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This article is regarding a event that, despite the opinion of some, is a voyage of scientific exploration. Should the article not be focused as such instead of highlighting criticism and political motivations? Indeed there are political motivations behind China's space program, but weren't there the same motivations to an even greater degree in the American and Soviet programs during their infancy? I'm not saying that such criticisms and politics should be ignored; however, shouldn't more information be provided regarding the mission itself. For reference, compare this article to the articles on Mercury-Redstone 3 and Vostok 1 as well as the article for "神舟五号" in Chinese Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.93.93 ( talk) 09:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure but shouldn't it be 神舟5 instead of 神州5? (Axel)
The second character set is the correct term, just look at the mission patch. The second name is a pun - 'Divine land' is a name for China used in Mainland PRC. Roswell Crash Survivor 00:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the Chinese term should be in the article whether we use the english astronaut or the pseudo-english taikonaut. Saying that it looks ugly doesn't seem to me to be a good reason to remove the correct Chinese term. Ark30inf 03:56, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Time will tell what the preferred term for a Chinese astronaut is in English - my money's on "astronaut". There's no special reason to include a Chinese translation of "astronaut" on this page (any more than there is a reason to include a Chinese translation of the word "rocket" for example). rlandmann
"China the third country to put a person in space," <- this needs to be made clearer. People of other countries have been in space; but that sentence makes it sound like it isn't so. -- Tarquin 08:50, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this contributes much to the article:
"The Party and the people will never forget those who have set up this outstanding merit in the space industry for the motherland,the people and the nation," said Hu, who also expressed congratulations and respect to specialists and people who have contributed to China's space mission development on behalf of the CPC Central Committee, the State Council and the Central Military Commission its chairman Jiang Zemin.
Add it back if you object. It just sounded too much like the People's Daily. -- Jiang 03:28, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Where is the specific quote where he speaks "on behalf of the CPC Central Committee, the State Council and the Central Military Commission its chairman Jiang Zemin", if that's what's important? -- Jiang
Not sure why this was here, since I don't know of anyone who suggested that the launch was a hoax.
--- User:Roadrunner
The last pic makes the width in Opera too wide. Anyone could help? -- ILovEJPPitoC 17:04, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Statement in question: "Normally seen in far more rehearsed and scripted gatherings, China's leaders here are letting their genuine patriotic enthusiasm show."
Moved the caption about the Politburo Standing Committee members normally being seen in formal occasions. The PSCSC rarely is seen collectively, and when they are now, its often in informal or semi-formal occasions. (i.e. NPC meetings) -- User:Roadrunner
I think we should refrain from analyzing the emotions of the PSC members. How do you know this "patriotic enthusiasm" is not scripted too? (This may be their geniune feelings, but how do you know its not scripted?) Aren't they supposed to respond this way? Or are they not supposed to smile on TV? Haven't they smiled and clapped before? They obviously aren't jumping up and down, which would be unexpected. However, clapping and smiling would be the expected response for such an event. The statement is better left out. Let each reader come to the conclusion that these people are smiling and clapping. We don't need to tell them. -- Jiang 21:04, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I am just worrying if analysis causes problem. People from different background analyze things in different ways, and come to different conclusion. Since wikipedia is not a collection of argument, I am wondering what's the limitation of analysis? :O -- ILovEJPPitoC 06:10, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"Neither the launch nor the reentry was televised live. Some believe that it was due to government fears that a disaster could create an embarrassment, but news appeared on Chinese Central Television (CCTV) shortly after both events." - I think phrases like "some/many believe that" is important to highlight that "government fears" is not an established fact. (Kornfield)
I agree with the substitution of the more relevant 'person' for the sexist 'man' in such contexts as 'the first to put a man in space', but as discussed in Talk:Shenzhou spacecraft, crewed seems a pretty clumsy (and inaccurate) substitution for 'manned'. Is the wiki classification of 'manned' as a sexist expression a fait accompli? -- Tlotoxl 04:52, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Jiang:
First, the caption does not intend to - and due to space constraints on a photo caption, lacks the capacity to – make all the points that I sketched on the talk page. I was merely justifying the caption's relevance; I was not explaining all the things that I wanted to convey in a single sentence. A caption can bring up surging patriotism without being a dissertation on Chinese nationalism; just as a couple of sentences in the article can point out clues vis-à-vis Jiang's role these days, but doesn't have to be a dissertation on the PRC decisional flow after the 16th Party Congress. Perhaps you'd want to develop some of the things that I mentioned in the article. Maybe that can give readers some contextual background to better understand the caption. But in itself, the caption, while needing some work, properly relates Chinese nationalism and the top PSC leaders.
