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Hello,
As this article is included as a "core topic", I would suggest using the French article Bateau which is a featured article and covers the subject fairly extensively. While "bateau" usually corresponds to "boat" in English, in French the meaning is more broad and the first part ("Terminology") explains why both ships and boats are covered in the same article.
Regards, 212.139.18.28 14:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
(Cross-posted at WT:SHIPS)This article is in pretty bad shape, but gets about 50,000 hits a month. I'm wondering if we could brainstorm a little and come to some consensus on what the structure of the article should be.
Right now, the whole article is about 20,000 characters. About 6,500 of that is in 2 lists. About 10,000 characters is on propulsion, which seems kind of lopsided to me. The current structure is:
The French wikipedia has a FA-quality article Bateau. There's a little twist in that French language doesn't distinguish as clearly between a boat and a ship as English does. Anyway, the article is about 80,000 characters and their structure is, more or less:
* 1 Terminology * 2 History o 2.1 Prehistory and Antiquity o 2.2 Through the Renaissance o 2.3 Specialization and modernization o 2.4 Today * 3 Architecture o 3.1 The hull o 3.2 Propulsion systems o 3.3 Steering systems o 3.4 Holds, compartments, and the superstructure o 3.5 Equipment * 4 Functioning o 4.1 Hydrostatics o 4.2 Hydrodynamics o 4.3 Structure * 5 Life of a ship o 5.1 Design o 5.2 Construction o 5.3 Repair and conversion o 5.4 Scrapping * 6 Uses and classiication o 6.1 Merchant ships o 6.2 Military vessels o 6.3 Fishing vessles o 6.4 Pleasure boats o 6.5 Sporting boats o 6.6 River boats o 6.7 Other * 7 Some notable boats o 7.1 Wrecks and rescues o 7.2 Technical characteristics o 7.3 Human exploits and exploration o 7.4 Imaginary or historical boats * 8 Around boats o 8.1 Life at sea o 8.2 Symbolism o 8.3 Marine archaeology o 8.4 Arts & culture o 8.5 Poetry of boats * 9 Sources o 9.1 Références o 9.2 Notes * 10 See also
So, (a) is anybody else particularly interested in this article, and (b) any thoughts on what the structure should be before we dust off the wreckin' ball?
To perhaps help move things forward, there's a cybertranslation of the whole article at User:Haus/5. Cheers. Haus Talk 00:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
according to the article on the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald any vehicle on a lake is a boat regardless of size. 67.233.246.67 ( talk) 05:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
An anon has twice changed the image that illustrates the section "Prehistory and antiquity" from
to instead be
To me, the original image is far more illustrative, given the section into which it's being added. This same anon also attempted last week to add the new image to the top of the article - but as it didn't add anything not already better illustrated in other images, I had removed it. However, rather than immediately re-revert the most recent change by the anon - I wanted to first ask other opinions on the change via this talk page. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 18:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry,but it is the article about ships,and dear image it must be accepted with ships.Why delete him?,simply I do not need it was him to replace... 194.187.230.112 ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest a merge of boat and ship article. Also, I suggest including a second picture near the first paragraph illustrating a more modern ship (motorship) next to the sailing ship already shown (as "ship" refers to both these types)
Thanks, 81.245.190.191 ( talk) 11:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
this ios not a modern ship the is a fake modern ship from tho old ages —Preceding
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98.17.81.178 (
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14:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The section on loadlines is wrong and misleading. The extra lines refer to drafts the ship can load to for various times of year and voyage zones. Fresh water allowance is only one of the differing conditions. I shall try to find time to correct these statements if no one else does first. Rumiton 09:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)()
Sea Launch's ocean-going satellite launch ships -- Sea Launch Commander and Ocean Odyssey -- what types of ships are they? Currently at least one of the pages classes them I think erroneously as passenger ships and research ships. Ocean Odyssey actually launches geosynchronous satellites and is entirely unmanned during launches. - Ageekgal 07:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that sea launch's ships would be classed as commercial, however its possible that in the future similar ships will be used for military or research purposes. Samuel Bailey 03:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Confuciou ( talk • contribs)
Are there any plans to construct a solar powered ship that runs completely on solar power? Or have they already created such a craft? Zachorious 13:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the Marine Engineering article, as it was not about Marine Engineering, but mostly about Marine Engineer Officers on board ships.
