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What's the reasoning for preferring this particular spelling of his name? Obviously, the original spelling is in Arabic... Is there a standardized way to translate it to English? If so, can we use that and reference it? Chaoticidealism ( talk) 23:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I find this article in it's current form tailored towards damage control more than presenting a neutral view of what has transpired. Unfortunately I can't edit it as it's subject to the 500/30 rule. But to other editors out there, here are some missing key elements from the article:-
I am not looking for emotive additions, just documenting neutrally the details of this incident. And I am reaching out to all editors even the ones who are pro Israel to help out. Why would you not want to document these incidents as they happened. Perhaps if we have done a better job with previous incidents like this one this tragedy as the Prime minister of Israel called it wouldn't have happened.
MYS1979 ( talk) 17:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for raising your concerns here, MYS1979. Apart from (not) mentioning East Jerusalem, it struck me that what we have doesn’t match the source, so I've split that discussion out to a separate section below. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (21:08 Thu 25, AEST) 11:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
MYS1979 ( talk) 15:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The article
currently has The checkpoint was part of the daily walk from Halaq's home in Jerusalem's Wadi al-Joz area in the Old City to the center which he had attended since 2014.
This gives the incorrect impression that his home was inside the old city and leaves the reader wondering where the school is.
But the source cited says Early on Saturday morning in the Wadi el-Joz neighbourhood of occupied East Jerusalem, he sipped tea made by his mother Rana … The family home is just a 10-minute walk from the Old City … he walked with his teacher towards the Elwyn Al-Quds school, close to the Al-Aqsa mosque compound …
For a minimal change, we could flip "in the Old City to the center" → "to the school in the Old City".
Our own (i.e. en-wp) articles say that Wadi al-Joz and Old City (Jerusalem) are in East Jerusalem, so using that term here should be uncontroversial. (For what it’s worth, I didn't know that about the Old City before today.) If editors want to fight each other over that, then go nuts. Perhaps in this case instead of BRD we could DBDRD…etc. – note that I’ve started with this D.
I am aware of discretionary sanctions for this topic; so no need to template my talk page, consider me already informed. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (20:53 Thu 25, AEST) 10:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi!, I won't use my favourite emoticon on this because it is a sad article, so my question is, can I include Wikiproject:Autism in this article's talk page? Or not?, I asked on the project's talk page but it's not seen as there are no responses to previous posts. Thank you very much I cherish you all. - CoryGlee ( talk)
If it’s in scope for the project, then I can’t see why not, CoryGlee. Though if that project is inactive, doing so might not have much effect? Pelagic ( messages · Z ) – (20:38 Sat 25, AEST) 10:38, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
This article should be called "Killing of Eyad al-Hallaq" ImTheIP ( talk) 13:14, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to add at the end of the section 'Investigation':
al-Hallaq's parents have petitioned the High Court of Justice to conclude the investigation of the case and put the two police officers involved on trial [1]. On October 21, 2020 Israeli prosecutors recommended that the police officer who shot and killed al-Hallaq be charged with manslaughter [2] [3].
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I know that this is related to the Arab-israeli conflict, but there has been no edit war, and no vandalism. The Murder of George Floyd is only semi-protected, but it's far more famous then this, so I see no reason to do Extended Confirmed protected on this page. Crocusfleur ( talk) 11:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
This probably needs to be at Killing of, since the person wasn't just shot but killed, unless this is for some reason a common name. I'll circle back to see if there are objections. valereee ( talk) 19:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Add information about the acquittal of the officer: On July 6, 2023, he was acquitted of all charges based on his argument that he fired in self-defense and reasonably believed that al-Hallaq was a terrorist attempting an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-06/ty-article/.premium/israeli-officer-who-killed-autistic-palestinian-sentenced/00000189-2aba-da0e-a59b-abfbea850000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/6/israeli-court-acquits-officer-of-killing-autistic-palestinian-man AvrahamHerschel ( talk) 15:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there a reason to not name the officer involved: Elior Yakov https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2023/07/11/breaking-israeli-police-murderer-identified/?fbclid=IwAR27Mb2NjLe9s566GmckVaIrYy1U8lN6H-fpvdE7bnRkn8_goIBYm7Qro1g
Although Israeli media has a gag order on that, there is no reason to go along with this censorship here. Mcdruid ( talk) 12:47, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2023/07/11/breaking-israeli-police-murderer-identified/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.139.164 ( talk) 16:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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What's the reasoning for preferring this particular spelling of his name? Obviously, the original spelling is in Arabic... Is there a standardized way to translate it to English? If so, can we use that and reference it? Chaoticidealism ( talk) 23:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I find this article in it's current form tailored towards damage control more than presenting a neutral view of what has transpired. Unfortunately I can't edit it as it's subject to the 500/30 rule. But to other editors out there, here are some missing key elements from the article:-
I am not looking for emotive additions, just documenting neutrally the details of this incident. And I am reaching out to all editors even the ones who are pro Israel to help out. Why would you not want to document these incidents as they happened. Perhaps if we have done a better job with previous incidents like this one this tragedy as the Prime minister of Israel called it wouldn't have happened.
