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Press TV is a channel owned by the Iranian government to serve its agenda and was known since the start of the war of fabricating news reports daily and completely siding with the Houthis. relying on it for information makes this page about the war much less credible. -- 87.109.195.121 ( talk) 13:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Options: Sa'dah conflict, Sa'dah insurgency, Insurgency in Sa'dah?
While there is little question that this conflict can be accurately classified as an "insurgency" (as the sources in the article demonstrate), I do not believe that Insurgency in Sa'dah is the optimal title for this article, for the reason that it does not clearly specify the scope of the article.
"Insurgency in Sa'dah" defines the article's scope as being inclusive of any insurgency, by any group, carried out in Sa'dah at any time in history. In other words, "Insurgency in Sa'dah" suggests that the article examines the topic of insurgency in the Sa'dah Governorate in general.
"Sa'dah conflict" and "Sa'dah insurgency", on the other hand, define the article's scope as being applicable to a single, specific case of conflict or insurgency. Black Falcon ( Talk) 21:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is this page primarily titled "Shia insurgency" instead of "Houthi Rebellion"? It seems to me that the Houthi tribe is the main focus of the conflict. They only happen to be of the Shia Islam faith. Farolif ( talk) 19:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Did Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani really describe the Yemeni government's operations as a " jihad"? This would be a compliment, which is unlikely given that the Iranian government are accused of supporting the insurgents. I have checked the reference on globalpolitician.com and its there... but does Jane Novak know what she is talking about? She uses the word " labelled" like the Ayatollah is dissing the Yemeni gorvernment but it makes no sense for a muslim to use the word jihad as a term of disrespect. - Yaris678 ( talk) 21:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The header of the article presents both belligerents and labels the 'Military of Yemen', as "Sunni-led" (as pitted against the Shabab al Muomineen, which are Shia-led) I object to that: the President of Yemen is himself a Zaidi (that's for sure: New York Times and if it's true what Novak says, that "Yemeni President Saleh’s nephews, relatives and tribesmen make up the leadership of Yemen ’s military and security forces", then they must be mostly Zaydi (i.e. Shii) also. Zaydis are a minority (30-40%) in Yemen, but that does not mean that the country is 'Sunni-led'. So we put Shia-led in both sides or else we drop the religious affiliation altogether. Opinions? -- Ilyacadiz ( talk) 20:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
It's sort of absurd to have Iran and Hezbollah included among the (alleged) belligerents in this conflict. No one is suggesting there are Iranian troops on the ground in North Yemen, or Hezbollah helicopters flying missions against Saudi outposts. Basically, the allegation that Iran and Hezbollah are involved boils down to Saudi propaganda, and at best suggests some level of material backing for the insurgents.
I vote for removal from the "belligerents" box, and minimizing of any discussion of this topic in the article as well, since it's widely believed (by more disinterested outsiders) to be Saudi and Yemen govt FUD... jackbrown ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
"AlMenpar" seems to be a self-published source made by Houthis themselves, but it is cited through PressTV. I think it should be removed, as it is in violation of WP:SPS.
