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Does anyone ever call them "weather areas"?
There was a sea area between Hebrides and Bailey, I think, called Minches. Not sure when it was discontinued (1960s probably) Any other former areas which could or should be listed? Alsager boy 11:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be great to have some references to this. I'd like to edit the page. Alsager boy ( talk) 20:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I have created a fresh article under this name - have linked to it from the Shipping Forecast article. Just wondered what would be the legal position of me uploading my recording? At present I've linked to an online file, but I have a recording of the whole thing...
I don't believe this! Will remove unless anybody objects. -- Auximines 19:59, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed the case - I will try to track down a reference. It was discussed on an episode of Feedback sometime toward the end of last year.
JonoP 11:26, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Found it [1]. I was slightly wrong - the rule is that it has a maximum length of 350 words (Rule J seems to be the applicable rule, rather than D). JonoP 11:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am adding info on the strct formatting and maximum length back in. JonoP 11:49, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The link Utsire actually goes to Utsira with an 'a'. Is this a different Utsire/Utsira, or are there two spellings, or has the BBC just got it wrong all these years? For the record, the BBC's spelling is definitely with an 'e' (as in the article): http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/shipping/
How the Norwegians spell it is a matter for the Norwegian wiki. If it's on the English wiki then it should be spelled the English way. You can imagine the hassle of correcting all the entries for Londres on the French wiki to London, can't you? Jatrius ( talk) 17:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if there were a better map for reference. The map provided is OK, but (1) It is too low a resolution (2) It doesn't show lat/lon lines (3) It is missing a few areas and (4) It doesn't indicate locations of the coastal weather stations. Something somewhat better is at [2], though it has older names and is of course not public domain. Is there anyone who has better, or who is willing to make one? Mlouns 06:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
the introduction of Fisher in 1955, when Dogger was split in two.
That would have meant that Dogger was a very strange shape, according to the map.
-- 88.160.64.2 17:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The last broadcast of the Shipping Forecast at 0048 each day ...
The 0048 broadcast is, of course, the first Shipping Forecast of the day. -- Picapica 21:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
FitzRoy was named Finisterre until February 2002, when it was renamed after Robert FitzRoy to avoid confusion with Spanish area of the same name.
Not sure this is correct; the Fitzroy area touches Cape Finisterre in Spain. I believe the change was to avoid confusion with the French area of Finistère, which is in Brittany and is not contiguous with Fitzroy. JXM 16:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm confused about why the article has been tagged as not representing a "worldwide view". Granted, there is some room for general improvement, but it's not clear to me what is specifically lacking that would support a worldwide viewpoint. The piece is about a long-standing radio broadcast in the UK, which has become something of a folk tradition. Does it perhaps need to be situated more in the context of other meterological reports around the world? JXM 00:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I have amended the function of 'Sailing By', as the previous entry was not entirely correct Fortnum ( talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
In northern Germany, I heard BBC Radio 4 Shipping Forecast on MW 1449 kHz on 7 Dec 2009 at 00:48 UTC and 17:54 UTC. Should also MW frequencies be given, as in Marveterraporto? -- Onklo ( talk) 20:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Why does this article on the BBC Shipping Forecast go into total irrelevances, and yet does not list or a map of "Coastal Stations"; which are as much a part of the Shipping Forecast, as the sea areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.194.5.243 ( talk) 01:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Notwithstanding this article only referring to the concept of a Shipping Forecast in the UK (which I find hard to believe is the only country to have shipping forecasts, indeed there is an indication within the article that RTE broadcasts one), but what about shipping forecasts on stations other than the BBC? Did ILR ever carry them? And what about on television? There's evidence of television shipping forecasts here being shown on ITV, as this very bizarre example shows! (about 1:55 in)... -- Fursday 14:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Esperanto article ( here) is both on the Shipping Forecast and maritime weather services in general. -- Onklo ( talk) 16:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Jon Burton, 6, 7 MOVING WESTERLY IN HEAVY ROTATION. Why has this NOT been linked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.132.166 ( talk) 02:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
More details explanation of examples such as "Low, Rockall, 987, deepening rapidly, expected Fair Isle 964 by 0700 tomorrow" possible? 81.96.166.19 ( talk) 19:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
On the General Synopsis that would mean that there is a low pressure (987 millibars) at rockall, becoming rapidly lower (the hint is that it will be 964 millibars lower at Fair Isle tomorrow morning); a storm but not a particularly severe one. It is implied that a north-westerly wind will take it there.
