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The name Swina is derogatory and is not used at all to refer to the Shona peoples of Zimbabwe.
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Indeed! But the Shona witch doctor is quite sexy, isn´t he? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.128.45.50 ( talk) 20:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
more information about the shona; their history, clans and current tribal groups can be found on this site http://mashona.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/the-shona-people/ it is very useful and accurate. Rushworth ( talk) 10:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The intro says that the Shona traditionally grew "beans, peanuts, corn, pumpkins, and sweet potatoes". However all of these come from the New World and so couldn't have been "traditionally" grown for more than a few centuries. What did the Shona do before the introduction of New World crops? Were they arable herders like other Bantu speaking peoples, or were they agriculturalists, as the large settlements of Mutapa implies? And if so, what crops did they grow during that period? -- 86.148.57.140 ( talk) 22:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
These crops you mentioned are not "new world crops", infact they existed in Shona culture since time immemorial - may be the new world simply brought in new variety of species of these crops, which already had African equivalnce and/or origins. The Shona actually grew these crops as well as African species of cereals. In Shona, ancient terms exist for these crops which are not a recent construction or rendering. "Beans" are called "nyemba", with another species variation (round in shape) called "nyimo". "Peanuts" are called "nzungu" while pumpkins are called "manhanga". "Sweet potatoes" are called "mbambaira" or "mabura" and there are several species of these with different terms. "Corn" is called "chibagwe". All these are ancient terms, which existed long before Europeans arrived in Africa. In the group of cereals, there is "rukweza", "mhunga" and "mapfunde", which English equivalent I have no idea of. There is a huge variety of crops and vegetables grown by the Shona and other African peoples since time immemorial ... with a strong possibility that Europe and the rest of the world actually got these crops from Africa. Africa is the home of a huge variety of plant, insect and animal species on earth and its narrow-mindedness bordering on racist or idiotic or moronic posturing to claim that Africans either didn't grow anything or grew an extremely limited range of crops. In fact historical evidence says that we all originate from Africa and you just can't move out of your home into unkown land without carrying anything when humans are known for catering for the unknown! User: Shiku -- 89.125.37.107 ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
great zimbabwe may be largest ruins in africa south of equator but eg. numerous precolombian ruins in s america (chan,chan, ollantytambo, micchu picchu bigger, and borobudur on java is bigger still —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.28.198 ( talk) 14:29, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that the population said to exist in Zimbabwe does not add up? On the Zimbabwe page, it says the Shona make up 82% of the population, some 10 million people, and yet on this article it says their numbers are closer to 3 mil~? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.221.0.62 ( talk) 18:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi
This article is dreadful. It has lots of OR, strange ramblings about god and seems very racist - both towards the Shona and "the white settlers"
I will copyedit it in the next week. Chaosdruid ( talk) 22:30, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Of all the images that could be used to describe the Shona people, you choose to use the image of a tribal witch doctor. There are 16 million Shona people around the world a lot of them highly educated and professional yet you imply that they are still primitive and uncouth. I find this highly racist and disrespectful Tinashemasenhu ( talk) 13:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree on your comment, that somebody placed that picture is indication of lack of understanding probably or invalidation of people. We will make some pictures soon and upload it.
Jlouis ( talk) 07:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
In Zimbabwe, (mutupo) (plural mitupo) wrongly called totems by colonial missionaries and athropologists have been used by the Shona people since their culture developed. Mitupo are an elaborate was of identifying clans and sub-clans. They help to avoid incest, and they also build solidarity and identity.
That paragraph is hard to understand, is it maybe meant to say that Mitupe are elaborate ways? Instead of "was"?
-- Jlouis ( talk) 07:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Here are the following measures I intend to enact on this page:
Wdonghan ( talk) 16:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Your assertion that the Ndebele destroyed the Rozwi Empire in 1830s needs correction as it is not correct. In 1830s the Matabele were in Transvaal fighting wars with Boers. It's there in recorded history. When King Mzilikazi arrived in 1840 he had a mutual understanding with Mambo the Rozwi ruler and they united the two tribes. Traditional rites were carried out to that effect. There's a Ndebele song still sung todate on joint rule in 19th century...*kudala kwakungenje kwakubusu Mambo lo Mzilikazi* Which Mambo ??..then if it was destroyed. King Zwangendaba of Angoni & his remnants oversaw the Rozwi destruction. Can we avoid I'll founded seeds of hate please. 82.132.187.189 ( talk) 00:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Joshua Project is not a reliable source of information, I personally don’t believe we should source of information from that source. Mindthem ( talk) 19:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
In the box that describes the use of affixes in chiShona to denote the specific group that Shona is describing, under "country," Zimbabwe and Mozambique are listed. This is different than on most other Bantu language pages, such as the Chewa people or Sotho people pages. Should the use of it on this article be changed to match those? 2603:7080:A33B:5CEE:7571:22EE:C0C1:627B ( talk) 20:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2019 and 6 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Laylakeysor.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 09:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The name Swina is derogatory and is not used at all to refer to the Shona peoples of Zimbabwe.