E.g.: "According to the statement, the US fighter jets have launched overnight attacks on the Yemeni fighters, Arabic Almenpar website reported." -- Kray0n ( talk) 00:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
There are more sources which report this [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] If Iran and Hezbollah are listed as combatants due to Yemeni claims, than US can be listed aswell. Kermanshahi ( talk) 16:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Iran and Hezbollah also deny involvement, still they are listed here due to Yemeni claims. The US, Jordan, Iran and Hezbollah are now listed by alleged, I think this will do. Kermanshahi ( talk) 22:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find any discussion about the POV tag, thus I replaced it with POV check.-- Seyyed( t- c) 11:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I've heard reports that the Yemeni government was calling on Al-Qaeda to fight the Shiite rebels, and now reports that the Yemeni government is allowing the US and UK to fight Al-Qaeda terrorists [1] [2]. Should we make the conflict between the United States, Yemen, and Al-Qaeda a separate conflict from the Sa'dah rebellion? The US and UK have yet to announce any open hostility towards the Houthis. 173.64.72.240 ( talk) 17:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I've just noticed that those links are refusing to reference, I have no idea why. I'll just provide the direct links.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/03/crack-sas-team-to-hunt-the-terrorists-115875-21937848/ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/02/eveningnews/main6048291.shtml 173.64.72.240 ( talk) 17:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm seeing a lot of POV issues with belligerents here, and I have tried to fix it over my past few edits, adding in the US commanders-in-chief since Iranian and Hzb commanders were also listed under alleged. Apparently someone thought they would remove the American ones without removing the others, which I did. Either they all stay, or they all go. Now we seem to have an issue with Al-Qaeda and Al-Shabaab support in Yemen. There are ample allegations of Al-Qaeda being used as mercenaries against the Houthis by the Yemeni government, some of which I have listed. In fact, this would ideologically make sense, as opposed to the idea of Al-Qaeda or it's related, inspired branch Al-Shabaab helping the Zaydi Houthis, who they view as heretics and executable according to their interpretation of religion. Now, I won't remove Al-Shabaab from the anti-Yemeni government list since it has alleged sources, but please don't remove Al-Qaeda (or any other country or organization including the United States) from the pro-Yemeni government list without explaining why here. Thanks in advance. Umar99 ( talk) 23:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The PRESS TV source provides that the Pakistani daily Jang said Pakistan had deployed a unit of 300 Special Forces. This should be confirmed using that Jang daily as a direct source.-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
"Weasel Zippers" only seam to copy text from other sources (without providing copyright information) and comment, It also currently seams difficult to find item (I failed) as no direct link, no proper archive, you have to load a lot of unrelated content.
I removed it for now. Please comment if I made any mistakes or you disagree, if you do a new link would be helpful and if one is not readily available some information on which organisation wrote the story and who claimed al-Qaeda involvement.-- Alcea setosa ( talk) 22:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8511705.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.149.173.2 ( talk) 13:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The Saudi victory claim doesn't corroborate with one of its sources and the claim doesn't reflect the actual reality of how the conflict was ended, which was through bilateral truces. First, the guardian article does not mention a Saudi Victory so it ought to be double-checked and removed by another editor. Second, the status of the insurgency should be changed to bilateral ceasefire(s), as the conflict has officially ended as a truce according to the terms agreed upon by the Yemeni government and the Houthi rebels ( http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/11/yemen.cease.fire/index.html) and ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/world/middleeast/12yemen.html). A Saudi "victory" was not part of any settlement and was declared only by Saudi Arabia once Houthi troops withdrew from the country. That part of the conflict was also ended by bilateral truce, so this section definitely needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgfreshbeatsnap ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Intuitively, I'm uncertain about the use of the word "outbreak" for what seem like little more than continuations of an on-going struggle. Were things really that quiet in between the "ends" of each outbreak and the beginning of the next one? If so, fine; if not, is there a more appropriate term? Or is there another criterion for periodizing the conflict?? I don't have any further information, I'm just suspicious of the idea that the conflict could "stop" and "start" so many times.
