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![]() | On 10 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Killing of Terence Crutcher. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Curious what people think of using this Vox article as a source? I get the feeling Vox is close to RS, but a bit questionable. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
"running vehicle" "ignoring police directions"
are both remarks which we cannot confirm at the moment. At least in one report they write that his car broke down in the middle of the road. And "ignoring police directions" implies that he was aware of such. I'm not sure how high that helicopter was flying. All I see is a guy with his hands in the air ... In other words I would recomment to leave any stuff out that cannot be confirmed at the moment. Let a judge decide what really happened and just then put it down here. All we have at the moment is what the police give us, right ? They are not a neutral party in the matter, right ? JB. -- 84.186.129.13 ( talk) 13:52, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
I added the info about the PCP found but I'm not sure if it should be in a separate section. There is no evidence at this time that he had PCP in his system. —Мандичка YO 😜 19:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
A few people have tried to add Crutcher's entire rap sheet to the article. It's completely WP:UNDUE and frankly has the appearance of placing blame on Crutcher for past actions. EvergreenFir (talk) 14:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
has the appearance of placing blame on Crutcher for past actions.
"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus." [1]
I suggest leading a hidden comment in the background section pointing users to this talk page thread. It may help with getting everyone on the same page/explaining policy. Airplaneman ✈ 05:06, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed this content:
Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for the 2016 U.S. presidential election, stated in a press conference that while he was a "tremendous believer in the police and law enforcement", he was "very, very troubled" by the shooting. [1] [2]
References
On similar articles we've not included political candidates remarks as (1) they are often not very useful to the readers and (2) they're usually political soundbites. While it's a bit unusual that Trump said this, I don't think it's worth mentioning his (or Clinton's) opinion of the matter unless it maybe comes up in a debate or something more notable. In other articles, we have opted to only include political comments from the POTUS, state governor, and maybe a mayor. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
This may be important to include, Betty Jo Shelby is now running classes on "surviving officer-involved shootings."
Thanks John Cummings ( talk) 08:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: CONSENSUS TO NOT MOVE. ( non-admin closure) CThomas3 ( talk) 18:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Shooting of Terence Crutcher → ? – Terence Crutcher was killed or fatally shot. We should say so. Search results also show it is the COMMONNAME. --- Coffeeand crumbs 20:10, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
killing of Terence Crutcher | shooting of Terence Crutcher | fatal shooting of Terence Crutcher |
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~ 147 Google search results | ~ 128 which includes some instances of "fatal shooting..." | ~ 116 |
--- Coffeeand crumbs 20:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 03:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Shooting of Terence Crutcher → Killing of Terence Crutcher – Per WP:Deaths. Inexpiable ( talk) 21:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | On 10 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Killing of Terence Crutcher. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Curious what people think of using this Vox article as a source? I get the feeling Vox is close to RS, but a bit questionable. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
"running vehicle" "ignoring police directions"
are both remarks which we cannot confirm at the moment. At least in one report they write that his car broke down in the middle of the road. And "ignoring police directions" implies that he was aware of such. I'm not sure how high that helicopter was flying. All I see is a guy with his hands in the air ... In other words I would recomment to leave any stuff out that cannot be confirmed at the moment. Let a judge decide what really happened and just then put it down here. All we have at the moment is what the police give us, right ? They are not a neutral party in the matter, right ? JB. -- 84.186.129.13 ( talk) 13:52, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
I added the info about the PCP found but I'm not sure if it should be in a separate section. There is no evidence at this time that he had PCP in his system. —Мандичка YO 😜 19:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
A few people have tried to add Crutcher's entire rap sheet to the article. It's completely WP:UNDUE and frankly has the appearance of placing blame on Crutcher for past actions. EvergreenFir (talk) 14:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
has the appearance of placing blame on Crutcher for past actions.
"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus." [1]
I suggest leading a hidden comment in the background section pointing users to this talk page thread. It may help with getting everyone on the same page/explaining policy. Airplaneman ✈ 05:06, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed this content:
Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for the 2016 U.S. presidential election, stated in a press conference that while he was a "tremendous believer in the police and law enforcement", he was "very, very troubled" by the shooting. [1] [2]
References
On similar articles we've not included political candidates remarks as (1) they are often not very useful to the readers and (2) they're usually political soundbites. While it's a bit unusual that Trump said this, I don't think it's worth mentioning his (or Clinton's) opinion of the matter unless it maybe comes up in a debate or something more notable. In other articles, we have opted to only include political comments from the POTUS, state governor, and maybe a mayor. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
This may be important to include, Betty Jo Shelby is now running classes on "surviving officer-involved shootings."
Thanks John Cummings ( talk) 08:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: CONSENSUS TO NOT MOVE. ( non-admin closure) CThomas3 ( talk) 18:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Shooting of Terence Crutcher → ? – Terence Crutcher was killed or fatally shot. We should say so. Search results also show it is the COMMONNAME. --- Coffeeand crumbs 20:10, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
killing of Terence Crutcher | shooting of Terence Crutcher | fatal shooting of Terence Crutcher |
---|---|---|
~ 147 Google search results | ~ 128 which includes some instances of "fatal shooting..." | ~ 116 |
--- Coffeeand crumbs 20:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 03:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Shooting of Terence Crutcher → Killing of Terence Crutcher – Per WP:Deaths. Inexpiable ( talk) 21:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)