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Shekinah and Shekina are the more popular English spellings for the female presence of Glory of God. Strange that you would pick the spelling Shekhinah to headline the article.
I suggest that you change the title of the article to Shekinah. Then give the explanation that Shekina is more the Kabbalah (or Latin Cabala) and Hebrew spelling for the Glory of God.
All the spellings of Shekinah should be capitalized like the terms for Shakti or Holy Spirit.
I tried to fix up this article a bit by adding the section on the Shekinah as an angel, and by fleshing out the references to Biblical passages. I removed the stub tag, as I feel this article is no longer a stub, but I left the clean-up tag since I think it still needs some work. Sadly, I'm not educated enough on the subject to do it ^^; -- Togemon 19:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Creating a point of clarification in the edited information. Overall, most of this seems quite accurate. however, there IS a reference in the text to "Jehovah", and this word is NOT consistent with the Hebrew language, nor is it a word that would EVER be used in the Hebraic context. This word is the Christianized english transliteration that has it's roots in the Hebrew letters most commonly associated with the word "Yahweh". The Hebrew language has no vowls, so the word for "God" - yahweh, or YHWH in english - is as close as one can get to the original. In fact, the word "G-O-D" would never be spoken aloud, nor would the term "Yahweh". But "Jehovah" was translated from "Yahweh" at various stages, but is ONLY refered to by some in the Christian tradition. Since the word "Shekinah" - and it's various spellings - is from the Hebrew language and tradition, and refers to meanings within the Hebrew language and traditions, it seems inconsistent and perhaps even inappropriate to use the word "Jehovah" in any connection with "Shekinah".
Simply my opinion, based on 2 Master's degree's in the theological and biblical studies. :-)
== I added "to" in the Shekinah as Angel section - the omission was a typo.
YHWH = Yehowah 73.57.35.183 ( talk) 13:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I added more etymological information including use of the root "SHCHN" in biblical and Mishnaic hebrew. I question the claim that this not a hebrew word, but did not erase the quotation. I will try to find a later dictionary to replace the dictionary quote. Also added more Talmudic quotes connecting the term to joy, music, creativity, and prophecy, as well as imagery used by the Prophets. The article really needs a good work-over from someone versed in kabbalistic sources and able to do them real justice, Shekhinah means far more in Kabbalah than just the "sabbath bride" currently in the article.
Also, I left the references to other religions in but put them all in one place. Not sure they are helpful, since they appear to represent very superficial comparisons that could be misleading. -- Shirahadasha 19:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of links to sources presenting the Shekhinah as an example of a goddess. Acknowledging the POV exists enough not to be WP:OR, it is at best a very minority position and one not adopted by any mainstream version of Judaism. Would like to prune these links if no objections. -- Shirahadasha 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
On reflection, the viewpoint that the Shekhinah is a goddess appears to be coming from New-Age oriented websites like www.wheeloftheyear.org and www.pantheon.org whose scholarly expertise on Biblical and Jewish subjects seems questionable, which appear to have a goddess/pantheon-oriented POV, and which might be considered NPOV|partisan websites. Claims need to be clearly attributed -- this POV should not be represented as coming from either the Jewish religious or the academic community without a reliable source, and political claims should not be presented as fact. -- Shirahadasha 15:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Technically speaking the Shekinah is the Female Aspect of God and so not a Goddess in her own right. To properly understand what she is we have to change our idea of God as Masculine to something which contains both the Masculine and Feminine principles within it. Genesis says quite clearly that God makes Man in his image - 'Both Male and Female he created them'. The Kaballists see God as Androgynous and identify Female and Male aspects of His power (I use the word He cos Its or Their seems daft). They see the Shekinah as the Feminine Aspect which is sent among us to help us in this world, rather like Athena does in the Odyssey for Odysseus. If it helps, see the Shekinah as an Avatar of God. Whatever the case She is not separate from Him. ThePeg 09:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
In "The Da Vinci Code", Shekinah is also portrayed as a goddess to which Yahweh was married, I think. There should be a clarification, a correction to this, on the page. -- Mithcoriel 18:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Please cite sources taking the view that references to "glory" etc. are the same thing as, or have anything to do with, the hebrew word Shechinah. The typical Hebrew word used for glory -- kavod -- is a masculine noun, not a feminine one. Absent sources, a claim the two concepts are the same is original research and must be deleted as such.