Si Trew ( talk) 06:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
This morning on the 5.20 forecast on Radio 4 it was plain issued "by the Met Office", and not "on behalf of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency". I am wondering whether perhaps that quango has now been abolished; it may have been a simple omission of course. This may have not been the first time it was omitted from the bulletin; just the first time I noticed it.
Si Trew ( talk) 06:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Information doesn't hurt. But there's a place for it. In my view going into organisational structure of the Met Office and MCA in the introductory paragraph is overkill. Those interested in whether the former is a "commercial trading fund owned by the Ministry of Defence" can find that out just by clicking on it. For everyone else, it's trivia and doesn't belong here. Another editor disagrees with me - that's 50:50 then - so let's have some input! Egg Centric 22:31, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't see that I have to convince you, but as I am kind and know that you're acting in good faith, I will provide a few introductory paragraphs from other random articles and how they would appear if written how you seem to want this one to be:
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is a controversial citation needed diagnosis described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn and angry.
would become
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is a controversial citation needed diagnosis described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM - a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association which provides a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn and angry.
Nuisance (also spelled nocence, through Fr. noisance, nuisance, from Lat. nocere, "to hurt") is a common law tort. It means that which causes offence, annoyance, trouble or injury. A nuisance can be either public (also "common") or private. A public nuisance was defined by English scholar Sir J. F. Stephen as, <snip>
would become
Nuisance (also spelled nocence, through Fr. noisance, nuisance, from Lat. nocere, "to hurt") is a common law ( law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action) tort (a wrong that involves a breach of a civil duty (other than a contractual duty) owed to someone else.). It means that which causes offence, annoyance, trouble or injury. A nuisance can be either public (also "common") or private. A public nuisance was defined by English scholar Sir J. F. Stephen as, <snip>
"Jobsworth" is a British colloquial [1] [2] word deriving from the phrase "I can't do that, it's more than my job's worth", meaning that taking the initiative by performing an action, and perhaps in the process breaking a rule, is beyond what the person feels their job description allows. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "A person in authority (esp. a minor official) who insists on adhering to rules and regulations or bureaucratic procedures even at the expense of common sense." [1] Jonathon Green similarly defines "jobsworth" as "a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations". [3]
would become
"Jobsworth" is a British colloquial [1] [4] word deriving from the phrase "I can't do that, it's more than my job's worth", meaning that taking the initiative by performing an action, and perhaps in the process breaking a rule, is beyond what the person feels their job description allows. The Oxford English Dictionary (said to be the premier dictionary of the English language by its own publisher. [5]) defines it as "A person in authority (esp. a minor official) who insists on adhering to rules and regulations or bureaucratic procedures even at the expense of common sense." [1] Jonathon Green similarly defines "jobsworth" as "a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations". [6]
In all the examples above we see how silly, and frankly, anti-wiki, it is to include this sort of information and swell the opening paragraph when it is all available to the interested reader with one click. I believe the version of shipping forecast that doesn't include the technicalities about the Met Office's corporate structure is more concise and per above more in line with accepted practice (no matter how many capital letters or threats you throw around) and that is why I am going to put it back.
Egg
Centric
14:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, hello, hello! Interesting that there was chat about Americans possibly being interested. I frequently hear the SF when I fall asleep listening to the BBC over here in the New World.
Truthfully, I prefer the shorter version of the introduction, as it is clear, concise, and has sufficient links to lead curious readers to the appropriate detail about the organizations involved in creating and disseminating the Shipping Forecast. Not that I didn't learn a great deal about UK govt strucuture after wondering about those funds... That term is much better than quasigovernmental, which is what we call the US Post Office. Anyway, again, I think it best to leave out the parenthetical information, or place it further along in the article.— Hiobazard ( talk) 17:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
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I came here tonight to see if there was an answer to the question above, given that (as reported here in The Guardian) Radio 4's long wave transmissions are now living on borrowed time. That article doesn't say what will happen to the shipping forecast -- whether it will go entirely online/digital, be broadcast in MW, what? If this is known, I think it could be worth including, though obviously not if there's nothing more than speculation about it. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
From what I can tell the HMCG no longer exists as a governemnt agency, it's been folded into the MCA (Marine Costal Agency), perhaps we should update the article to use the current name? -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 09:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The regions in the list link to places from which they obtain their names, but most of these are of no real use as links. See Cromarty for example. I propose removing the majority of these links. Anyone interested? The Roman Candle ( talk) 11:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Are all the world's oceans divided into sea areas like these, or just these around Britain? 71.226.144.42 ( talk) 01:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
"Later modifications include the introduction of Fisher in 1955, when Dogger was split in two."
If Dogger once included Fisher, then that would have been a very oddly shaped area. Not impossible, but I reckon something isn't right here.
