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"Shintaro Ishihara" - 6,180 pages in English. "Ishihara Shintaro" - 1,780 pages in English.
I think this should be moved. WhisperToMe 23:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Could we have a bit more added about Ishihara's literature? No matter what his politics are now he did win the Akutagawa prize.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
-- Flowerofchivalry 21:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Fact : Ishihara is not a moralist on sex issue. His novel, Season of Sun has made a terrible scandal in the 50's, because of violence and luxury.He's not a "machist". But regarding the low fecondity of japanese population, which is may be Number One Issue, and as a tough politician, his words may be quite rude and excessive, but reflects the doubts and fears of all japanese.
- About Communist Chinese Space Program.
Fact : Well it's true, although Communists Chinese have made real progress recently, their technology is still retarded, in comparison with top countries like US, Russia, Japan and France. And Ishihara hates commies.Thus he likes to show this reality.
- About Tanaka :
Nothing exceptionnal in japanese political life. Politicians, in Japan, men and women, are specialized in "real speech". Recently deputy Shizuka Kamei accused Prime Minister Koizumi to send Assassin in order to terminate him.
- About Nankin :
Fact :The reality of Nankin Incident is investigated by researchers in Anglo-saxon, japanese and chinese universities. For the moment , the most accurate and precised researches are the anglosaxon and the japanese ones. The number presented by the communist government of the Popular Republic of China seems to be exaggerated as a way to make pressure on Japan. Exactly as the anti-japanese demonstrations in April 2005, was a way to stop Japan in his movement towards UNO Security Council.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
‘The most harmful thing that civilisation has brought about is baba (old hags). It is sinful for a woman to continue to live after she loses her reproductive capacity’
In response to China's first successful launch of a man in space: "The Chinese are ignorant, so they are overjoyed. That spacecraft was an outdated one. If Japan wanted to do it, we could do it in one year."
Regarding the bomb-planting of the private residence of Deputy Foreign Minister Hitoshi Tanaka: "A bomb was planted there. I think it was deserved."
Regarding the Rape of Nanjing, in which up to 300,000 people were murdered by the Japanese Imperial Army: "They say we made a holocaust there, but that is not true. It is a lie made up by the Chinese."
Is there something proving he's NOT far right? As far as things go, he is extremist, nationalist, fits all the description of "far right".
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18:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
The unbalanced "See also" section doesn't help readers. That only works for the purpose of insulting Ishihara. If you have anything to be noted, then edit the main text. Feigenbaum 06:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I made the mistake of putting this page on my watchlist, and I've noticed the back and forth going on. Regardless of the outcome, I think you guys would do a lot more to further your beliefs by adding more info on Ishihara's history and past actions. I am much more interested to hear what famous or notable people say about Ishihara than a couple of semi-anonymous randoms with a computer and an internet connection. Stop and think about who will read this article. They probably already read in some newspaper or website that this Ishihara guy is off the hook and want to learn some more about the guy. So they already know that he says extreme things and is controversial. Readers are smart enough to know that facts speak louder than labels, that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and that articles on controversial subjects and people are all questionable. Please don't degenerate Wikipedia into just another bulletin board. If you guys took all the time you've spent trying to convince each other and dug up some info on the man instead you would've come out far ahead. There's so much knowledge out there to learn and so little time and you guys are just wasting your time on each other. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Ken6en 05:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Might the editor who added it explain why he/she did so?
-- Миборовский
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05:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Just read this Talk page
For a true NPOV article read the French article, we should probably translate it in English.
8pb8
06:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
How exactly is Ishihara's disliking of Mickey Mouse notable? Seems to me like a perfectly valid opinion to prefer Japanese animations. Kind of like saying that he has stated he prefers Japanese food to french fries.
Oh, and the discussion page is a mess.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.103.198.76 ( talk • contribs) .
I prefer Japanese animation to Mickey Mouse myself. That preference is not, in itself, notable. However Ishihara stated the preference along with a sweeping generalisation about Japanese racial superiority, which is notable, especially in line with his other statements about race and the Japanese —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.39.135 ( talk • contribs) .
Parts of this reference section need to be reworked to conform to appropriate Wikipedia citation format. The reference section isn't the place for detailed footnotes as in reference #1, #2 and #3. It's very hard to follow, especially since it makes reference to articles in Japanese. While that's not a problem itself, it's difficult for an outside editor to follow the citations for checking. Wildhartlivie 12:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
i just want these right wing japanese dumbskulls to know, that the people of the republic of china AKa taiwan DO NOT support eveil japanse right wing suckers despit what he is trying to do, to divide the chinese people, stay the hell out of taiwan. 70.107.77.103 ( talk) 00:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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Recent edits removed mention of Ishihara's political bent and controversial statements, reverting these. Ishihara is governor of the world's largest city, his political beliefs and frequent controversial statements are more important than the sailing or motorcycling he did five decades ago. Please discuss here before again removing content. Thanks. RomaC ( talk) 09:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ishihara is a xenophobic right wing conservative. His legislation is more tuned to keep him self and others elected then to good governance of Tokyo.