Terry J. Carter ( talk) 21:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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Since the insurgency has increasingly been taking place outside of Sa'dah province I think the name of this article shoulde be changed. Also note how none of the two sources used for the name of the article ("The Sa'dah insurgency[29][30] is a civil war in Yemen."), uses the name "Sa'dah insurgency". One of them talks merely about an insurgency in Yemen, the other about a Shi'a insurgency. I propose we change the article's name to North Yemen Insurgency, just like we have an article South Yemen insurgency. Kermanshahi ( talk) 18:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I am afraid that would be seen as POV by some here. Kermanshahi ( talk) 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
It is a Shi'a insurgency, however people more sympathetic towards the regime would argue that the Houthis are supposedly terrorists who do not represent Yemen's Shi'as and that the regime is (supposedly) not a secterian one. So it's best to choose a title as neutral as possible. Kermanshahi ( talk) 20:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree that it is a Shi'a uprising, but despite that there are sources which confirm this, we can't name the article like this out of neutrality policy. There are probably also sources which would deny this. Similary, we for instance can't call the article for the 2008-2009 war in Gaza, the "Gaza Massacre" although many Arab sources refer to it like that and it was more or less a massacre, and we can't call the article for the 1978-present "Turkey PKK conflict" as a "Kurdish Uprising," although it is. But you can go ahead and remane the article, we'll see if anyone complains. Kermanshahi ( talk) 17:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
No reaction. Looks like no one is against. Sentinel R ( talk) 18:49, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Given that Ali Abdullah Saleh is Zaidi, is the line “Although it has received little international coverage, the conflict essentially pits Yemen's Sunni-majority government against Shia fighters...” factually accurate? 76.246.49.58 ( talk) 09:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Ali Abdullah Saleh is Shi'a, however the regime is mainly Sunni dominated and in this conflict it has drawn support mainly from Sunni tribes. Kermanshahi ( talk) 14:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed al Shabaab from the belligerents list, as well as the reference to the "200 Somali fighters", both which were sourced to this. This allegation is not corroborated by any other source that I've found, let alone by a reputable and well-known one. The author of the article linking the Houthis to al Shabaab is David Bedein, who is frankly something of a pro-Israel zealot, and the benefits of linking the Houthis, who many pro-Israel folk (incorrectly) perceive to be a client of Iran, to a proscribed "foreign terrorist organization" according to many Western countries, are apparent if one believes that the Houthis are in fact an Iranian client or proxy and that Iran and its "proxies" are a threat to Israel. Though the claims in the article are in fact attributed to unnamed "sources" in Saleh's government rather than simply asserted without any quotes or attributions, that doesn't strengthen their veracity, and to be a part of this article, these links at least need to be coming from a better source. Beyond this, the idea of al Shabaab, a Salafi paramilitary organization operating in Somalia to take over that country, and one which receives training and other forms of aid from al Qa'ida, working together with a Shi'a rebel group which is fighting against both Saleh's government and al Qa'ida, is completely counterintuitive and absurd. I completely doubt this tenuous link between al Shabaab and the Houthis, and any references to it should stay off this article until such a link can be corroborated by a reputable and reliable source. BostonFenian ( talk) 16:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
>> Houthi delegate to Yemen unity talks killed >> Rebels swarm tribal strongholds in Yemen ?>?> v Sectarian unrest draws close to Yemen capital >> Yemen army clashes with Houthis turn deadly( Lihaas ( talk) 11:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)).
Houthis have taken Amran city and now control government and military institutions in the area [7], [8] and [9]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archinovista ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
New advance: [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.15.93.201 ( talk) 09:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose this page to be moved to Huthi insurgency in Yemen, first, for common people the word Shia is linked to the sect of people who make the majority of Shia; the Twelvers, the Shia of Iraq and Iran and everywhere except Yemen and minorities in some other countries. Second, the current title gives an impression that all or most of Yemen's Shia are part of the insurgency, while in face it's only Shias who are also Huthi. -- Kuwaity26 ( talk) 05:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I think this page is biased and has some issues with balance, NPOV and comprehensiveness. The bias I think starts from the title of the page. The previous title read "Shia insurgency in Yemen." This gave the misleading impression that Houthis are some sort of "a sectarian armed group fighting for usurpation of political power in Yemen via armed fight". But the even current improved title "Houthi insurgency" I think is misleading. "Insurgency" according to Longman Dictionary is define as "an attempt by a group of people to take control of their government using force and violence". This is true that Houthis were caught in many violent conflicts ever since 2004, but these conflicts were mostly only defensive reactions to the use of violence against them by either the government military forces or AQAP. I understand this needs verification (I will hopefully cites some sources to back up this claim) but by still looking at
1) their campaign methods (mentions of which can also be seen in the narrative of the event in this page), and
2) the fact that they always try to negotiate and work with other parties,
3) their demands which usually includes things like fair power-sharing, independence from foreign influence and even peace (See for example see this report),
it can very well be argued that Houthis are a popular reform movement that are pushing for political, social and economic reforms in Yemen. A new section that I'm going to add (crucial for this page balance and comprehensiveness) will also shed light on the real objectives of the movement. With these considerations I think the title of the page has to change to something more explanatory and objective such as "Houthi movement in Yemen."