Bazonka (
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06:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The Guardian's Saturday prize puzzle of August 31 2013 features the shipping report areas as a theme. Should this perhaps be added to the voluminous pop culture section? Perhaps after the prize deadline? (Ooops, I see what I did there)
It's here: [3]
All the best (and I never would have worked out "Utsire" without this article), Huw Powell ( talk) 01:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The article has a section on "Gale warnings", stating "In addition, gale warnings are broadcast at other times between programmes and after news". I'm sure I haven't heard these on Radio 4 for about fifteen years. Do they still happen? GDBarry ( talk) 09:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I've read on several fan sites that the reader used to sign off with the words " "Good night gentlemen, and good sailing". As most of the mentions of this seem to be disgruntled ("it was better in the old days" etc.) this fact, arguably, has some cultural significance. Does anyone know when the BBC stopped using this closing line? ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 20:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
This was the personal and very characteristic sign-off of the late Frank Phillips, a long-standing newsreader and continuity announcer for the BBC. When he retired, many tributes were paid by mariners of all kinds, who had loved his respectful night-time greetings. No subsequent announcer has tried to emulate him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.225.26 ( talk) 01:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
There is no reference given for the statement: "The forecast, excluding the header line, has a limit of 370 words..." The ref to the Met Office website which follows this is a dead link, but nowhere on the Met Office site can I find any reference to the length of the broadcast. On a recent BBC TV programme about weather forecasting another (lower) figure was used. It seems to me that with 31 sea areas themselves taking up 37 words, that leaves a maximum of less than 11 words per area average. OK, sometimes areas are combined, but 11 is just ridiculous, and the announcement of gale warnings before the area forecasts reduces this as well. In addition, when the weather is expected to be very changeable, the forecast for each area or group of areas is going to be lengthened considerably with extra phrases beginning "later", "occasionally", "perhaps", "or" etc. (For example, as I write, the forecast for wind in Fisher is "Variable 3, becoming easterly or northeasterly 4 or 5, occasionally 6 later." That's 12 words without any mention of sea state, weather or visiblity!) And to make things even worse, sometimes sea areas are split where the weather is expected to vary significantly across them (e.g. "southwest Shannon" and "northeast Shannon"). So where does this supposed 370 word limit come from? Emeraude ( talk) 18:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC).
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Does anyone ever call them "weather areas"?
There was a sea area between Hebrides and Bailey, I think, called Minches. Not sure when it was discontinued (1960s probably) Any other former areas which could or should be listed? Alsager boy 11:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be great to have some references to this. I'd like to edit the page. Alsager boy ( talk) 20:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I have created a fresh article under this name - have linked to it from the Shipping Forecast article. Just wondered what would be the legal position of me uploading my recording? At present I've linked to an online file, but I have a recording of the whole thing...
I don't believe this! Will remove unless anybody objects. -- Auximines 19:59, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed the case - I will try to track down a reference. It was discussed on an episode of Feedback sometime toward the end of last year.
JonoP 11:26, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Found it [1]. I was slightly wrong - the rule is that it has a maximum length of 350 words (Rule J seems to be the applicable rule, rather than D). JonoP 11:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am adding info on the strct formatting and maximum length back in. JonoP 11:49, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The link Utsire actually goes to Utsira with an 'a'. Is this a different Utsire/Utsira, or are there two spellings, or has the BBC just got it wrong all these years? For the record, the BBC's spelling is definitely with an 'e' (as in the article): http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/shipping/
How the Norwegians spell it is a matter for the Norwegian wiki. If it's on the English wiki then it should be spelled the English way. You can imagine the hassle of correcting all the entries for Londres on the French wiki to London, can't you? Jatrius ( talk) 17:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if there were a better map for reference. The map provided is OK, but (1) It is too low a resolution (2) It doesn't show lat/lon lines (3) It is missing a few areas and (4) It doesn't indicate locations of the coastal weather stations. Something somewhat better is at [2], though it has older names and is of course not public domain. Is there anyone who has better, or who is willing to make one? Mlouns 06:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
the introduction of Fisher in 1955, when Dogger was split in two.
That would have meant that Dogger was a very strange shape, according to the map.
-- 88.160.64.2 17:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The last broadcast of the Shipping Forecast at 0048 each day ...
The 0048 broadcast is, of course, the first Shipping Forecast of the day. -- Picapica 21:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
FitzRoy was named Finisterre until February 2002, when it was renamed after Robert FitzRoy to avoid confusion with Spanish area of the same name.