MYS1979 ( talk) 17:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for raising your concerns here, MYS1979. Apart from (not) mentioning East Jerusalem, it struck me that what we have doesn’t match the source, so I've split that discussion out to a separate section below. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (21:08 Thu 25, AEST) 11:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
MYS1979 ( talk) 15:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The article
currently has The checkpoint was part of the daily walk from Halaq's home in Jerusalem's Wadi al-Joz area in the Old City to the center which he had attended since 2014.
This gives the incorrect impression that his home was inside the old city and leaves the reader wondering where the school is.
But the source cited says Early on Saturday morning in the Wadi el-Joz neighbourhood of occupied East Jerusalem, he sipped tea made by his mother Rana … The family home is just a 10-minute walk from the Old City … he walked with his teacher towards the Elwyn Al-Quds school, close to the Al-Aqsa mosque compound …
For a minimal change, we could flip "in the Old City to the center" → "to the school in the Old City".
Our own (i.e. en-wp) articles say that Wadi al-Joz and Old City (Jerusalem) are in East Jerusalem, so using that term here should be uncontroversial. (For what it’s worth, I didn't know that about the Old City before today.) If editors want to fight each other over that, then go nuts. Perhaps in this case instead of BRD we could DBDRD…etc. – note that I’ve started with this D.
I am aware of discretionary sanctions for this topic; so no need to template my talk page, consider me already informed. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (20:53 Thu 25, AEST) 10:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi!, I won't use my favourite emoticon on this because it is a sad article, so my question is, can I include Wikiproject:Autism in this article's talk page? Or not?, I asked on the project's talk page but it's not seen as there are no responses to previous posts. Thank you very much I cherish you all. - CoryGlee ( talk)
If it’s in scope for the project, then I can’t see why not, CoryGlee. Though if that project is inactive, doing so might not have much effect? Pelagic ( messages · Z ) – (20:38 Sat 25, AEST) 10:38, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
This article should be called "Killing of Eyad al-Hallaq" ImTheIP ( talk) 13:14, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to add at the end of the section 'Investigation':
al-Hallaq's parents have petitioned the High Court of Justice to conclude the investigation of the case and put the two police officers involved on trial [1]. On October 21, 2020 Israeli prosecutors recommended that the police officer who shot and killed al-Hallaq be charged with manslaughter [2] [3].
References
I know that this is related to the Arab-israeli conflict, but there has been no edit war, and no vandalism. The Murder of George Floyd is only semi-protected, but it's far more famous then this, so I see no reason to do Extended Confirmed protected on this page. Crocusfleur ( talk) 11:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
This probably needs to be at Killing of, since the person wasn't just shot but killed, unless this is for some reason a common name. I'll circle back to see if there are objections. valereee ( talk) 19:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Add information about the acquittal of the officer: On July 6, 2023, he was acquitted of all charges based on his argument that he fired in self-defense and reasonably believed that al-Hallaq was a terrorist attempting an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-06/ty-article/.premium/israeli-officer-who-killed-autistic-palestinian-sentenced/00000189-2aba-da0e-a59b-abfbea850000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/6/israeli-court-acquits-officer-of-killing-autistic-palestinian-man AvrahamHerschel ( talk) 15:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there a reason to not name the officer involved: Elior Yakov https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2023/07/11/breaking-israeli-police-murderer-identified/?fbclid=IwAR27Mb2NjLe9s566GmckVaIrYy1U8lN6H-fpvdE7bnRkn8_goIBYm7Qro1g
Although Israeli media has a gag order on that, there is no reason to go along with this censorship here. Mcdruid ( talk) 12:47, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2023/07/11/breaking-israeli-police-murderer-identified/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.139.164 ( talk) 16:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)