, although it's easy to see we have some inscriptions, some translations, some images that would seem to fit a tabular arrangement.
But rather than wax verbose, let me just point you to a prototype I worked up using the Glarus coin, so you can compare. It's at User:JohnFromPinckney/Sandbox3. It comes off taking up more space, unfortunately, and there are a few miscellaneous items lumped together in one box (labeled "Diverse", to which I am not strongly attached). However, there is a more logical arrangement in the prototype that even a non-sighted user should readily understand. I've added table code and mark-up that should let screen readers ( assistive technology) parse and read the headings and data; the current tables are sure to confuse such readers.
I see that someone has just deleted the level 4 headings which appeared in the TOC, so you can also ignore the hackish <h4 style="visibility:hidden; font-size:1px;">Glarus – 1847</h2>
I have in the prototype. Please take a look and see if it offers you anything you'd like to see incorporated in this FLC page. —
JohnFromPinckney (
talk)
04:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright, RHM22, good work (and a lot of it)! I finally made some time to come back to this. I have made some further changes to the latest version in my Sandbox, but I think I'm just going to copy it all right into the article. What I've done (not all of this has to do with tables and accessibility, you'll notice):
I notice, BTW, that the edge inscription for Solothurn is said to include "FREISCHIESEN". That word in German properly has two "S"s, but maybe it was really made with one "S". I can't check as I have no image nor access to the source.
I'm still not totally happy with the translation "free shoot", but I keep forgetting to ask for some verification/clarification. I'll try to remember to ask somebody this weekend.
I hope you like my changes. If you don't, they can be reverted in whole or in part, especially if you poke in the revision history of my Sandbox3 (or just ask me). I think that's it for now. Regards, — JohnFromPinckney ( talk) 21:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Admittedly you took the image and properly released it, but what about the coin? What's Swiss government policy on copyright of its coin designs? Or does the copyright rest with the canton or city, or the organizers of the Schutzenfest?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 17:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, I've nominated this for FL again. Hopefully the reviewers will like it! Thanks again to Wehwalt, JohnFromPinckney and other editors for helping me along on this one. There may be a few minor changes here and there, but I think it looks really good for the most part. This is the first article I created, and my personal favorite.- RHM22 ( talk) 04:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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The series of CIT coins, especially the ones that were not made for a federal festival, seem off topic to this page. There could be a shooting medal or List of Swiss shooting medals page with a much wider scope, which would include all sorts of much more notable medals struck since the 1820s.
As for the 2020 "shooting thaler", I am not even sure if this was still made by CIT. So far I have been able to establish:
The 2020 thaler is now on sale for about CHF 140 at various numismatics shops, but it isn't clear how the original distribution worked. It does not appear that it will be on sale at the festival itself, as it only 1,000 pieces were produced, clearly aimed at coin collectors and not intended as a souvenir to be bought by participants. It appears that the 1995 thaler for Thun was still produced in 5,000 pieces and was actually sold at the nominal value of CHF 50.
My current impression is that these CIT "shooting thalers" are mostly a cash grab aimed at (overseas?) coin collectors and have very little to do with the actual shooting festivals. I may be wrong.