Please let me know about your opinions. Thanks! Strivingsoul ( talk) 08:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I just added a new section covering the POVs about Houthi's aims. This was crucial for making the page comprehensive as to the identity and goals of the Houthi movement. I will continue to improve this page. Let me know in case there is any issue. Strivingsoul ( talk) 08:36, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Is it accurate to say the "insurgency" is ongoing, considering the Houthis have, at this point, taken control of nearly all northern Yemen, taken over/formed government, and appear to be the dominant faction in the country? - Kudzu1 ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I hear on NPR that the Houthis (also) took their name from a village. MaynardClark ( talk) 18:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
There is a section of the article entitled "Alleged foreign involvement". It has subsections discussing alleged foreign involvement by Iran and Hezbollah, the United States, Jordan, Morocco, and Pakistan. It does not have a subsection to discuss any alleged foreign involvement by Saudi Arabia. But other statements in the article seem to say there has been some foreign involvement by Saudi Arabia. Should a subsection of the "Alleged foreign involvement" section be added to mention Saudi Arabia? — BarrelProof ( talk) 23:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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Can You Please Add A List Of Weapons That Are Used In This War ? 188.136.9.17 ( talk) 20:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Press TV is a channel owned by the Iranian government to serve its agenda and was known since the start of the war of fabricating news reports daily and completely siding with the Houthis. relying on it for information makes this page about the war much less credible. -- 87.109.195.121 ( talk) 13:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Options: Sa'dah conflict, Sa'dah insurgency, Insurgency in Sa'dah?
While there is little question that this conflict can be accurately classified as an "insurgency" (as the sources in the article demonstrate), I do not believe that Insurgency in Sa'dah is the optimal title for this article, for the reason that it does not clearly specify the scope of the article.
"Insurgency in Sa'dah" defines the article's scope as being inclusive of any insurgency, by any group, carried out in Sa'dah at any time in history. In other words, "Insurgency in Sa'dah" suggests that the article examines the topic of insurgency in the Sa'dah Governorate in general.
"Sa'dah conflict" and "Sa'dah insurgency", on the other hand, define the article's scope as being applicable to a single, specific case of conflict or insurgency. Black Falcon ( Talk) 21:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is this page primarily titled "Shia insurgency" instead of "Houthi Rebellion"? It seems to me that the Houthi tribe is the main focus of the conflict. They only happen to be of the Shia Islam faith. Farolif ( talk) 19:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Did Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani really describe the Yemeni government's operations as a " jihad"? This would be a compliment, which is unlikely given that the Iranian government are accused of supporting the insurgents. I have checked the reference on globalpolitician.com and its there... but does Jane Novak know what she is talking about? She uses the word " labelled" like the Ayatollah is dissing the Yemeni gorvernment but it makes no sense for a muslim to use the word jihad as a term of disrespect. - Yaris678 ( talk) 21:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The header of the article presents both belligerents and labels the 'Military of Yemen', as "Sunni-led" (as pitted against the Shabab al Muomineen, which are Shia-led) I object to that: the President of Yemen is himself a Zaidi (that's for sure: New York Times and if it's true what Novak says, that "Yemeni President Saleh’s nephews, relatives and tribesmen make up the leadership of Yemen ’s military and security forces", then they must be mostly Zaydi (i.e. Shii) also. Zaydis are a minority (30-40%) in Yemen, but that does not mean that the country is 'Sunni-led'. So we put Shia-led in both sides or else we drop the religious affiliation altogether. Opinions? -- Ilyacadiz ( talk) 20:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
It's sort of absurd to have Iran and Hezbollah included among the (alleged) belligerents in this conflict. No one is suggesting there are Iranian troops on the ground in North Yemen, or Hezbollah helicopters flying missions against Saudi outposts. Basically, the allegation that Iran and Hezbollah are involved boils down to Saudi propaganda, and at best suggests some level of material backing for the insurgents.