Here's the disputed language pending resolution:
-- Shirahadasha 09:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Here are some specific quotes from the articles.
After introducing the Old Testament examples in a section entitled "The Biblical References To God’s Glory", the writer moves on to mention in the section "The Present Revelation of God’s Glory";
and also adds;
In reference to the shepherds the first reference says this:
The inclusion in the article is not determined by a particular pre-conceived view of how the Shekhinah "should" be defined, but is based upon suitable source material indicating that such views are held with regard to the significance and form of manifestation of the Shekhinah. J.christianson 10:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
References
When we look at the types presented in Creation, we find an example in the sun and the moon. The greater gives light and the lesser one reflects the light. In Joseph's dream, we find that the sun is portrayed as masculine (as in Jacob) whilst the moon is thus deemed feminine.
If we apply this analogy to Israel (declared feminine, as his "bride"), we can see that through being given the covenant and submitting to Him, that they were to reflect the glory of God before the nations.
We find that the first-born Israelites were redeemed through the Levites, and God promised that his new covenant, through the Spirit, would be upon all people (Joel).
Paul talks about being grafted into the spiritual life of thew Jews, and in many regards, like Ruth, those people are brought into that relationship to become a part of his people by following the Lord, but at this time it is not by being the first-born, or being from the tribe of Levi, but by the power of His Spirit. The term "bride" continues to be applied to those who are called his people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.christianson ( talk • contribs)
Hello, this is an encyclopedia, this Talk page is for discussion of the article's content. Please, respect your peers and Wikipedia, and don't use these pages for musings or proslytizing. -- Shirahadasha 04:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The musing is over the stated "feminine" aspect mentioned in both the article, and these talk pages - in fact you yourself have sought responses as to a Christian perspective as to considerations over masculine and feminine usage. Clearly there are many examples of "femininity" being applied in Scripture to designate the order within a relationship rather than to specify gender. J.christianson 04:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The word Shechina is a feminine word grammatically--it is the most natural way to say dwelling, as a noun. You wish to give deeper meaning to that, please. But it is a grammatically feminine word...just like Worship, service, or work (avoda, wisdom (Chochmah), insight (binah). Let's not get too carried away with this feminine thing. Every single noun in Hebrew has a fifty fifty chance of being feminine or masculine. are you gonna make a big deal about all those other words. Yes I know that Kabbalists make a bigger deal of the shekhina as a feminine...but you must recognize that they are expounding homiletically on the significance of a Hebrew grammatical fact. One must keep in mind that Kabbalists believe Hebrew is a language that is not Humanly invented but hasa deeper significance and reflects the very nature of the world. The most NPOV thing to say--and something that everyone agrees to is to say that it is grammatically a feminine word. Shekhina is not a merely mystical concept but first and foremost a Theological one. I am adding grammatically Shigaon ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Referemce to Shekhinah as an Angel is primarily to Gustav Davidson, an American poet who may not have been attempting to produce a scholarly work -- not clear that this is a reliable source that this was a mainstream opinion. Also want to make sure that the views presented as the Zohar's are the Zohar's and not Davidson's interpretation.-- Shirahadasha 03:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Removed the following language to here for now:
This paragr
Quoting from image caption:
" The Shekinah enters the Tabernacle. In traditional Judaism, unlike in some Christian culture, Divinity is not personified in visual imagery of a person."
With all due respect, I actually revere Jewish tradition.
1. Divinity is traditionally personified, Ganesha is the funniest. 2. The Jews represent an ultimately awesome linguistic embodiment of philosophical non-being with "mystical" Kabbalah. 3. Christian religious symbolism is a means for the intelligence to liberate, and ONLY because Jesus was a Jew. 4. The horror of "New Age" trends and conspiring occultists appropriating Jewish practices is the root human problem. 5. The Greeks realized sphere-nature of the Earth at the same time, so think about that when in doubt!