Not sure this is correct; the Fitzroy area touches Cape Finisterre in Spain. I believe the change was to avoid confusion with the French area of Finistère, which is in Brittany and is not contiguous with Fitzroy. JXM 16:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm confused about why the article has been tagged as not representing a "worldwide view". Granted, there is some room for general improvement, but it's not clear to me what is specifically lacking that would support a worldwide viewpoint. The piece is about a long-standing radio broadcast in the UK, which has become something of a folk tradition. Does it perhaps need to be situated more in the context of other meterological reports around the world? JXM 00:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I have amended the function of 'Sailing By', as the previous entry was not entirely correct Fortnum ( talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
In northern Germany, I heard BBC Radio 4 Shipping Forecast on MW 1449 kHz on 7 Dec 2009 at 00:48 UTC and 17:54 UTC. Should also MW frequencies be given, as in Marveterraporto? -- Onklo ( talk) 20:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Why does this article on the BBC Shipping Forecast go into total irrelevances, and yet does not list or a map of "Coastal Stations"; which are as much a part of the Shipping Forecast, as the sea areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.194.5.243 ( talk) 01:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Notwithstanding this article only referring to the concept of a Shipping Forecast in the UK (which I find hard to believe is the only country to have shipping forecasts, indeed there is an indication within the article that RTE broadcasts one), but what about shipping forecasts on stations other than the BBC? Did ILR ever carry them? And what about on television? There's evidence of television shipping forecasts here being shown on ITV, as this very bizarre example shows! (about 1:55 in)... -- Fursday 14:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Esperanto article ( here) is both on the Shipping Forecast and maritime weather services in general. -- Onklo ( talk) 16:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Jon Burton, 6, 7 MOVING WESTERLY IN HEAVY ROTATION. Why has this NOT been linked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.132.166 ( talk) 02:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
More details explanation of examples such as "Low, Rockall, 987, deepening rapidly, expected Fair Isle 964 by 0700 tomorrow" possible? 81.96.166.19 ( talk) 19:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
On the General Synopsis that would mean that there is a low pressure (987 millibars) at rockall, becoming rapidly lower (the hint is that it will be 964 millibars lower at Fair Isle tomorrow morning); a storm but not a particularly severe one. It is implied that a north-westerly wind will take it there.
Si Trew ( talk) 06:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
This morning on the 5.20 forecast on Radio 4 it was plain issued "by the Met Office", and not "on behalf of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency". I am wondering whether perhaps that quango has now been abolished; it may have been a simple omission of course. This may have not been the first time it was omitted from the bulletin; just the first time I noticed it.
Si Trew ( talk) 06:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Information doesn't hurt. But there's a place for it. In my view going into organisational structure of the Met Office and MCA in the introductory paragraph is overkill. Those interested in whether the former is a "commercial trading fund owned by the Ministry of Defence" can find that out just by clicking on it. For everyone else, it's trivia and doesn't belong here. Another editor disagrees with me - that's 50:50 then - so let's have some input! Egg Centric 22:31, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't see that I have to convince you, but as I am kind and know that you're acting in good faith, I will provide a few introductory paragraphs from other random articles and how they would appear if written how you seem to want this one to be:
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is a controversial citation needed diagnosis described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn and angry.
would become
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is a controversial citation needed diagnosis described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM - a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association which provides a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn and angry.
Nuisance (also spelled nocence, through Fr. noisance, nuisance, from Lat. nocere, "to hurt") is a common law tort. It means that which causes offence, annoyance, trouble or injury. A nuisance can be either public (also "common") or private. A public nuisance was defined by English scholar Sir J. F. Stephen as, <snip>
would become
Nuisance (also spelled nocence, through Fr. noisance, nuisance, from Lat. nocere, "to hurt") is a common law ( law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action) tort (a wrong that involves a breach of a civil duty (other than a contractual duty) owed to someone else.). It means that which causes offence, annoyance, trouble or injury. A nuisance can be either public (also "common") or private. A public nuisance was defined by English scholar Sir J. F. Stephen as, <snip>
"Jobsworth" is a British colloquial [1] [2] word deriving from the phrase "I can't do that, it's more than my job's worth", meaning that taking the initiative by performing an action, and perhaps in the process breaking a rule, is beyond what the person feels their job description allows. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "A person in authority (esp. a minor official) who insists on adhering to rules and regulations or bureaucratic procedures even at the expense of common sense." [1] Jonathon Green similarly defines "jobsworth" as "a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations". [3]
would become
"Jobsworth" is a British colloquial [1] [4] word deriving from the phrase "I can't do that, it's more than my job's worth", meaning that taking the initiative by performing an action, and perhaps in the process breaking a rule, is beyond what the person feels their job description allows. The Oxford English Dictionary (said to be the premier dictionary of the English language by its own publisher. [5]) defines it as "A person in authority (esp. a minor official) who insists on adhering to rules and regulations or bureaucratic procedures even at the expense of common sense." [1] Jonathon Green similarly defines "jobsworth" as "a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations". [6]
In all the examples above we see how silly, and frankly, anti-wiki, it is to include this sort of information and swell the opening paragraph when it is all available to the interested reader with one click. I believe the version of shipping forecast that doesn't include the technicalities about the Met Office's corporate structure is more concise and per above more in line with accepted practice (no matter how many capital letters or threats you throw around) and that is why I am going to put it back.