I vote for removal from the "belligerents" box, and minimizing of any discussion of this topic in the article as well, since it's widely believed (by more disinterested outsiders) to be Saudi and Yemen govt FUD... jackbrown ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
"AlMenpar" seems to be a self-published source made by Houthis themselves, but it is cited through PressTV. I think it should be removed, as it is in violation of WP:SPS.
E.g.: "According to the statement, the US fighter jets have launched overnight attacks on the Yemeni fighters, Arabic Almenpar website reported." -- Kray0n ( talk) 00:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
There are more sources which report this [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] If Iran and Hezbollah are listed as combatants due to Yemeni claims, than US can be listed aswell. Kermanshahi ( talk) 16:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Iran and Hezbollah also deny involvement, still they are listed here due to Yemeni claims. The US, Jordan, Iran and Hezbollah are now listed by alleged, I think this will do. Kermanshahi ( talk) 22:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find any discussion about the POV tag, thus I replaced it with POV check.-- Seyyed( t- c) 11:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I've heard reports that the Yemeni government was calling on Al-Qaeda to fight the Shiite rebels, and now reports that the Yemeni government is allowing the US and UK to fight Al-Qaeda terrorists [1] [2]. Should we make the conflict between the United States, Yemen, and Al-Qaeda a separate conflict from the Sa'dah rebellion? The US and UK have yet to announce any open hostility towards the Houthis. 173.64.72.240 ( talk) 17:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I've just noticed that those links are refusing to reference, I have no idea why. I'll just provide the direct links.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/03/crack-sas-team-to-hunt-the-terrorists-115875-21937848/ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/02/eveningnews/main6048291.shtml 173.64.72.240 ( talk) 17:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm seeing a lot of POV issues with belligerents here, and I have tried to fix it over my past few edits, adding in the US commanders-in-chief since Iranian and Hzb commanders were also listed under alleged. Apparently someone thought they would remove the American ones without removing the others, which I did. Either they all stay, or they all go. Now we seem to have an issue with Al-Qaeda and Al-Shabaab support in Yemen. There are ample allegations of Al-Qaeda being used as mercenaries against the Houthis by the Yemeni government, some of which I have listed. In fact, this would ideologically make sense, as opposed to the idea of Al-Qaeda or it's related, inspired branch Al-Shabaab helping the Zaydi Houthis, who they view as heretics and executable according to their interpretation of religion. Now, I won't remove Al-Shabaab from the anti-Yemeni government list since it has alleged sources, but please don't remove Al-Qaeda (or any other country or organization including the United States) from the pro-Yemeni government list without explaining why here. Thanks in advance. Umar99 ( talk) 23:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The PRESS TV source provides that the Pakistani daily Jang said Pakistan had deployed a unit of 300 Special Forces. This should be confirmed using that Jang daily as a direct source.-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
"Weasel Zippers" only seam to copy text from other sources (without providing copyright information) and comment, It also currently seams difficult to find item (I failed) as no direct link, no proper archive, you have to load a lot of unrelated content.