Second, I cannot speak with certainty, but it doesn't seem to be a secret that you question the regime's legitimacy. It's odd that Wiki is the only sourcebook these days that still qualifies China with "Mainland" or "People's Republic of," due in large measure to your attentiveness on this matter. Yes, it's the most exacting way of putting it; and I suppose that Wiki is using the terms more precisely than most professional China specialists. But usually there is a de-facto assumption on the part of the mainstream media, business, and even scholarship that the PRC refers to China and vice versa. The vast majority of sovereign states have formal ties of recognition and/or trade with the PRC as well, which comes with the caveat of de-jure recognition of the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China.
It's by no means out of place, but you do generally seem to be on guard when it comes to this issue with the usual reluctance to convey anything that could come across as legitimizing the PRC. And the expression of nationalism through support of the PRC - which deserves mentioning in this article - is an ideological principle legitimating CPC-rule. So perhaps you're a bit uncomfortable with this? I was merely suggesting that you're probably predisposed toward viewing the content of the caption with suspicion. My comments weren't intended to attack the rationale behind your statements; they just sought to invite us all bring the sources of our reservations over certain sentences out in the open. Then we can get all that behind us and quickly agree on a way to address the issue of the space program and nationalism in general, and fix the caption in particular. 172 05:11, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I do not find the footer unneccessary. All of the other 79 articles (last I checked) on space missions have it. It is a matter of standardization. And there is nothing speculative about it. The article already says it is the first Chinese mission and already links to Chinese space program. The empty box for next mission is there awaiting the next mission which the Chinese have already announnced they will make. Rmhermen 14:52, Dec 20, 2003 (UTC)
In that case, I added the link. -- Jia ng 07:15, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I think, it's unusual, that an article about the second manned PRC flight ( Shenzhou 6 has International reaction section and the article about the first one ( Shenzhou 5) hasn't. Cmapm 01:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
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In a lecture he gave to a group of journalism students last month, a top official at Xinhua, the state news agency, said that the mission was not so picture-perfect. The official, Xia Lin, described how a design flaw had exposed the astronaut to excessive G-force pressure during re-entry, splitting his lip and drenching his face in blood. Startled but undaunted by Mr. Yang's appearance, the workers quickly mopped up the blood, strapped him back in his seat and shut the door. Then, with the cameras rolling, the cabin door swung open again, revealing an unblemished moment of triumph for all the world to see.
The content of Mr. Xia's speech, transcribed and posted online by someone who attended the May 15 lecture at Tianjin Foreign Studies University, has become something of a sensation in recent days, providing the Chinese a rare insight into how their news is stage-managed for mass consumption.
Titled "Understanding Journalistic Protocols for Covering Breaking News," the speech was intended to help budding journalists understand Xinhua's dual mission: to give Chinese leaders a fast and accurate picture of current events and to deftly manipulate that picture for the public to ensure social harmony, and by extension, the Communist Party's hold on power.
Officials at Xinhua and Tianjin Foreign Studies University did not return calls seeking comment, making it impossible to confirm details of the talk, but many of the points Mr. Xia made are borne out in Xinhua's coverage of the events he discussed.
Although it does not mention the staging of the landing for the cameras, Mr. Yang's autobiography, published this year, describes the injuries he suffered during the flight, including the cut to his lip caused by a microphone. He also says that the pressure from the infrasound resonance during takeoff was excruciating.
"All of my organs seemed to break into pieces," he wrote.