It strikes me that from looking at this article, particularly the section on propulsion (and beyond) that a substantial part of this article is about Marine Engineering.
Whilst I accept that Marine Engineering is broader than simply the guts of ships; and that discussion of the guts of ships is relevant to an article about ships; the general level of detail in this article arguably exceeds the terms of reference of the title.
It would arguably not be desirable to duplicate content both here and in an article about Marine Engineering; so someone may want to consider summarising the Marine Engineering content here, and focussing more on producing an overview of the history and development of ships, so as not to duplicate content in the Naval Architecture articles either.
U dig? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.6.39 ( talk) 00:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps ship can be made a disambugation page; it may refer to
not sure whether applicable here, but wind turbine's for ships exist too (to generate electricity and to propel ship), see www.bluenergy-ag.net/images/prod_turbine.jpg, http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007045220 (rotor sail+PV), https://secure.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49631 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.215.15 ( talk) 12:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It might also be worthwhile to note the use of animals as a means of propulsion for boats and ships, in the pre-mechanisation era. The employment of horses and mules to tow vessels on rivers and canals was widespread, but there were also instances of river ferries powered by animals which were carried onboard the vessel. They used adaptations of the horse-mill mechanisms to drive paddle wheels. I remember a detailed article on the subject, many years ago, in National Geographic Magazine, but I can't recall the article title or date, for reference. There is also a short article on the subject in 'The chronicle of the Horse" May 21, 1999. (pages 90 -92). While the majority of those river ferries would probably have been considered as boats (or perhaps rafts), I do recollect references to larger vessels - horse, or mule, powered passnger ferries on the rivers Delaware and Hudson - in the early years of the nineteenth century. They had the capacity for around two hundred passengers and could therefore be reasonably classed as ships. Norloch ( talk) 12:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
2 million barrels (320,000 m3) and 2 million barrels (84,000,000 US gal), carefull now. Peter Horn User talk 01:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
2 million barrels (318.0×10 3 m3) and 2 million barrels (84,000,000 US gal) Peter Horn User talk 13:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC) It started with 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 62,000,000 gallons then I changed it to 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 62,000,000 US gallons (51,625,799 imp gal; 234,695,531 L), the cubic metres and litres did not match. So I changed 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 84,000,000 US gallons (69,944,632 imp gal; 317,974,590 L) now there is a match, and still better yet 2 million barrels (318,000 m3) of crude oil, or 84,000,000 US gallons (69,940,000 imp gal; 318,000,000 L) Peter Horn User talk 15:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
It is mentionned in paragraph 2.1 (Prehistory and Antiquity) that the "Egyptians made the first circumnavigation of Africa around 600 BC."
This is not completely accurate. It is actually a Phoenician expedition which was sent by the pharaoh Necho II.
The details are references can also be found on the link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia
Can this be corrected?