I removed it for now. Please comment if I made any mistakes or you disagree, if you do a new link would be helpful and if one is not readily available some information on which organisation wrote the story and who claimed al-Qaeda involvement.-- Alcea setosa ( talk) 22:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8511705.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.149.173.2 ( talk) 13:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The Saudi victory claim doesn't corroborate with one of its sources and the claim doesn't reflect the actual reality of how the conflict was ended, which was through bilateral truces. First, the guardian article does not mention a Saudi Victory so it ought to be double-checked and removed by another editor. Second, the status of the insurgency should be changed to bilateral ceasefire(s), as the conflict has officially ended as a truce according to the terms agreed upon by the Yemeni government and the Houthi rebels ( http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/11/yemen.cease.fire/index.html) and ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/world/middleeast/12yemen.html). A Saudi "victory" was not part of any settlement and was declared only by Saudi Arabia once Houthi troops withdrew from the country. That part of the conflict was also ended by bilateral truce, so this section definitely needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgfreshbeatsnap ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Intuitively, I'm uncertain about the use of the word "outbreak" for what seem like little more than continuations of an on-going struggle. Were things really that quiet in between the "ends" of each outbreak and the beginning of the next one? If so, fine; if not, is there a more appropriate term? Or is there another criterion for periodizing the conflict?? I don't have any further information, I'm just suspicious of the idea that the conflict could "stop" and "start" so many times.
Terry J. Carter ( talk) 21:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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Since the insurgency has increasingly been taking place outside of Sa'dah province I think the name of this article shoulde be changed. Also note how none of the two sources used for the name of the article ("The Sa'dah insurgency[29][30] is a civil war in Yemen."), uses the name "Sa'dah insurgency". One of them talks merely about an insurgency in Yemen, the other about a Shi'a insurgency. I propose we change the article's name to North Yemen Insurgency, just like we have an article South Yemen insurgency. Kermanshahi ( talk) 18:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I am afraid that would be seen as POV by some here. Kermanshahi ( talk) 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
It is a Shi'a insurgency, however people more sympathetic towards the regime would argue that the Houthis are supposedly terrorists who do not represent Yemen's Shi'as and that the regime is (supposedly) not a secterian one. So it's best to choose a title as neutral as possible. Kermanshahi ( talk) 20:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree that it is a Shi'a uprising, but despite that there are sources which confirm this, we can't name the article like this out of neutrality policy. There are probably also sources which would deny this. Similary, we for instance can't call the article for the 2008-2009 war in Gaza, the "Gaza Massacre" although many Arab sources refer to it like that and it was more or less a massacre, and we can't call the article for the 1978-present "Turkey PKK conflict" as a "Kurdish Uprising," although it is. But you can go ahead and remane the article, we'll see if anyone complains. Kermanshahi ( talk) 17:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
No reaction. Looks like no one is against. Sentinel R ( talk) 18:49, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Given that Ali Abdullah Saleh is Zaidi, is the line “Although it has received little international coverage, the conflict essentially pits Yemen's Sunni-majority government against Shia fighters...” factually accurate? 76.246.49.58 ( talk) 09:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Ali Abdullah Saleh is Shi'a, however the regime is mainly Sunni dominated and in this conflict it has drawn support mainly from Sunni tribes. Kermanshahi ( talk) 14:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed al Shabaab from the belligerents list, as well as the reference to the "200 Somali fighters", both which were sourced to this. This allegation is not corroborated by any other source that I've found, let alone by a reputable and well-known one. The author of the article linking the Houthis to al Shabaab is David Bedein, who is frankly something of a pro-Israel zealot, and the benefits of linking the Houthis, who many pro-Israel folk (incorrectly) perceive to be a client of Iran, to a proscribed "foreign terrorist organization" according to many Western countries, are apparent if one believes that the Houthis are in fact an Iranian client or proxy and that Iran and its "proxies" are a threat to Israel. Though the claims in the article are in fact attributed to unnamed "sources" in Saleh's government rather than simply asserted without any quotes or attributions, that doesn't strengthen their veracity, and to be a part of this article, these links at least need to be coming from a better source. Beyond this, the idea of al Shabaab, a Salafi paramilitary organization operating in Somalia to take over that country, and one which receives training and other forms of aid from al Qa'ida, working together with a Shi'a rebel group which is fighting against both Saleh's government and al Qa'ida, is completely counterintuitive and absurd. I completely doubt this tenuous link between al Shabaab and the Houthis, and any references to it should stay off this article until such a link can be corroborated by a reputable and reliable source. BostonFenian ( talk) 16:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
>> Houthi delegate to Yemen unity talks killed >> Rebels swarm tribal strongholds in Yemen ?>?> v Sectarian unrest draws close to Yemen capital >> Yemen army clashes with Houthis turn deadly( Lihaas ( talk) 11:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)).