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This article is regarding a event that, despite the opinion of some, is a voyage of scientific exploration. Should the article not be focused as such instead of highlighting criticism and political motivations? Indeed there are political motivations behind China's space program, but weren't there the same motivations to an even greater degree in the American and Soviet programs during their infancy? I'm not saying that such criticisms and politics should be ignored; however, shouldn't more information be provided regarding the mission itself. For reference, compare this article to the articles on Mercury-Redstone 3 and Vostok 1 as well as the article for "神舟五号" in Chinese Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.93.93 ( talk) 09:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure but shouldn't it be 神舟5 instead of 神州5? (Axel)
The second character set is the correct term, just look at the mission patch. The second name is a pun - 'Divine land' is a name for China used in Mainland PRC. Roswell Crash Survivor 00:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the Chinese term should be in the article whether we use the english astronaut or the pseudo-english taikonaut. Saying that it looks ugly doesn't seem to me to be a good reason to remove the correct Chinese term. Ark30inf 03:56, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Time will tell what the preferred term for a Chinese astronaut is in English - my money's on "astronaut". There's no special reason to include a Chinese translation of "astronaut" on this page (any more than there is a reason to include a Chinese translation of the word "rocket" for example). rlandmann
"China the third country to put a person in space," <- this needs to be made clearer. People of other countries have been in space; but that sentence makes it sound like it isn't so. -- Tarquin 08:50, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this contributes much to the article:
"The Party and the people will never forget those who have set up this outstanding merit in the space industry for the motherland,the people and the nation," said Hu, who also expressed congratulations and respect to specialists and people who have contributed to China's space mission development on behalf of the CPC Central Committee, the State Council and the Central Military Commission its chairman Jiang Zemin.
Add it back if you object. It just sounded too much like the People's Daily. -- Jiang 03:28, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Where is the specific quote where he speaks "on behalf of the CPC Central Committee, the State Council and the Central Military Commission its chairman Jiang Zemin", if that's what's important? -- Jiang
Not sure why this was here, since I don't know of anyone who suggested that the launch was a hoax.
--- User:Roadrunner
The last pic makes the width in Opera too wide. Anyone could help? -- ILovEJPPitoC 17:04, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Statement in question: "Normally seen in far more rehearsed and scripted gatherings, China's leaders here are letting their genuine patriotic enthusiasm show."
Moved the caption about the Politburo Standing Committee members normally being seen in formal occasions. The PSCSC rarely is seen collectively, and when they are now, its often in informal or semi-formal occasions. (i.e. NPC meetings) -- User:Roadrunner
I think we should refrain from analyzing the emotions of the PSC members. How do you know this "patriotic enthusiasm" is not scripted too? (This may be their geniune feelings, but how do you know its not scripted?) Aren't they supposed to respond this way? Or are they not supposed to smile on TV? Haven't they smiled and clapped before? They obviously aren't jumping up and down, which would be unexpected. However, clapping and smiling would be the expected response for such an event. The statement is better left out. Let each reader come to the conclusion that these people are smiling and clapping. We don't need to tell them. -- Jiang 21:04, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I am just worrying if analysis causes problem. People from different background analyze things in different ways, and come to different conclusion. Since wikipedia is not a collection of argument, I am wondering what's the limitation of analysis? :O -- ILovEJPPitoC 06:10, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"Neither the launch nor the reentry was televised live. Some believe that it was due to government fears that a disaster could create an embarrassment, but news appeared on Chinese Central Television (CCTV) shortly after both events." - I think phrases like "some/many believe that" is important to highlight that "government fears" is not an established fact. (Kornfield)
I agree with the substitution of the more relevant 'person' for the sexist 'man' in such contexts as 'the first to put a man in space', but as discussed in Talk:Shenzhou spacecraft, crewed seems a pretty clumsy (and inaccurate) substitution for 'manned'. Is the wiki classification of 'manned' as a sexist expression a fait accompli? -- Tlotoxl 04:52, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Jiang:
First, the caption does not intend to - and due to space constraints on a photo caption, lacks the capacity to – make all the points that I sketched on the talk page. I was merely justifying the caption's relevance; I was not explaining all the things that I wanted to convey in a single sentence. A caption can bring up surging patriotism without being a dissertation on Chinese nationalism; just as a couple of sentences in the article can point out clues vis-à-vis Jiang's role these days, but doesn't have to be a dissertation on the PRC decisional flow after the 16th Party Congress. Perhaps you'd want to develop some of the things that I mentioned in the article. Maybe that can give readers some contextual background to better understand the caption. But in itself, the caption, while needing some work, properly relates Chinese nationalism and the top PSC leaders.