Thank you
194.98.239.11 ( talk) 11:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Appearantly, allot of software has been developed recently to determine how much a specific ship, sailing in a particular place (hence taking into account water resistance) emits. Such software includes:
Perhaps it can be mentioned here ? 91.182.29.215 ( talk) 08:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Several of the captions under the images of sailing vessels do not give the type of ship pictured. Why are they there, then? Thanks, Wordreader ( talk) 18:57, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
This article starts: "Since the end of the age of sail, a ship has been any large buoyant watercraft." What were ships before then, doorknobs? Suspect during the age of sail, ships would also satisfy that definition as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 ( talk) 17:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
A Ship is a vessel designed and built to cross oceans and seas regardless of its method of propulsion, size or usage. — Preceding
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Not sure what was intended here, but surely this is totally untrue. Compare the Mayflower with a clipper such as the Red Jacket. Both were merchant ships of their era, but had a wealth of technological differences. Even over a shorter time period, say from the Mary Rose to HMS Victory there are significant differences. I suppose the intent is to say that the rate of technological change in ship design was faster in the second half of the 19th Century. Given that we see more efficient steam ships from about 1860 - also iron hulled ships become more common - and many more refinements of deck gear, etc - I think that would be a reasonable statement. Late in the 19th Century, the use of steel in ship's boilers gave a further leap in engine efficiency - and this rapid change went on in the 20th Century until we had oil-fired boilers and steam turbines - then container ships, etc. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 20:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm not sure what this animation contributed to the Renaissance section, other than its creator put a lot of effort into making it. I've removed it from that section, pending advice on why it is value added. User:HopsonRoad 15:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
This section should not refer to ships and boats. It should only refer to ships, which are the subject of this article. I will pare this down. In the meantime, I have removed this image, which is not germane to a ship. Likewise, I'm not aware of any planing ships, so that bullet will go, too, unless I hear objections here. User:HopsonRoad 17:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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The comparison of navies by number of ships in the lead is...let's say sub-optimal. The US listing includes major combatant ships, large auxiliaries; the North Korean includes stuff all the way down to landing craft and very small patrol vessels, many of which blue-water navies would classify as boats. It also ignores the fact that Coast Guard and other assets are very rapidly able to be taken over by the USN - the USCG alone has about 1,500 vessels which the KPN would consider "surface vessels". Guns or tons might make a realistic comparison, but calling an LCM by the same name as a cruiser is nonsense. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. The article is about ships; discussion of which navy has the most "surface vessels" is not relevant. Even if it were relevant, it does not belong in the lead. Yanacochito ( talk) 11:17, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, the massive gap on the 'See also' section before the text underneath the tab should be removed as it makes the section look untidy in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 13:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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A ship is, generally, larger than a boat. Is this a controversial claim? Cruise ships, cargo ships, and military combat ships are all large (and ships), while kayaks, canoes, and yachts are considered boats and are significantly smaller. Power~enwiki ( talk) 04:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hello,
As this article is included as a "core topic", I would suggest using the French article Bateau which is a featured article and covers the subject fairly extensively. While "bateau" usually corresponds to "boat" in English, in French the meaning is more broad and the first part ("Terminology") explains why both ships and boats are covered in the same article.
Regards, 212.139.18.28 14:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
(Cross-posted at WT:SHIPS)This article is in pretty bad shape, but gets about 50,000 hits a month. I'm wondering if we could brainstorm a little and come to some consensus on what the structure of the article should be.
Right now, the whole article is about 20,000 characters. About 6,500 of that is in 2 lists. About 10,000 characters is on propulsion, which seems kind of lopsided to me. The current structure is:
The French wikipedia has a FA-quality article Bateau. There's a little twist in that French language doesn't distinguish as clearly between a boat and a ship as English does. Anyway, the article is about 80,000 characters and their structure is, more or less:
* 1 Terminology * 2 History o 2.1 Prehistory and Antiquity o 2.2 Through the Renaissance o 2.3 Specialization and modernization o 2.4 Today * 3 Architecture o 3.1 The hull o 3.2 Propulsion systems o 3.3 Steering systems o 3.4 Holds, compartments, and the superstructure o 3.5 Equipment * 4 Functioning o 4.1 Hydrostatics o 4.2 Hydrodynamics o 4.3 Structure * 5 Life of a ship o 5.1 Design o 5.2 Construction o 5.3 Repair and conversion o 5.4 Scrapping * 6 Uses and classiication o 6.1 Merchant ships o 6.2 Military vessels o 6.3 Fishing vessles o 6.4 Pleasure boats o 6.5 Sporting boats o 6.6 River boats o 6.7 Other * 7 Some notable boats o 7.1 Wrecks and rescues o 7.2 Technical characteristics o 7.3 Human exploits and exploration o 7.4 Imaginary or historical boats * 8 Around boats o 8.1 Life at sea o 8.2 Symbolism o 8.3 Marine archaeology o 8.4 Arts & culture o 8.5 Poetry of boats * 9 Sources o 9.1 Références o 9.2 Notes * 10 See also
So, (a) is anybody else particularly interested in this article, and (b) any thoughts on what the structure should be before we dust off the wreckin' ball?