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Indeed! But the Shona witch doctor is quite sexy, isn´t he? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.128.45.50 ( talk) 20:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
more information about the shona; their history, clans and current tribal groups can be found on this site http://mashona.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/the-shona-people/ it is very useful and accurate. Rushworth ( talk) 10:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The intro says that the Shona traditionally grew "beans, peanuts, corn, pumpkins, and sweet potatoes". However all of these come from the New World and so couldn't have been "traditionally" grown for more than a few centuries. What did the Shona do before the introduction of New World crops? Were they arable herders like other Bantu speaking peoples, or were they agriculturalists, as the large settlements of Mutapa implies? And if so, what crops did they grow during that period? -- 86.148.57.140 ( talk) 22:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
These crops you mentioned are not "new world crops", infact they existed in Shona culture since time immemorial - may be the new world simply brought in new variety of species of these crops, which already had African equivalnce and/or origins. The Shona actually grew these crops as well as African species of cereals. In Shona, ancient terms exist for these crops which are not a recent construction or rendering. "Beans" are called "nyemba", with another species variation (round in shape) called "nyimo". "Peanuts" are called "nzungu" while pumpkins are called "manhanga". "Sweet potatoes" are called "mbambaira" or "mabura" and there are several species of these with different terms. "Corn" is called "chibagwe". All these are ancient terms, which existed long before Europeans arrived in Africa. In the group of cereals, there is "rukweza", "mhunga" and "mapfunde", which English equivalent I have no idea of. There is a huge variety of crops and vegetables grown by the Shona and other African peoples since time immemorial ... with a strong possibility that Europe and the rest of the world actually got these crops from Africa. Africa is the home of a huge variety of plant, insect and animal species on earth and its narrow-mindedness bordering on racist or idiotic or moronic posturing to claim that Africans either didn't grow anything or grew an extremely limited range of crops. In fact historical evidence says that we all originate from Africa and you just can't move out of your home into unkown land without carrying anything when humans are known for catering for the unknown! User: Shiku -- 89.125.37.107 ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
great zimbabwe may be largest ruins in africa south of equator but eg. numerous precolombian ruins in s america (chan,chan, ollantytambo, micchu picchu bigger, and borobudur on java is bigger still —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.28.198 ( talk) 14:29, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that the population said to exist in Zimbabwe does not add up? On the Zimbabwe page, it says the Shona make up 82% of the population, some 10 million people, and yet on this article it says their numbers are closer to 3 mil~? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.221.0.62 ( talk) 18:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi
This article is dreadful. It has lots of OR, strange ramblings about god and seems very racist - both towards the Shona and "the white settlers"
I will copyedit it in the next week. Chaosdruid ( talk) 22:30, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Of all the images that could be used to describe the Shona people, you choose to use the image of a tribal witch doctor. There are 16 million Shona people around the world a lot of them highly educated and professional yet you imply that they are still primitive and uncouth. I find this highly racist and disrespectful Tinashemasenhu ( talk) 13:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree on your comment, that somebody placed that picture is indication of lack of understanding probably or invalidation of people. We will make some pictures soon and upload it.
Jlouis ( talk) 07:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
In Zimbabwe, (mutupo) (plural mitupo) wrongly called totems by colonial missionaries and athropologists have been used by the Shona people since their culture developed. Mitupo are an elaborate was of identifying clans and sub-clans. They help to avoid incest, and they also build solidarity and identity.
That paragraph is hard to understand, is it maybe meant to say that Mitupe are elaborate ways? Instead of "was"?
-- Jlouis ( talk) 07:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Here are the following measures I intend to enact on this page:
Wdonghan ( talk) 16:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Your assertion that the Ndebele destroyed the Rozwi Empire in 1830s needs correction as it is not correct. In 1830s the Matabele were in Transvaal fighting wars with Boers. It's there in recorded history. When King Mzilikazi arrived in 1840 he had a mutual understanding with Mambo the Rozwi ruler and they united the two tribes. Traditional rites were carried out to that effect. There's a Ndebele song still sung todate on joint rule in 19th century...*kudala kwakungenje kwakubusu Mambo lo Mzilikazi* Which Mambo ??..then if it was destroyed. King Zwangendaba of Angoni & his remnants oversaw the Rozwi destruction. Can we avoid I'll founded seeds of hate please. 82.132.187.189 ( talk) 00:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Joshua Project is not a reliable source of information, I personally don’t believe we should source of information from that source. Mindthem ( talk) 19:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
In the box that describes the use of affixes in chiShona to denote the specific group that Shona is describing, under "country," Zimbabwe and Mozambique are listed. This is different than on most other Bantu language pages, such as the Chewa people or Sotho people pages. Should the use of it on this article be changed to match those? 2603:7080:A33B:5CEE:7571:22EE:C0C1:627B ( talk) 20:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)