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The word "Bombardment" should be used for the title instead of shelling, which can refer to alot of different things. The Shelling of Yeonpyeong article was renamed for this reason.-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 03:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I think the revisionist nature of accounting whole Winter War to Stalin can lead even to opinions which mr. Yatsenyuk propagates, and these are more dangerous. I would propose to stay in this theme united and firm: not to allow differences to dissolve basic facts. 1) USSR and GB won II. world war over aggressor - puchist Hitler 2) Finland was aly of nazzi Germany with, and it was aggressive pact.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.168.184.7 ( talk) 16:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Problems with your arguments include the facts that at the time due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Soviets and Nazis were next best thing to being allied and had just used that aggressive pact to invade and occupy Poland and then even held joint victory parades... And it was that pact between the Soviet Union and the Nazi Germany which directly led to the Winter War as well as to Soviet occupation of the Baltic states. USSR did launch an unprovoked war of an aggression against Finland using the Mainila shelling as an excuse so USSR was an aggressor in the Winter War no matter how you try to twist it. And UK together with France were just about to launch their attacks against the USSR due to the Winter War so those countries were certainly not allies of any sort at the time. As to the Finnish-German relations - Germany was at the time one of the few countries that prevented supply shipments from reaching Finland, interning the supplies - act that seriously hurt Finnish war efforts - so Finland and Germany were most definitely not in any way allied during the Winter War. Germans actually suggested that they could support & supply Soviet subs operating against Finnish civilian ships and possibly even lay naval mines to the Finnish waters. So unless it wasn't clear neither of your facts were true at the time of the incident in question. - Wanderer602 ( talk) 17:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I realize that it's pretty much pointless to write something sensible here, but there exists absolutely no reason to think that there was any shelling at all, and of course no proof that there was any false flag operation. Such version is ideologically likeable, but is not based on any facts. Hellerick ( talk) 09:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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The word "Bombardment" should be used for the title instead of shelling, which can refer to alot of different things. The Shelling of Yeonpyeong article was renamed for this reason.-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 03:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I think the revisionist nature of accounting whole Winter War to Stalin can lead even to opinions which mr. Yatsenyuk propagates, and these are more dangerous. I would propose to stay in this theme united and firm: not to allow differences to dissolve basic facts. 1) USSR and GB won II. world war over aggressor - puchist Hitler 2) Finland was aly of nazzi Germany with, and it was aggressive pact.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.168.184.7 ( talk) 16:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Problems with your arguments include the facts that at the time due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Soviets and Nazis were next best thing to being allied and had just used that aggressive pact to invade and occupy Poland and then even held joint victory parades... And it was that pact between the Soviet Union and the Nazi Germany which directly led to the Winter War as well as to Soviet occupation of the Baltic states. USSR did launch an unprovoked war of an aggression against Finland using the Mainila shelling as an excuse so USSR was an aggressor in the Winter War no matter how you try to twist it. And UK together with France were just about to launch their attacks against the USSR due to the Winter War so those countries were certainly not allies of any sort at the time. As to the Finnish-German relations - Germany was at the time one of the few countries that prevented supply shipments from reaching Finland, interning the supplies - act that seriously hurt Finnish war efforts - so Finland and Germany were most definitely not in any way allied during the Winter War. Germans actually suggested that they could support & supply Soviet subs operating against Finnish civilian ships and possibly even lay naval mines to the Finnish waters. So unless it wasn't clear neither of your facts were true at the time of the incident in question. - Wanderer602 ( talk) 17:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I realize that it's pretty much pointless to write something sensible here, but there exists absolutely no reason to think that there was any shelling at all, and of course no proof that there was any false flag operation. Such version is ideologically likeable, but is not based on any facts. Hellerick ( talk) 09:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)