thank You, Tom the Greek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.0.220.171 ( talk) 13:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Many of the sections marked as "not in citation given," especially with scriptural references, are actually there in the Hebrew scriptures at those points, I'm not sure why they are marked that way. 24.207.130.41 ( talk) 18:10, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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Above Avarot, the highest heaven, there is alleged to be a rainbow of this description, but no rainbow is found in this article. Anyone familiar with this? Twillisjr ( talk) 18:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
For example: "Patai draws a historic distinction between the Shekhinah and the Matronit." is the only instance of the word "Matronit" without explaining what or who this Matronit is, even as Matronit link to this very article. SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 12:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The term "Shekhinah" or "Shekinta" is actually pre-rabbinic (as Rabbinic is commonly understood). It was used first in the Targums (Onkelos & Neofiti). So it's definately inaccurate to describe it's use as purely Rabbinic and not biblical. Onkelos was contemporary with Jesus & the Apostles. I'm even half sure there's an NT reference to reading the Targum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.141.195.67 ( talk) 10:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
This is considered by Wikipedia's mods to be vandalism of the Religious articles. Please improve the section per what issues is discussed in the section's lead or leave this section for Christian editors to edit and fix up instead. Your "delete the section entirely" edits are potentially bigoted against Christians and the historical fact of the Religion being descended from Judaism. I will put more sources into this section later today. Colliric ( talk) 03:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
In the Christianity section, I have deleted comments which do not refer to Shekhinah but do refer to the Holy Spirit in Christianity. Editors are welcome to add them to that page; they do not fit here. That is not bigotry (parts of the Christianity section which *do* refer to Shekhinah have not been deleted). Ar2332 ( talk) 18:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I think this [3] is vandalism to make specific references (links) on the WWW appear nonsensical. Anyway, the full quote is "In the imagery of the Kabbalah the shekhinah is the most overtly female sefirah, the last of the ten sefirot, referred to imaginatively as 'the daughter of God'. ... The harmonious relationship between the female shekhinah and the six sefirot which precede her causes the world itself to be sustained by the flow of divine energy. She is like the moon reflecting the divine light into the world." and it seems to me if you're going to quote somebody you at least owe it to that person to let their quote complete their poetic thought instead of butchering their word. Of course you have to find a logical cut off point -- 209.204.41.233 ( talk) 07:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Found in the Bible- Chronicles 7:1 shekinah glory- amplified Bible - and other passages as well. 2607:FEA8:A4E6:1700:3592:6E8F:EFB4:192E ( talk) 23:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Shekinah and Shekina are the more popular English spellings for the female presence of Glory of God. Strange that you would pick the spelling Shekhinah to headline the article.
I suggest that you change the title of the article to Shekinah. Then give the explanation that Shekina is more the Kabbalah (or Latin Cabala) and Hebrew spelling for the Glory of God.
All the spellings of Shekinah should be capitalized like the terms for Shakti or Holy Spirit.
I tried to fix up this article a bit by adding the section on the Shekinah as an angel, and by fleshing out the references to Biblical passages. I removed the stub tag, as I feel this article is no longer a stub, but I left the clean-up tag since I think it still needs some work. Sadly, I'm not educated enough on the subject to do it ^^; -- Togemon 19:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Creating a point of clarification in the edited information. Overall, most of this seems quite accurate. however, there IS a reference in the text to "Jehovah", and this word is NOT consistent with the Hebrew language, nor is it a word that would EVER be used in the Hebraic context. This word is the Christianized english transliteration that has it's roots in the Hebrew letters most commonly associated with the word "Yahweh". The Hebrew language has no vowls, so the word for "God" - yahweh, or YHWH in english - is as close as one can get to the original. In fact, the word "G-O-D" would never be spoken aloud, nor would the term "Yahweh". But "Jehovah" was translated from "Yahweh" at various stages, but is ONLY refered to by some in the Christian tradition. Since the word "Shekinah" - and it's various spellings - is from the Hebrew language and tradition, and refers to meanings within the Hebrew language and traditions, it seems inconsistent and perhaps even inappropriate to use the word "Jehovah" in any connection with "Shekinah".
Simply my opinion, based on 2 Master's degree's in the theological and biblical studies. :-)
== I added "to" in the Shekinah as Angel section - the omission was a typo.
YHWH = Yehowah 73.57.35.183 ( talk) 13:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I added more etymological information including use of the root "SHCHN" in biblical and Mishnaic hebrew. I question the claim that this not a hebrew word, but did not erase the quotation. I will try to find a later dictionary to replace the dictionary quote. Also added more Talmudic quotes connecting the term to joy, music, creativity, and prophecy, as well as imagery used by the Prophets. The article really needs a good work-over from someone versed in kabbalistic sources and able to do them real justice, Shekhinah means far more in Kabbalah than just the "sabbath bride" currently in the article.