118.243.252.251 (
talk)
08:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
"Recent comments against homosexuality by Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara are creating outrage among Japan's gay community. In his commentary on a gay-theme novel that won the prestigious Akutagawa Prize in January, Ishihara, one of the eight judges for the prize, said homosexuality is abnormal." more information about: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0XPQ/is_2000_April_3/ai_61635352/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.14.89.12 ( talk) 06:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Shintarō Ishihara is campaigning to pass a law in 2011 that would either ban or restrict any anime, manga, or video game that depicts violence, sex, crime, homosexuality, or anything else that could be construed as "a bad influence on youth", and anything of the above depicting minors. The law would make it illegal to own, create, and sell such products. The anime and manga company Kodokawa Shoten has taken a stand against Ishihara and is opposing this law. Personally, I feel it's unlikely the law will be passed due to its potential negative impact on Japan's economy, but this is definitely something to add to the Legislative career or the Political views sections. 173.180.89.129 ( talk) 13:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The law passed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl600rt ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Ishihara has made comments in public claiming that otaku are genetically defective. The bill is vaguely worded and has no provision prohibiting possession by the end consumer. Ishihara's written works with content such as rape, are legal as long as they are printed word or live action only. If one of his books was turned into a manga, anime, or video game it would then be banned for sale and production unless its in the adult corner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.243.252.251 ( talk) 08:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Ishihara is a member of the LDP. he has support of the party which is most likely to have full power of the national government next election. Also they way politics is over here how ever tokyo goes so goes the rest of the nation. Osaka all ready has legislation aimed at anime/manga/videogames. Ishihara and others have been trying to get such legislation passed for years. They are more concerned about the opinions of moral conservative westerners then effects of legislation on an all ready struggling industry. go to sankakucomplex.com and ignore the NSFW content and look at all the articles about ishihara and anime/manga bans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl600rt ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- It represents certainly the minority which opposes Ishihara in Japan but, in no way, the majority who supports Ishihara.(70% of voters) - Ishihara is a TOP-politician in Japan.
- Ishihara is not a Nationalist, neither a populist. POV . Accurate description? : Former Liberal-Democrat, Independant Conservative and famous politician.
- The Biography is incomplete
- The Bibliography is inconsequent
- The Filmography doesn't exist
- There is only gossips on what he might have said.
Read my different critics in this discussion.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
This person gives his name as "Shintaro" with no macron on his official website and on the Tokyo governor's website. Using a macron on the wikipedia article contravenes the rule here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 12:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Shintaro Ishihara. Favonian ( talk) 17:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Shintarō Ishihara → Shintaro Ishihara – This person gives his name as "Shintaro" with no macron on his official website and on the Tokyo governor's website. Using a macron on the wikipedia article contravenes the rule here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 04:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I've set up archiving for old discussions here. I hope this is acceptable. If not then please discuss here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 07:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I rewrote this line in the intro -- "Since November 2012, he has led the Japan Restoration Party" -- to bring SP into it. I'm not sure I have it right -- I also added some to the SP section -- but think it's important to maintain the distinction (as best I can make it out from afar). Thanks. Swliv ( talk) 04:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
User:Shii has, twice now, changed the stated religion in this person's infobox to "Reiyūkai", apparently showing a misunderstanding of how religion in Japan works. [1] [2] Just because a reliable source has linked Ishihara to a particular religious association, it does not mean his religious views differ radically from those of other Japanese, mixing Shinto and Buddhist beliefs. Claiming in an infobox, with no context, that he is only a member of a very specific Buddhist group and does not, say, regularly visit a particular SHINTO shrine seems inappropriate. Also, the book was published more than a decade ago, when (as far as I remember) Ishihara was a member of the LDP (he is now the leader of a rival party) -- who says his religious affiliation hasn't also changed in that time? I really don't see what the point of classifying Japanese politicians according to religion is, anyway -- it seems to have crept in to all articles on politicians based on its use in American politics. Sarumaru the Poet ( talk) 12:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
"Shintaro Ishihara" - 6,180 pages in English. "Ishihara Shintaro" - 1,780 pages in English.