Houthis have taken Amran city and now control government and military institutions in the area [7], [8] and [9]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archinovista ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
New advance: [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.15.93.201 ( talk) 09:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose this page to be moved to Huthi insurgency in Yemen, first, for common people the word Shia is linked to the sect of people who make the majority of Shia; the Twelvers, the Shia of Iraq and Iran and everywhere except Yemen and minorities in some other countries. Second, the current title gives an impression that all or most of Yemen's Shia are part of the insurgency, while in face it's only Shias who are also Huthi. -- Kuwaity26 ( talk) 05:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I think this page is biased and has some issues with balance, NPOV and comprehensiveness. The bias I think starts from the title of the page. The previous title read "Shia insurgency in Yemen." This gave the misleading impression that Houthis are some sort of "a sectarian armed group fighting for usurpation of political power in Yemen via armed fight". But the even current improved title "Houthi insurgency" I think is misleading. "Insurgency" according to Longman Dictionary is define as "an attempt by a group of people to take control of their government using force and violence". This is true that Houthis were caught in many violent conflicts ever since 2004, but these conflicts were mostly only defensive reactions to the use of violence against them by either the government military forces or AQAP. I understand this needs verification (I will hopefully cites some sources to back up this claim) but by still looking at
1) their campaign methods (mentions of which can also be seen in the narrative of the event in this page), and
2) the fact that they always try to negotiate and work with other parties,
3) their demands which usually includes things like fair power-sharing, independence from foreign influence and even peace (See for example see this report),
it can very well be argued that Houthis are a popular reform movement that are pushing for political, social and economic reforms in Yemen. A new section that I'm going to add (crucial for this page balance and comprehensiveness) will also shed light on the real objectives of the movement. With these considerations I think the title of the page has to change to something more explanatory and objective such as "Houthi movement in Yemen."
Please let me know about your opinions. Thanks! Strivingsoul ( talk) 08:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I just added a new section covering the POVs about Houthi's aims. This was crucial for making the page comprehensive as to the identity and goals of the Houthi movement. I will continue to improve this page. Let me know in case there is any issue. Strivingsoul ( talk) 08:36, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Is it accurate to say the "insurgency" is ongoing, considering the Houthis have, at this point, taken control of nearly all northern Yemen, taken over/formed government, and appear to be the dominant faction in the country? - Kudzu1 ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I hear on NPR that the Houthis (also) took their name from a village. MaynardClark ( talk) 18:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
There is a section of the article entitled "Alleged foreign involvement". It has subsections discussing alleged foreign involvement by Iran and Hezbollah, the United States, Jordan, Morocco, and Pakistan. It does not have a subsection to discuss any alleged foreign involvement by Saudi Arabia. But other statements in the article seem to say there has been some foreign involvement by Saudi Arabia. Should a subsection of the "Alleged foreign involvement" section be added to mention Saudi Arabia? — BarrelProof ( talk) 23:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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Can You Please Add A List Of Weapons That Are Used In This War ? 188.136.9.17 ( talk) 20:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)