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The first and only time I've seen Sharron was when we went to watch the filming of Celebrity Squares in London back in the early 1980s.
I was very pleased to see her because we all fancied her (and still do) whilst admiring her too. She didn't contribute much but it was probably one of her first gigs like this.
Besides, the show also featured Kenny Everett who as you can imagine took over the whole thing (though he was subdued in the second show - maybe the booze/drugs had worn off or they are warned him to calm it down).
It was hosted by Bob Monkhouse but I don't recall other celebs. But who cares when we got Sharron, Bob and Kenny. All for free too. Royzee ( talk) 11:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Has just been on Celebrity Island with Bear Grylls but quit this evening. 12 Sep 17 [1] Just putting this in here as I may forget to update properly, and at least it is noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.65.147 ( talk) 21:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Potential WP:COI issue from @ Sixonline who has only really edited this article, removed negative coverage and added promotional info like a training series she launched on her website. These are red flags. This article may therefore omit certain issues and may need fixing. Solipsism 101 ( talk) 00:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I've reverted an edit which attributed a position to a prominent person (Madeline Groves), which was the opposite of that which she actually held (see reference in text). I'm unclear as to whether this was intentional or accidental, but as the other edits made by the user appeared to have a clear point of view behind them, I have reverted them all for the time being.
I do think it's important to make sure we present the issue of transgender people in sport in as neutral a manner as possible. Particularly as there is already a wiki page which goes into the matter in more detail.
In my opinion this one should only report the views of Sharon Davies, and possibly the support/criticism of other prominent sports people, with as little as possible about whether those views are factually correct (as this would be involve a duplication of effort). Criticism may be relevant in order to avoid the appearance that her views are universally held, but in that case I think it should be kept as brief as possible
Please could we discuss any further changes to the section "Trans women in sport and modelling" here, before going ahead? 2A00:23C6:2A8F:DE01:B5A0:7675:C6E5:7064 ( talk) 02:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
The article currently reads as follows: "In 2019, Davies entered the debate about the participation by trans women in female sporting competitions, opposing such participation and citing an alleged biological advantage trans women hold in sports."
I tried to remove "alleged", but that was reverted by User:2A00:23C6:2A8F:DE01:A989:E407:46E1:9B0C with a statement that my edit was non-neutral and that (s)he was reverting "back to neutral language".
There is not enough space in the edit summary for me to explain why I felt that the previous language was non-neutral (I was trying to make it more neutral) so here I am.
Use of the word "alleged" implies "questionable truth" or "declared but not proven" (see [1] [2]).
I believe using the word "alleged" implies falsehood in this context and is not WP:NPOV: Just because she claims it doesn't make it true or false, so why add the word "alleged" behind what she claims unless it's demonstrably false?
I don't believe it is demonstrably false, as other Wikipedia articles do have cited sources for the statement that "Biological sex differences in humans impact performance in sports" (see Transgender_people_in_sports#Testosterone,_athletic_ability_and_injury_risks). That being said, if neutral language is used, the truth or falsehood of her statement should be irrelevant. The point of the sentence is why she entered the debate, not whether she was right or wrong.
I'd like to rephrase this sentence in a way that does not imply her position as being either factually correct or incorrect.
Here are some alternative wordings:
I prefer #2, since she entered the debate prior to the letter cited in #3. As such I will change to #2. If it gets reverted again, I hope that reversion will come along with productive discussion here, with a view to consensus. - Frazzydee| ✍ 05:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
The given link doesn't support the claim of 12 Olympic appearances. 2A02:C7C:5A9C:1B00:A03F:56B1:4A58:ED77 ( talk) 21:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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The first and only time I've seen Sharron was when we went to watch the filming of Celebrity Squares in London back in the early 1980s.
I was very pleased to see her because we all fancied her (and still do) whilst admiring her too. She didn't contribute much but it was probably one of her first gigs like this.
Besides, the show also featured Kenny Everett who as you can imagine took over the whole thing (though he was subdued in the second show - maybe the booze/drugs had worn off or they are warned him to calm it down).
It was hosted by Bob Monkhouse but I don't recall other celebs. But who cares when we got Sharron, Bob and Kenny. All for free too. Royzee ( talk) 11:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Has just been on Celebrity Island with Bear Grylls but quit this evening. 12 Sep 17 [1] Just putting this in here as I may forget to update properly, and at least it is noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.65.147 ( talk) 21:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Potential WP:COI issue from @ Sixonline who has only really edited this article, removed negative coverage and added promotional info like a training series she launched on her website. These are red flags. This article may therefore omit certain issues and may need fixing. Solipsism 101 ( talk) 00:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I've reverted an edit which attributed a position to a prominent person (Madeline Groves), which was the opposite of that which she actually held (see reference in text). I'm unclear as to whether this was intentional or accidental, but as the other edits made by the user appeared to have a clear point of view behind them, I have reverted them all for the time being.
I do think it's important to make sure we present the issue of transgender people in sport in as neutral a manner as possible. Particularly as there is already a wiki page which goes into the matter in more detail.
In my opinion this one should only report the views of Sharon Davies, and possibly the support/criticism of other prominent sports people, with as little as possible about whether those views are factually correct (as this would be involve a duplication of effort). Criticism may be relevant in order to avoid the appearance that her views are universally held, but in that case I think it should be kept as brief as possible
Please could we discuss any further changes to the section "Trans women in sport and modelling" here, before going ahead? 2A00:23C6:2A8F:DE01:B5A0:7675:C6E5:7064 ( talk) 02:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
The article currently reads as follows: "In 2019, Davies entered the debate about the participation by trans women in female sporting competitions, opposing such participation and citing an alleged biological advantage trans women hold in sports."
I tried to remove "alleged", but that was reverted by User:2A00:23C6:2A8F:DE01:A989:E407:46E1:9B0C with a statement that my edit was non-neutral and that (s)he was reverting "back to neutral language".
There is not enough space in the edit summary for me to explain why I felt that the previous language was non-neutral (I was trying to make it more neutral) so here I am.
Use of the word "alleged" implies "questionable truth" or "declared but not proven" (see [1] [2]).
I believe using the word "alleged" implies falsehood in this context and is not WP:NPOV: Just because she claims it doesn't make it true or false, so why add the word "alleged" behind what she claims unless it's demonstrably false?
I don't believe it is demonstrably false, as other Wikipedia articles do have cited sources for the statement that "Biological sex differences in humans impact performance in sports" (see Transgender_people_in_sports#Testosterone,_athletic_ability_and_injury_risks). That being said, if neutral language is used, the truth or falsehood of her statement should be irrelevant. The point of the sentence is why she entered the debate, not whether she was right or wrong.
I'd like to rephrase this sentence in a way that does not imply her position as being either factually correct or incorrect.
Here are some alternative wordings:
I prefer #2, since she entered the debate prior to the letter cited in #3. As such I will change to #2. If it gets reverted again, I hope that reversion will come along with productive discussion here, with a view to consensus. - Frazzydee| ✍ 05:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
The given link doesn't support the claim of 12 Olympic appearances. 2A02:C7C:5A9C:1B00:A03F:56B1:4A58:ED77 ( talk) 21:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)