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Per
WP:NATURAL, natural disambiguation is preferable to parenthetical one if the more precise alternative name is commonly used and neither obscure nor made-up. Also, parenthetical disambiguation requires memorization of a related term and holding a shift key before typing a letter to create a special character. Id est, hold "Shift" and type "9" to create a "(". Have you noticed my using shift key to create special characters, like a question mark (?) here? --
George Ho (
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09:09, 2 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes of course as for the shift key. It certainly seems he is referred to more by Shipwreck or John "Shipwreck" than his full name (I figure for the reasons listed above), however I grant the full name is probably the easiest solution for ambiguity purposes and is listed enough to work.
Cake (
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04:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC)reply
That's true. John Simms Kelly seems fine. It would be nice to have a disambiguation page or redirect for Shipwreck due to the prevalence at which college football players were referred to by nickname.
Cake (
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18:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - We definitely need to move from the current title... looking at
n grams, neither Alvin nor John would qualify as a primary topic for the title
Shipwreck Kelly (in fact, I would say Alvin comes closer to being one than John). While using the full name would resolve the need for disambiguation... COMMONNAME overwhelmingly favors including the nickname. To best achieve Recognizability and Naturalness, I think we need to include the nickname "Shipwreck" in the title. So... I think this is a valid exception to the "avoid quotation marks in titles" provision.
Blueboar (
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13:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - per Blueboar and the original nomination, I think this is a valid case for using the nickname in quotes, and serves our readers better than either "John Simms Kelly" or "Shipwreck Kelly (American football)" . Invoking
WP:IAR, I support the move. —
Amakuru (
talk)
10:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)reply
No, I'm saying
John Simms Kelly is a bad choice because of MIDDLES; unless he were commonly known by his full name, "Adding middle names or their abbreviations merely for disambiguation purposes... is not advised." --
BDD (
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20:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)reply
It's kind of hard to read that - it could be talking about another John Kelly, as it's a hugely common name. Additionally, there is already
John Kelly (American football). Specifically he was referred to only as Shipwreck Kelly, not John "Shipwreck" Kelly etc.
Wikimandia (
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16:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC)reply
So he's referred to multiple times in the book as Shipwreck Kelly and one time as John Kelly? Obviously the editors didn't know it was the same guy. Besides, nobody is suggesting his name be changed to John Kelly, so what is your point?
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16:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)reply
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Shipwreck Kelly (American football) → John "Shipwreck" Kelly – I proposed the name when
Alvin "Shipwreck" Kelly was newly created, but parenthetical disambiguation was chosen instead because certain editors weren't in favor of the name with quotation marks. Guideline
WP:NICKNAME normally discourages quotation marks in the name. However, policy
WP:GUIDES says that common sense may be used to make exceptions, and
WP:POLICIES says that we must normally follow whatever is classified "policy" rather than "guideline". (Let's not invoke WP:IAR, shall we?)
WP:TITLEFORMAT allows quote marks if they are part of a name or title.
Natural disambiguation is normally encouraged as long as the name is neither made-up nor obscure. The proposed name is preferred to parenthetical disambiguation and
recognizable. Sources are provided in this discussion, so see further.
George Ho (
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08:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose – we just had this same conversation quite recently. As I said then, the nominator's suggestion is contrary to the
WP:NICKNAME advice to "avoid ... adding a nickname ... in quotes between first and last name." I don't see anything wrong with the current title, and it's annoying to have to repeat this discussion. —
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16:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Per
WP:NATURAL, natural disambiguation is preferable to parenthetical one if the more precise alternative name is commonly used and neither obscure nor made-up. Also, parenthetical disambiguation requires memorization of a related term and holding a shift key before typing a letter to create a special character. Id est, hold "Shift" and type "9" to create a "(". Have you noticed my using shift key to create special characters, like a question mark (?) here? --
George Ho (
talk)
09:09, 2 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes of course as for the shift key. It certainly seems he is referred to more by Shipwreck or John "Shipwreck" than his full name (I figure for the reasons listed above), however I grant the full name is probably the easiest solution for ambiguity purposes and is listed enough to work.
Cake (
talk)
04:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC)reply
That's true. John Simms Kelly seems fine. It would be nice to have a disambiguation page or redirect for Shipwreck due to the prevalence at which college football players were referred to by nickname.
Cake (
talk)
18:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - We definitely need to move from the current title... looking at
n grams, neither Alvin nor John would qualify as a primary topic for the title
Shipwreck Kelly (in fact, I would say Alvin comes closer to being one than John). While using the full name would resolve the need for disambiguation... COMMONNAME overwhelmingly favors including the nickname. To best achieve Recognizability and Naturalness, I think we need to include the nickname "Shipwreck" in the title. So... I think this is a valid exception to the "avoid quotation marks in titles" provision.
Blueboar (
talk)
13:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - per Blueboar and the original nomination, I think this is a valid case for using the nickname in quotes, and serves our readers better than either "John Simms Kelly" or "Shipwreck Kelly (American football)" . Invoking
WP:IAR, I support the move. —
Amakuru (
talk)
10:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)reply
No, I'm saying
John Simms Kelly is a bad choice because of MIDDLES; unless he were commonly known by his full name, "Adding middle names or their abbreviations merely for disambiguation purposes... is not advised." --
BDD (
talk)
20:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)reply
It's kind of hard to read that - it could be talking about another John Kelly, as it's a hugely common name. Additionally, there is already
John Kelly (American football). Specifically he was referred to only as Shipwreck Kelly, not John "Shipwreck" Kelly etc.
Wikimandia (
talk)
16:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC)reply
So he's referred to multiple times in the book as Shipwreck Kelly and one time as John Kelly? Obviously the editors didn't know it was the same guy. Besides, nobody is suggesting his name be changed to John Kelly, so what is your point?
Wikimandia (
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16:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)reply
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Shipwreck Kelly (American football) → John "Shipwreck" Kelly – I proposed the name when
Alvin "Shipwreck" Kelly was newly created, but parenthetical disambiguation was chosen instead because certain editors weren't in favor of the name with quotation marks. Guideline
WP:NICKNAME normally discourages quotation marks in the name. However, policy
WP:GUIDES says that common sense may be used to make exceptions, and
WP:POLICIES says that we must normally follow whatever is classified "policy" rather than "guideline". (Let's not invoke WP:IAR, shall we?)
WP:TITLEFORMAT allows quote marks if they are part of a name or title.
Natural disambiguation is normally encouraged as long as the name is neither made-up nor obscure. The proposed name is preferred to parenthetical disambiguation and
recognizable. Sources are provided in this discussion, so see further.
George Ho (
talk)
08:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose – we just had this same conversation quite recently. As I said then, the nominator's suggestion is contrary to the
WP:NICKNAME advice to "avoid ... adding a nickname ... in quotes between first and last name." I don't see anything wrong with the current title, and it's annoying to have to repeat this discussion. —
BarrelProof (
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16:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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