I think this should be moved. WhisperToMe 23:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Could we have a bit more added about Ishihara's literature? No matter what his politics are now he did win the Akutagawa prize.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
-- Flowerofchivalry 21:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Fact : Ishihara is not a moralist on sex issue. His novel, Season of Sun has made a terrible scandal in the 50's, because of violence and luxury.He's not a "machist". But regarding the low fecondity of japanese population, which is may be Number One Issue, and as a tough politician, his words may be quite rude and excessive, but reflects the doubts and fears of all japanese.
- About Communist Chinese Space Program.
Fact : Well it's true, although Communists Chinese have made real progress recently, their technology is still retarded, in comparison with top countries like US, Russia, Japan and France. And Ishihara hates commies.Thus he likes to show this reality.
- About Tanaka :
Nothing exceptionnal in japanese political life. Politicians, in Japan, men and women, are specialized in "real speech". Recently deputy Shizuka Kamei accused Prime Minister Koizumi to send Assassin in order to terminate him.
- About Nankin :
Fact :The reality of Nankin Incident is investigated by researchers in Anglo-saxon, japanese and chinese universities. For the moment , the most accurate and precised researches are the anglosaxon and the japanese ones. The number presented by the communist government of the Popular Republic of China seems to be exaggerated as a way to make pressure on Japan. Exactly as the anti-japanese demonstrations in April 2005, was a way to stop Japan in his movement towards UNO Security Council.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
‘The most harmful thing that civilisation has brought about is baba (old hags). It is sinful for a woman to continue to live after she loses her reproductive capacity’
In response to China's first successful launch of a man in space: "The Chinese are ignorant, so they are overjoyed. That spacecraft was an outdated one. If Japan wanted to do it, we could do it in one year."
Regarding the bomb-planting of the private residence of Deputy Foreign Minister Hitoshi Tanaka: "A bomb was planted there. I think it was deserved."
Regarding the Rape of Nanjing, in which up to 300,000 people were murdered by the Japanese Imperial Army: "They say we made a holocaust there, but that is not true. It is a lie made up by the Chinese."
Is there something proving he's NOT far right? As far as things go, he is extremist, nationalist, fits all the description of "far right".
-- Миборовский
U|
T|
C|
E
18:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
The unbalanced "See also" section doesn't help readers. That only works for the purpose of insulting Ishihara. If you have anything to be noted, then edit the main text. Feigenbaum 06:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I made the mistake of putting this page on my watchlist, and I've noticed the back and forth going on. Regardless of the outcome, I think you guys would do a lot more to further your beliefs by adding more info on Ishihara's history and past actions. I am much more interested to hear what famous or notable people say about Ishihara than a couple of semi-anonymous randoms with a computer and an internet connection. Stop and think about who will read this article. They probably already read in some newspaper or website that this Ishihara guy is off the hook and want to learn some more about the guy. So they already know that he says extreme things and is controversial. Readers are smart enough to know that facts speak louder than labels, that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and that articles on controversial subjects and people are all questionable. Please don't degenerate Wikipedia into just another bulletin board. If you guys took all the time you've spent trying to convince each other and dug up some info on the man instead you would've come out far ahead. There's so much knowledge out there to learn and so little time and you guys are just wasting your time on each other. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Ken6en 05:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Might the editor who added it explain why he/she did so?
-- Миборовский
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T|
C|
E
05:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Just read this Talk page
For a true NPOV article read the French article, we should probably translate it in English.
8pb8
06:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
How exactly is Ishihara's disliking of Mickey Mouse notable? Seems to me like a perfectly valid opinion to prefer Japanese animations. Kind of like saying that he has stated he prefers Japanese food to french fries.
Oh, and the discussion page is a mess.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.103.198.76 ( talk • contribs) .
I prefer Japanese animation to Mickey Mouse myself. That preference is not, in itself, notable. However Ishihara stated the preference along with a sweeping generalisation about Japanese racial superiority, which is notable, especially in line with his other statements about race and the Japanese —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.39.135 ( talk • contribs) .
Parts of this reference section need to be reworked to conform to appropriate Wikipedia citation format. The reference section isn't the place for detailed footnotes as in reference #1, #2 and #3. It's very hard to follow, especially since it makes reference to articles in Japanese. While that's not a problem itself, it's difficult for an outside editor to follow the citations for checking. Wildhartlivie 12:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
i just want these right wing japanese dumbskulls to know, that the people of the republic of china AKa taiwan DO NOT support eveil japanse right wing suckers despit what he is trying to do, to divide the chinese people, stay the hell out of taiwan. 70.107.77.103 ( talk) 00:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:Shintaro-Ishihara-Season-of-the-Sun.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 23:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Recent edits removed mention of Ishihara's political bent and controversial statements, reverting these. Ishihara is governor of the world's largest city, his political beliefs and frequent controversial statements are more important than the sailing or motorcycling he did five decades ago. Please discuss here before again removing content. Thanks. RomaC ( talk) 09:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ishihara is a xenophobic right wing conservative. His legislation is more tuned to keep him self and others elected then to good governance of Tokyo.
