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I live in London in the UK, and there is a similar con using three black discs, one has a piece of what appears to be white tape across the underside (which is the one disc you have to find). However no one ever wins, no i know there is some slight of hand at times because the con man will pick up a losing (the disc which the mark or shrill has picked) before picking up the next losing disc and flipping it, which is clearly slight of hand. But i think there is more to it, does anyone know how this is referenced in Wiki?
==> hello its important to CALL IT THREE CARD MONTE also in the main story ==> and to add link/info for the Steve ALTEN book titled "the shell game" ==> which already 67 reviews @amaZion.com Cowtowne ( talk) 22:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)cowtowne
The Image on this page depicts "the cups and balls" effect NOT the Shell game, although they are similar.
The article describes somewhat how the trick is performed, but it could use some improvement. I cannot picture how the sleight-of-hand works from the text. -- Klhuillier 06:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
If anybody cares, I've heard the name "thimblerig" was coined by magicians (or illusionists, if you prefer), which use that as their term of art for the game. Trekphiler 07:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I always heard the shell game was a "swindle" before it was a "magic trick." The term Thimblerig comes from the fact that sewing thimbles were used predominatly by the confidence men. The later use of walnut shells caused an alteration in the name of the game. Jeff Soapy Smith 23:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
"Savidan" placed a "disputed" label on this article and never really explains his position, except writing "the real con is the amount of yellow journalism original research here" What does he mean? Please explain further. "Savadan is supposed to write his dispute(s) here, but failed to do so. Soapy 17:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
My mistake. The reason for the dispute tag should be obvious. The sentence that I removed is indicative of the overall tone of the rest of the article: "It is best to stay clear of this game and those running it." Wikipedia does not give gambling advice to begin with, but the tone issue is much deeper set. A few more examples:
The whole text needs surgery, not just these examples. Original research means that these alleged facts are not cited to any source, nor could many of them be. What source would you cite, for example, to prove that the game is never played fairly? This article needs to be cleaned up to only state the facts about the shell game, as they can be cited to reliable sources, and in a manner which does not take sides between those who play the game and its proprietors. savidan (talk) (e@) 06:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Nobody's saying you have to portray it as honest, but enough with the attitude. If you're familar to Wikipedia, you should understand how seriously this site takes POV language. Edit: Also, you may indeed be correct. He's not asking that you give undo weight to support for this con-game, but merely that you stop using original research, and make this article more encyclopedic by adding some citations. 67.70.93.180 15:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I also take issue with 'impossible to win', obviously it depends on location, visibility, number and average size of members of the gang, whether they want any trouble, as well as skill of the operator - but when you correctly guess that the pea is in the operators hand and restrain said hand to prevent the pea from moving somewhere else, I would call that winning. By which I mean, 'impossible to win' requires further qualification. 62.56.98.18 ( talk) 22:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
"A skilled operator can remove a pea from under any shell (or shells) and place it (or not) under any shell (or shells) undetected by a mark."
How could the operator remove a (singular) pea from under, or place a pea under, shells (plural). Could he ever be that good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.217.207.192 ( talk) 06:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Mark W. Bennett, District Judge for the Northern District of Iowa, sitting by designation in the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, cited this article approvingly in case number 09-50426, filed November 1, 2010. See footnote 1 of the dissent on page 18008; the PDF is here. John Sauter ( talk) 14:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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I live in London in the UK, and there is a similar con using three black discs, one has a piece of what appears to be white tape across the underside (which is the one disc you have to find). However no one ever wins, no i know there is some slight of hand at times because the con man will pick up a losing (the disc which the mark or shrill has picked) before picking up the next losing disc and flipping it, which is clearly slight of hand. But i think there is more to it, does anyone know how this is referenced in Wiki?
==> hello its important to CALL IT THREE CARD MONTE also in the main story ==> and to add link/info for the Steve ALTEN book titled "the shell game" ==> which already 67 reviews @amaZion.com Cowtowne ( talk) 22:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)cowtowne
The Image on this page depicts "the cups and balls" effect NOT the Shell game, although they are similar.
The article describes somewhat how the trick is performed, but it could use some improvement. I cannot picture how the sleight-of-hand works from the text. -- Klhuillier 06:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
If anybody cares, I've heard the name "thimblerig" was coined by magicians (or illusionists, if you prefer), which use that as their term of art for the game. Trekphiler 07:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I always heard the shell game was a "swindle" before it was a "magic trick." The term Thimblerig comes from the fact that sewing thimbles were used predominatly by the confidence men. The later use of walnut shells caused an alteration in the name of the game. Jeff Soapy Smith 23:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
"Savidan" placed a "disputed" label on this article and never really explains his position, except writing "the real con is the amount of yellow journalism original research here" What does he mean? Please explain further. "Savadan is supposed to write his dispute(s) here, but failed to do so. Soapy 17:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
My mistake. The reason for the dispute tag should be obvious. The sentence that I removed is indicative of the overall tone of the rest of the article: "It is best to stay clear of this game and those running it." Wikipedia does not give gambling advice to begin with, but the tone issue is much deeper set. A few more examples:
The whole text needs surgery, not just these examples. Original research means that these alleged facts are not cited to any source, nor could many of them be. What source would you cite, for example, to prove that the game is never played fairly? This article needs to be cleaned up to only state the facts about the shell game, as they can be cited to reliable sources, and in a manner which does not take sides between those who play the game and its proprietors. savidan (talk) (e@) 06:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Nobody's saying you have to portray it as honest, but enough with the attitude. If you're familar to Wikipedia, you should understand how seriously this site takes POV language. Edit: Also, you may indeed be correct. He's not asking that you give undo weight to support for this con-game, but merely that you stop using original research, and make this article more encyclopedic by adding some citations. 67.70.93.180 15:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I also take issue with 'impossible to win', obviously it depends on location, visibility, number and average size of members of the gang, whether they want any trouble, as well as skill of the operator - but when you correctly guess that the pea is in the operators hand and restrain said hand to prevent the pea from moving somewhere else, I would call that winning. By which I mean, 'impossible to win' requires further qualification. 62.56.98.18 ( talk) 22:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
"A skilled operator can remove a pea from under any shell (or shells) and place it (or not) under any shell (or shells) undetected by a mark."
How could the operator remove a (singular) pea from under, or place a pea under, shells (plural). Could he ever be that good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.217.207.192 ( talk) 06:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Mark W. Bennett, District Judge for the Northern District of Iowa, sitting by designation in the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, cited this article approvingly in case number 09-50426, filed November 1, 2010. See footnote 1 of the dissent on page 18008; the PDF is here. John Sauter ( talk) 14:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)