Also, I left the references to other religions in but put them all in one place. Not sure they are helpful, since they appear to represent very superficial comparisons that could be misleading. -- Shirahadasha 19:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of links to sources presenting the Shekhinah as an example of a goddess. Acknowledging the POV exists enough not to be WP:OR, it is at best a very minority position and one not adopted by any mainstream version of Judaism. Would like to prune these links if no objections. -- Shirahadasha 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
On reflection, the viewpoint that the Shekhinah is a goddess appears to be coming from New-Age oriented websites like www.wheeloftheyear.org and www.pantheon.org whose scholarly expertise on Biblical and Jewish subjects seems questionable, which appear to have a goddess/pantheon-oriented POV, and which might be considered NPOV|partisan websites. Claims need to be clearly attributed -- this POV should not be represented as coming from either the Jewish religious or the academic community without a reliable source, and political claims should not be presented as fact. -- Shirahadasha 15:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Technically speaking the Shekinah is the Female Aspect of God and so not a Goddess in her own right. To properly understand what she is we have to change our idea of God as Masculine to something which contains both the Masculine and Feminine principles within it. Genesis says quite clearly that God makes Man in his image - 'Both Male and Female he created them'. The Kaballists see God as Androgynous and identify Female and Male aspects of His power (I use the word He cos Its or Their seems daft). They see the Shekinah as the Feminine Aspect which is sent among us to help us in this world, rather like Athena does in the Odyssey for Odysseus. If it helps, see the Shekinah as an Avatar of God. Whatever the case She is not separate from Him. ThePeg 09:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
In "The Da Vinci Code", Shekinah is also portrayed as a goddess to which Yahweh was married, I think. There should be a clarification, a correction to this, on the page. -- Mithcoriel 18:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Please cite sources taking the view that references to "glory" etc. are the same thing as, or have anything to do with, the hebrew word Shechinah. The typical Hebrew word used for glory -- kavod -- is a masculine noun, not a feminine one. Absent sources, a claim the two concepts are the same is original research and must be deleted as such.
Here's the disputed language pending resolution:
-- Shirahadasha 09:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Here are some specific quotes from the articles.
After introducing the Old Testament examples in a section entitled "The Biblical References To God’s Glory", the writer moves on to mention in the section "The Present Revelation of God’s Glory";
and also adds;
In reference to the shepherds the first reference says this:
The inclusion in the article is not determined by a particular pre-conceived view of how the Shekhinah "should" be defined, but is based upon suitable source material indicating that such views are held with regard to the significance and form of manifestation of the Shekhinah. J.christianson 10:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
References
When we look at the types presented in Creation, we find an example in the sun and the moon. The greater gives light and the lesser one reflects the light. In Joseph's dream, we find that the sun is portrayed as masculine (as in Jacob) whilst the moon is thus deemed feminine.
If we apply this analogy to Israel (declared feminine, as his "bride"), we can see that through being given the covenant and submitting to Him, that they were to reflect the glory of God before the nations.
We find that the first-born Israelites were redeemed through the Levites, and God promised that his new covenant, through the Spirit, would be upon all people (Joel).
Paul talks about being grafted into the spiritual life of thew Jews, and in many regards, like Ruth, those people are brought into that relationship to become a part of his people by following the Lord, but at this time it is not by being the first-born, or being from the tribe of Levi, but by the power of His Spirit. The term "bride" continues to be applied to those who are called his people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.christianson ( talk • contribs)
Hello, this is an encyclopedia, this Talk page is for discussion of the article's content. Please, respect your peers and Wikipedia, and don't use these pages for musings or proslytizing. -- Shirahadasha 04:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The musing is over the stated "feminine" aspect mentioned in both the article, and these talk pages - in fact you yourself have sought responses as to a Christian perspective as to considerations over masculine and feminine usage. Clearly there are many examples of "femininity" being applied in Scripture to designate the order within a relationship rather than to specify gender. J.christianson 04:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The word Shechina is a feminine word grammatically--it is the most natural way to say dwelling, as a noun. You wish to give deeper meaning to that, please. But it is a grammatically feminine word...just like Worship, service, or work (avoda, wisdom (Chochmah), insight (binah). Let's not get too carried away with this feminine thing. Every single noun in Hebrew has a fifty fifty chance of being feminine or masculine. are you gonna make a big deal about all those other words. Yes I know that Kabbalists make a bigger deal of the shekhina as a feminine...but you must recognize that they are expounding homiletically on the significance of a Hebrew grammatical fact. One must keep in mind that Kabbalists believe Hebrew is a language that is not Humanly invented but hasa deeper significance and reflects the very nature of the world. The most NPOV thing to say--and something that everyone agrees to is to say that it is grammatically a feminine word. Shekhina is not a merely mystical concept but first and foremost a Theological one. I am adding grammatically Shigaon ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Referemce to Shekhinah as an Angel is primarily to Gustav Davidson, an American poet who may not have been attempting to produce a scholarly work -- not clear that this is a reliable source that this was a mainstream opinion. Also want to make sure that the views presented as the Zohar's are the Zohar's and not Davidson's interpretation.-- Shirahadasha 03:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Removed the following language to here for now:
This paragr
Quoting from image caption:
" The Shekinah enters the Tabernacle. In traditional Judaism, unlike in some Christian culture, Divinity is not personified in visual imagery of a person."