118.243.252.251 (
talk)
08:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
"Recent comments against homosexuality by Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara are creating outrage among Japan's gay community. In his commentary on a gay-theme novel that won the prestigious Akutagawa Prize in January, Ishihara, one of the eight judges for the prize, said homosexuality is abnormal." more information about: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0XPQ/is_2000_April_3/ai_61635352/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.14.89.12 ( talk) 06:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Shintarō Ishihara is campaigning to pass a law in 2011 that would either ban or restrict any anime, manga, or video game that depicts violence, sex, crime, homosexuality, or anything else that could be construed as "a bad influence on youth", and anything of the above depicting minors. The law would make it illegal to own, create, and sell such products. The anime and manga company Kodokawa Shoten has taken a stand against Ishihara and is opposing this law. Personally, I feel it's unlikely the law will be passed due to its potential negative impact on Japan's economy, but this is definitely something to add to the Legislative career or the Political views sections. 173.180.89.129 ( talk) 13:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The law passed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl600rt ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Ishihara has made comments in public claiming that otaku are genetically defective. The bill is vaguely worded and has no provision prohibiting possession by the end consumer. Ishihara's written works with content such as rape, are legal as long as they are printed word or live action only. If one of his books was turned into a manga, anime, or video game it would then be banned for sale and production unless its in the adult corner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.243.252.251 ( talk) 08:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Ishihara is a member of the LDP. he has support of the party which is most likely to have full power of the national government next election. Also they way politics is over here how ever tokyo goes so goes the rest of the nation. Osaka all ready has legislation aimed at anime/manga/videogames. Ishihara and others have been trying to get such legislation passed for years. They are more concerned about the opinions of moral conservative westerners then effects of legislation on an all ready struggling industry. go to sankakucomplex.com and ignore the NSFW content and look at all the articles about ishihara and anime/manga bans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl600rt ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- It represents certainly the minority which opposes Ishihara in Japan but, in no way, the majority who supports Ishihara.(70% of voters) - Ishihara is a TOP-politician in Japan.
- Ishihara is not a Nationalist, neither a populist. POV . Accurate description? : Former Liberal-Democrat, Independant Conservative and famous politician.
- The Biography is incomplete
- The Bibliography is inconsequent
- The Filmography doesn't exist
- There is only gossips on what he might have said.
Read my different critics in this discussion.
Forgive my sehr schlecht english.
Oe kintaro
09:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
This person gives his name as "Shintaro" with no macron on his official website and on the Tokyo governor's website. Using a macron on the wikipedia article contravenes the rule here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 12:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Shintaro Ishihara. Favonian ( talk) 17:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Shintarō Ishihara → Shintaro Ishihara – This person gives his name as "Shintaro" with no macron on his official website and on the Tokyo governor's website. Using a macron on the wikipedia article contravenes the rule here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 04:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I've set up archiving for old discussions here. I hope this is acceptable. If not then please discuss here. JoshuSasori ( talk) 07:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I rewrote this line in the intro -- "Since November 2012, he has led the Japan Restoration Party" -- to bring SP into it. I'm not sure I have it right -- I also added some to the SP section -- but think it's important to maintain the distinction (as best I can make it out from afar). Thanks. Swliv ( talk) 04:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
User:Shii has, twice now, changed the stated religion in this person's infobox to "Reiyūkai", apparently showing a misunderstanding of how religion in Japan works. [1] [2] Just because a reliable source has linked Ishihara to a particular religious association, it does not mean his religious views differ radically from those of other Japanese, mixing Shinto and Buddhist beliefs. Claiming in an infobox, with no context, that he is only a member of a very specific Buddhist group and does not, say, regularly visit a particular SHINTO shrine seems inappropriate. Also, the book was published more than a decade ago, when (as far as I remember) Ishihara was a member of the LDP (he is now the leader of a rival party) -- who says his religious affiliation hasn't also changed in that time? I really don't see what the point of classifying Japanese politicians according to religion is, anyway -- it seems to have crept in to all articles on politicians based on its use in American politics. Sarumaru the Poet ( talk) 12:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)