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Nice new article, good work! — Rlevse • Talk • 12:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Per my request for a pre-GA review, anything you think will help improve the article (or convince me that it is doomed to ever go GA) please note here. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 06:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
The thing you might get flak for during a GA review is the references:
Overall it looks like a nice article, and I don't think it's too promotional. GA doesn't require comprehensiveness, just broadness, and so I don't think the missing information on schools, family, etc will be a big deal, although it would be nice if you ever come across the information. Sorry for taking a couple of days to get back to this - I've got it watchlisted and will try to be around to help out during the GA review. Dana boomer ( talk) 14:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
QUESTION: A couple of the potentially iffy-looking cites to farm web pages are actually linked to research articles written by a woman named Arlene Magid. Magid does this work for pay by the people in question, but she happens to be the premier researcher on Arabian bloodlines and show records, so people gladly pay her to do a "background check" if you will, on their horses. Her works are considered gold standard that you can take to the bank for accuracy (and, occasionally, literally to get the loan to buy the horse! LOL!) So, how do I convince a GA reviewer that even though the link is to a farm site, it's the author's name that we are banking on? She's like Gladys Brown Edwards, a respected expert in the field, but little known elsewhere. Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Jack, Wasn't sure why you changed the names in the ref name templates--seems like we substituted the simple for the complicated. Also, not sure the protocol on using "quotation marks" around the ref names...I thought quotes were only needed if there was a space in the name. Not a complaint, just a question. Also, is there any reason to bulk out the edit page by putting each part of the cite templates on a different line? (Makes it easy to see the cites, true there, but harder to place them in the flow of the text...??) Basically, I'm trying to sort out what's a style preference and what MOS considers best practice... (or, put differently, someone at GA whines, will you fix the ones you did? LOL!) Montanabw (talk) 22:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I've finished up the cites to the externs; they're all defined in the ref section and referenced using shortish names in the prose. This clears the prose of the goop. I also reordered them in the ref sec by site; mostly, some are one-off. They can be ordered anyway that's convenient for editing. Any new ones should go in the ref section, following this pattern.
I've also change the book/page refs to use {{
sfn}}. This doesn't use names, just consistent invocations: {{sfn|Edwards|1973|p=142}}
, for example; if you do this more than once, they can be combined with the 'a', 'b' notation in the reference section. Further, if you click on the link in the ref section, your focus is moved the the book's entry in the Sources section (which didn't have to move up, as I'd been thinking). Teh GA types should like this ;) These are all referencing techniques that should be propagated to anything you work on. Cheers,
Jack Merridew
07:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey Jack, comment on the book citations. On the Thwaites book, all I know is what I think I pulled out of the actual hardcopy that's been sitting on my shelf for the last 20 years, but I promise to double-check. Typos are not impossible from me, I admit! For the rest, I can't figure out how a book has an ISBN but didn't print it on the book itself – I've combed through the pages a half-dozen times and not seen one ... are they hiding in some weird spot I'm overlooking? Montanabw (talk) 03:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
For possible future use:
Just in case there is expansion of article on Sheila's extended family and other issues. Montanabw (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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Rms125a@hotmail.com, the reason you keep getting reverted is because: 1) You keep breaking properly formatted paragraphs into multiple choppy little 1 or 2 sentence paragraphs, which is poor writing form. 2) The sources you are adding are not formatted properly. This is a GA-class article and all the refs need to be properly formatted using the citation templates. Learn to do this. 3) We don't use citations in the lead, as the lead summarizes sourced content found elsewhere in the article (see WP:LEAD). Yes, Varian died of ovarian cancer. The source is fine, the problem is that a) you don't put it in the lead, you only put it in the body text, and b) You have to format it properly, which you aren't. So when you have it properly done, you won't get reverted. If you need help with this, ask me and I can give you advice on how to do it properly. Montanabw (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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Sheila Varian of California is an
Arabian horse breeder who is also a horse trainer in the
vaquero tradition, and was inducted into the
National Cowgirl Museum and Hall of Fame in 2003? | |||||||||
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Nice new article, good work! — Rlevse • Talk • 12:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Per my request for a pre-GA review, anything you think will help improve the article (or convince me that it is doomed to ever go GA) please note here. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 06:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
The thing you might get flak for during a GA review is the references:
Overall it looks like a nice article, and I don't think it's too promotional. GA doesn't require comprehensiveness, just broadness, and so I don't think the missing information on schools, family, etc will be a big deal, although it would be nice if you ever come across the information. Sorry for taking a couple of days to get back to this - I've got it watchlisted and will try to be around to help out during the GA review. Dana boomer ( talk) 14:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
QUESTION: A couple of the potentially iffy-looking cites to farm web pages are actually linked to research articles written by a woman named Arlene Magid. Magid does this work for pay by the people in question, but she happens to be the premier researcher on Arabian bloodlines and show records, so people gladly pay her to do a "background check" if you will, on their horses. Her works are considered gold standard that you can take to the bank for accuracy (and, occasionally, literally to get the loan to buy the horse! LOL!) So, how do I convince a GA reviewer that even though the link is to a farm site, it's the author's name that we are banking on? She's like Gladys Brown Edwards, a respected expert in the field, but little known elsewhere. Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Jack, Wasn't sure why you changed the names in the ref name templates--seems like we substituted the simple for the complicated. Also, not sure the protocol on using "quotation marks" around the ref names...I thought quotes were only needed if there was a space in the name. Not a complaint, just a question. Also, is there any reason to bulk out the edit page by putting each part of the cite templates on a different line? (Makes it easy to see the cites, true there, but harder to place them in the flow of the text...??) Basically, I'm trying to sort out what's a style preference and what MOS considers best practice... (or, put differently, someone at GA whines, will you fix the ones you did? LOL!) Montanabw (talk) 22:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I've finished up the cites to the externs; they're all defined in the ref section and referenced using shortish names in the prose. This clears the prose of the goop. I also reordered them in the ref sec by site; mostly, some are one-off. They can be ordered anyway that's convenient for editing. Any new ones should go in the ref section, following this pattern.
I've also change the book/page refs to use {{
sfn}}. This doesn't use names, just consistent invocations: {{sfn|Edwards|1973|p=142}}
, for example; if you do this more than once, they can be combined with the 'a', 'b' notation in the reference section. Further, if you click on the link in the ref section, your focus is moved the the book's entry in the Sources section (which didn't have to move up, as I'd been thinking). Teh GA types should like this ;) These are all referencing techniques that should be propagated to anything you work on. Cheers,
Jack Merridew
07:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey Jack, comment on the book citations. On the Thwaites book, all I know is what I think I pulled out of the actual hardcopy that's been sitting on my shelf for the last 20 years, but I promise to double-check. Typos are not impossible from me, I admit! For the rest, I can't figure out how a book has an ISBN but didn't print it on the book itself – I've combed through the pages a half-dozen times and not seen one ... are they hiding in some weird spot I'm overlooking? Montanabw (talk) 03:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
For possible future use:
Just in case there is expansion of article on Sheila's extended family and other issues. Montanabw (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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