Second, I cannot speak with certainty, but it doesn't seem to be a secret that you question the regime's legitimacy. It's odd that Wiki is the only sourcebook these days that still qualifies China with "Mainland" or "People's Republic of," due in large measure to your attentiveness on this matter. Yes, it's the most exacting way of putting it; and I suppose that Wiki is using the terms more precisely than most professional China specialists. But usually there is a de-facto assumption on the part of the mainstream media, business, and even scholarship that the PRC refers to China and vice versa. The vast majority of sovereign states have formal ties of recognition and/or trade with the PRC as well, which comes with the caveat of de-jure recognition of the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China.
It's by no means out of place, but you do generally seem to be on guard when it comes to this issue with the usual reluctance to convey anything that could come across as legitimizing the PRC. And the expression of nationalism through support of the PRC - which deserves mentioning in this article - is an ideological principle legitimating CPC-rule. So perhaps you're a bit uncomfortable with this? I was merely suggesting that you're probably predisposed toward viewing the content of the caption with suspicion. My comments weren't intended to attack the rationale behind your statements; they just sought to invite us all bring the sources of our reservations over certain sentences out in the open. Then we can get all that behind us and quickly agree on a way to address the issue of the space program and nationalism in general, and fix the caption in particular. 172 05:11, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I do not find the footer unneccessary. All of the other 79 articles (last I checked) on space missions have it. It is a matter of standardization. And there is nothing speculative about it. The article already says it is the first Chinese mission and already links to Chinese space program. The empty box for next mission is there awaiting the next mission which the Chinese have already announnced they will make. Rmhermen 14:52, Dec 20, 2003 (UTC)
In that case, I added the link. -- Jia ng 07:15, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I think, it's unusual, that an article about the second manned PRC flight ( Shenzhou 6 has International reaction section and the article about the first one ( Shenzhou 5) hasn't. Cmapm 01:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
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How should this be incorporated into article?
In a lecture he gave to a group of journalism students last month, a top official at Xinhua, the state news agency, said that the mission was not so picture-perfect. The official, Xia Lin, described how a design flaw had exposed the astronaut to excessive G-force pressure during re-entry, splitting his lip and drenching his face in blood. Startled but undaunted by Mr. Yang's appearance, the workers quickly mopped up the blood, strapped him back in his seat and shut the door. Then, with the cameras rolling, the cabin door swung open again, revealing an unblemished moment of triumph for all the world to see.
The content of Mr. Xia's speech, transcribed and posted online by someone who attended the May 15 lecture at Tianjin Foreign Studies University, has become something of a sensation in recent days, providing the Chinese a rare insight into how their news is stage-managed for mass consumption.
Titled "Understanding Journalistic Protocols for Covering Breaking News," the speech was intended to help budding journalists understand Xinhua's dual mission: to give Chinese leaders a fast and accurate picture of current events and to deftly manipulate that picture for the public to ensure social harmony, and by extension, the Communist Party's hold on power.
Officials at Xinhua and Tianjin Foreign Studies University did not return calls seeking comment, making it impossible to confirm details of the talk, but many of the points Mr. Xia made are borne out in Xinhua's coverage of the events he discussed.
Although it does not mention the staging of the landing for the cameras, Mr. Yang's autobiography, published this year, describes the injuries he suffered during the flight, including the cut to his lip caused by a microphone. He also says that the pressure from the infrasound resonance during takeoff was excruciating.
"All of my organs seemed to break into pieces," he wrote.
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