To perhaps help move things forward, there's a cybertranslation of the whole article at User:Haus/5. Cheers. Haus Talk 00:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
according to the article on the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald any vehicle on a lake is a boat regardless of size. 67.233.246.67 ( talk) 05:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
An anon has twice changed the image that illustrates the section "Prehistory and antiquity" from
to instead be
To me, the original image is far more illustrative, given the section into which it's being added. This same anon also attempted last week to add the new image to the top of the article - but as it didn't add anything not already better illustrated in other images, I had removed it. However, rather than immediately re-revert the most recent change by the anon - I wanted to first ask other opinions on the change via this talk page. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 18:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry,but it is the article about ships,and dear image it must be accepted with ships.Why delete him?,simply I do not need it was him to replace... 194.187.230.112 ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest a merge of boat and ship article. Also, I suggest including a second picture near the first paragraph illustrating a more modern ship (motorship) next to the sailing ship already shown (as "ship" refers to both these types)
Thanks, 81.245.190.191 ( talk) 11:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
this ios not a modern ship the is a fake modern ship from tho old ages —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.17.81.178 (
talk)
14:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The section on loadlines is wrong and misleading. The extra lines refer to drafts the ship can load to for various times of year and voyage zones. Fresh water allowance is only one of the differing conditions. I shall try to find time to correct these statements if no one else does first. Rumiton 09:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)()
Sea Launch's ocean-going satellite launch ships -- Sea Launch Commander and Ocean Odyssey -- what types of ships are they? Currently at least one of the pages classes them I think erroneously as passenger ships and research ships. Ocean Odyssey actually launches geosynchronous satellites and is entirely unmanned during launches. - Ageekgal 07:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that sea launch's ships would be classed as commercial, however its possible that in the future similar ships will be used for military or research purposes. Samuel Bailey 03:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Confuciou ( talk • contribs)
Are there any plans to construct a solar powered ship that runs completely on solar power? Or have they already created such a craft? Zachorious 13:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the Marine Engineering article, as it was not about Marine Engineering, but mostly about Marine Engineer Officers on board ships.
It strikes me that from looking at this article, particularly the section on propulsion (and beyond) that a substantial part of this article is about Marine Engineering.
Whilst I accept that Marine Engineering is broader than simply the guts of ships; and that discussion of the guts of ships is relevant to an article about ships; the general level of detail in this article arguably exceeds the terms of reference of the title.
It would arguably not be desirable to duplicate content both here and in an article about Marine Engineering; so someone may want to consider summarising the Marine Engineering content here, and focussing more on producing an overview of the history and development of ships, so as not to duplicate content in the Naval Architecture articles either.
U dig? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.6.39 ( talk) 00:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps ship can be made a disambugation page; it may refer to
not sure whether applicable here, but wind turbine's for ships exist too (to generate electricity and to propel ship), see www.bluenergy-ag.net/images/prod_turbine.jpg, http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007045220 (rotor sail+PV), https://secure.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49631 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.215.15 ( talk) 12:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It might also be worthwhile to note the use of animals as a means of propulsion for boats and ships, in the pre-mechanisation era. The employment of horses and mules to tow vessels on rivers and canals was widespread, but there were also instances of river ferries powered by animals which were carried onboard the vessel. They used adaptations of the horse-mill mechanisms to drive paddle wheels. I remember a detailed article on the subject, many years ago, in National Geographic Magazine, but I can't recall the article title or date, for reference. There is also a short article on the subject in 'The chronicle of the Horse" May 21, 1999. (pages 90 -92). While the majority of those river ferries would probably have been considered as boats (or perhaps rafts), I do recollect references to larger vessels - horse, or mule, powered passnger ferries on the rivers Delaware and Hudson - in the early years of the nineteenth century. They had the capacity for around two hundred passengers and could therefore be reasonably classed as ships. Norloch ( talk) 12:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
2 million barrels (320,000 m3) and 2 million barrels (84,000,000 US gal), carefull now. Peter Horn User talk 01:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
2 million barrels (318.0×10 3 m3) and 2 million barrels (84,000,000 US gal) Peter Horn User talk 13:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC) It started with 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 62,000,000 gallons then I changed it to 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 62,000,000 US gallons (51,625,799 imp gal; 234,695,531 L), the cubic metres and litres did not match. So I changed 2 million barrels (320,000 m3) of crude oil, or 84,000,000 US gallons (69,944,632 imp gal; 317,974,590 L) now there is a match, and still better yet 2 million barrels (318,000 m3) of crude oil, or 84,000,000 US gallons (69,940,000 imp gal; 318,000,000 L) Peter Horn User talk 15:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
It is mentionned in paragraph 2.1 (Prehistory and Antiquity) that the "Egyptians made the first circumnavigation of Africa around 600 BC."