With all due respect, I actually revere Jewish tradition.
1. Divinity is traditionally personified, Ganesha is the funniest. 2. The Jews represent an ultimately awesome linguistic embodiment of philosophical non-being with "mystical" Kabbalah. 3. Christian religious symbolism is a means for the intelligence to liberate, and ONLY because Jesus was a Jew. 4. The horror of "New Age" trends and conspiring occultists appropriating Jewish practices is the root human problem. 5. The Greeks realized sphere-nature of the Earth at the same time, so think about that when in doubt!
thank You, Tom the Greek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.0.220.171 ( talk) 13:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Many of the sections marked as "not in citation given," especially with scriptural references, are actually there in the Hebrew scriptures at those points, I'm not sure why they are marked that way. 24.207.130.41 ( talk) 18:10, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Citations to non-English sources are allowed. However, because this is the English-language Wikipedia [...] editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote, or on the article talk page. [...] When quoting a non-English source (whether in the main text, in a footnote, or on the talk page), a translation into English should always accompany the quote.
Above Avarot, the highest heaven, there is alleged to be a rainbow of this description, but no rainbow is found in this article. Anyone familiar with this? Twillisjr ( talk) 18:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
For example: "Patai draws a historic distinction between the Shekhinah and the Matronit." is the only instance of the word "Matronit" without explaining what or who this Matronit is, even as Matronit link to this very article. SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 12:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The term "Shekhinah" or "Shekinta" is actually pre-rabbinic (as Rabbinic is commonly understood). It was used first in the Targums (Onkelos & Neofiti). So it's definately inaccurate to describe it's use as purely Rabbinic and not biblical. Onkelos was contemporary with Jesus & the Apostles. I'm even half sure there's an NT reference to reading the Targum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.141.195.67 ( talk) 10:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
This is considered by Wikipedia's mods to be vandalism of the Religious articles. Please improve the section per what issues is discussed in the section's lead or leave this section for Christian editors to edit and fix up instead. Your "delete the section entirely" edits are potentially bigoted against Christians and the historical fact of the Religion being descended from Judaism. I will put more sources into this section later today. Colliric ( talk) 03:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
In the Christianity section, I have deleted comments which do not refer to Shekhinah but do refer to the Holy Spirit in Christianity. Editors are welcome to add them to that page; they do not fit here. That is not bigotry (parts of the Christianity section which *do* refer to Shekhinah have not been deleted). Ar2332 ( talk) 18:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I think this [3] is vandalism to make specific references (links) on the WWW appear nonsensical. Anyway, the full quote is "In the imagery of the Kabbalah the shekhinah is the most overtly female sefirah, the last of the ten sefirot, referred to imaginatively as 'the daughter of God'. ... The harmonious relationship between the female shekhinah and the six sefirot which precede her causes the world itself to be sustained by the flow of divine energy. She is like the moon reflecting the divine light into the world." and it seems to me if you're going to quote somebody you at least owe it to that person to let their quote complete their poetic thought instead of butchering their word. Of course you have to find a logical cut off point -- 209.204.41.233 ( talk) 07:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Found in the Bible- Chronicles 7:1 shekinah glory- amplified Bible - and other passages as well. 2607:FEA8:A4E6:1700:3592:6E8F:EFB4:192E ( talk) 23:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)