Egg
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14:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, hello, hello! Interesting that there was chat about Americans possibly being interested. I frequently hear the SF when I fall asleep listening to the BBC over here in the New World.
Truthfully, I prefer the shorter version of the introduction, as it is clear, concise, and has sufficient links to lead curious readers to the appropriate detail about the organizations involved in creating and disseminating the Shipping Forecast. Not that I didn't learn a great deal about UK govt strucuture after wondering about those funds... That term is much better than quasigovernmental, which is what we call the US Post Office. Anyway, again, I think it best to leave out the parenthetical information, or place it further along in the article.— Hiobazard ( talk) 17:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
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I came here tonight to see if there was an answer to the question above, given that (as reported here in The Guardian) Radio 4's long wave transmissions are now living on borrowed time. That article doesn't say what will happen to the shipping forecast -- whether it will go entirely online/digital, be broadcast in MW, what? If this is known, I think it could be worth including, though obviously not if there's nothing more than speculation about it. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
From what I can tell the HMCG no longer exists as a governemnt agency, it's been folded into the MCA (Marine Costal Agency), perhaps we should update the article to use the current name? -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 09:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The regions in the list link to places from which they obtain their names, but most of these are of no real use as links. See Cromarty for example. I propose removing the majority of these links. Anyone interested? The Roman Candle ( talk) 11:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Are all the world's oceans divided into sea areas like these, or just these around Britain? 71.226.144.42 ( talk) 01:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
"Later modifications include the introduction of Fisher in 1955, when Dogger was split in two."
If Dogger once included Fisher, then that would have been a very oddly shaped area. Not impossible, but I reckon something isn't right here.
Bazonka (
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06:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The Guardian's Saturday prize puzzle of August 31 2013 features the shipping report areas as a theme. Should this perhaps be added to the voluminous pop culture section? Perhaps after the prize deadline? (Ooops, I see what I did there)
It's here: [3]
All the best (and I never would have worked out "Utsire" without this article), Huw Powell ( talk) 01:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The article has a section on "Gale warnings", stating "In addition, gale warnings are broadcast at other times between programmes and after news". I'm sure I haven't heard these on Radio 4 for about fifteen years. Do they still happen? GDBarry ( talk) 09:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I've read on several fan sites that the reader used to sign off with the words " "Good night gentlemen, and good sailing". As most of the mentions of this seem to be disgruntled ("it was better in the old days" etc.) this fact, arguably, has some cultural significance. Does anyone know when the BBC stopped using this closing line? ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 20:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
This was the personal and very characteristic sign-off of the late Frank Phillips, a long-standing newsreader and continuity announcer for the BBC. When he retired, many tributes were paid by mariners of all kinds, who had loved his respectful night-time greetings. No subsequent announcer has tried to emulate him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.225.26 ( talk) 01:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
There is no reference given for the statement: "The forecast, excluding the header line, has a limit of 370 words..." The ref to the Met Office website which follows this is a dead link, but nowhere on the Met Office site can I find any reference to the length of the broadcast. On a recent BBC TV programme about weather forecasting another (lower) figure was used. It seems to me that with 31 sea areas themselves taking up 37 words, that leaves a maximum of less than 11 words per area average. OK, sometimes areas are combined, but 11 is just ridiculous, and the announcement of gale warnings before the area forecasts reduces this as well. In addition, when the weather is expected to be very changeable, the forecast for each area or group of areas is going to be lengthened considerably with extra phrases beginning "later", "occasionally", "perhaps", "or" etc. (For example, as I write, the forecast for wind in Fisher is "Variable 3, becoming easterly or northeasterly 4 or 5, occasionally 6 later." That's 12 words without any mention of sea state, weather or visiblity!) And to make things even worse, sometimes sea areas are split where the weather is expected to vary significantly across them (e.g. "southwest Shannon" and "northeast Shannon"). So where does this supposed 370 word limit come from? Emeraude ( talk) 18:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC).
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