This is not completely accurate. It is actually a Phoenician expedition which was sent by the pharaoh Necho II.
The details are references can also be found on the link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia
Can this be corrected?
Thank you
194.98.239.11 ( talk) 11:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Appearantly, allot of software has been developed recently to determine how much a specific ship, sailing in a particular place (hence taking into account water resistance) emits. Such software includes:
Perhaps it can be mentioned here ? 91.182.29.215 ( talk) 08:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Several of the captions under the images of sailing vessels do not give the type of ship pictured. Why are they there, then? Thanks, Wordreader ( talk) 18:57, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
This article starts: "Since the end of the age of sail, a ship has been any large buoyant watercraft." What were ships before then, doorknobs? Suspect during the age of sail, ships would also satisfy that definition as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 ( talk) 17:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
A Ship is a vessel designed and built to cross oceans and seas regardless of its method of propulsion, size or usage. — Preceding
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Alan gardener (
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contribs)
16:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what was intended here, but surely this is totally untrue. Compare the Mayflower with a clipper such as the Red Jacket. Both were merchant ships of their era, but had a wealth of technological differences. Even over a shorter time period, say from the Mary Rose to HMS Victory there are significant differences. I suppose the intent is to say that the rate of technological change in ship design was faster in the second half of the 19th Century. Given that we see more efficient steam ships from about 1860 - also iron hulled ships become more common - and many more refinements of deck gear, etc - I think that would be a reasonable statement. Late in the 19th Century, the use of steel in ship's boilers gave a further leap in engine efficiency - and this rapid change went on in the 20th Century until we had oil-fired boilers and steam turbines - then container ships, etc. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 20:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: here, here, and here. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 00:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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I'm not sure what this animation contributed to the Renaissance section, other than its creator put a lot of effort into making it. I've removed it from that section, pending advice on why it is value added. User:HopsonRoad 15:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
This section should not refer to ships and boats. It should only refer to ships, which are the subject of this article. I will pare this down. In the meantime, I have removed this image, which is not germane to a ship. Likewise, I'm not aware of any planing ships, so that bullet will go, too, unless I hear objections here. User:HopsonRoad 17:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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The comparison of navies by number of ships in the lead is...let's say sub-optimal. The US listing includes major combatant ships, large auxiliaries; the North Korean includes stuff all the way down to landing craft and very small patrol vessels, many of which blue-water navies would classify as boats. It also ignores the fact that Coast Guard and other assets are very rapidly able to be taken over by the USN - the USCG alone has about 1,500 vessels which the KPN would consider "surface vessels". Guns or tons might make a realistic comparison, but calling an LCM by the same name as a cruiser is nonsense. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. The article is about ships; discussion of which navy has the most "surface vessels" is not relevant. Even if it were relevant, it does not belong in the lead. Yanacochito ( talk) 11:17, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, the massive gap on the 'See also' section before the text underneath the tab should be removed as it makes the section look untidy in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 13:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Done Thanks for the tip,
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No problem! Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 16:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
A ship is, generally, larger than a boat. Is this a controversial claim? Cruise ships, cargo ships, and military combat ships are all large (and ships), while kayaks, canoes, and yachts are considered boats and are significantly smaller. Power~enwiki ( talk) 04:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)