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Matatus are called mathrees because the swahili word for three is tatu. By simply replacing the Swahili "tatu" for the English "three", typical of sheng, the word changes from matatu to mathree.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.57.174 ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 19 January 2006
Use of the term Bush Taxi. The term "Bush Taxi" is not used in Nigeria. Where are the references to it being referred as such? I am Nigerian and other than wikipedia pages, and sites that reference wikipedia I can find no link between Bush Taxi and Nigeria. The article is a very slanted/weird POV. — Preceding
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Steverwanda did a great job creating a much needed general article from the many small articles that had been started on regional versions of share taxis. In order to keep the edit attribution clear, I have merged the histories from sherut, bush taxi and matatu here, for anyone who is looking at the history and thinks that they're seeing the biggest revert war ever. ;) Cheers, Banyan Tree 15:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the recent edits by user:Alanmak ( [1] [2] [3] [4]), I don't agree that, for the purpose of this article, the official designation of Hong Kong for international organisations and sport events, namely " Hong Kong, China", nor it's official full name with partial and unusual abbreviation, is relevant and necessary to be used here. See also user:Jiang's edit summary. The English word " country " is not always synonymous with sovereign state". — Insta ntnood 19:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd just like to say that the slow-motion edit war going on here is really silly. What is the problem with adding the word "territory" to the top of the chart? My own personal understanding of the word "country" in this sense is roughly synonymous with "nation", which Hong Kong is not. Why can't we add one word and be done with it? The edit war has nothing at all to do with share taxis. — BrianSmithson 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! You are off to a great start here, and this is indeed an important topic which has its full place in WP. For the time being the weaker links that need attention are:
As anyone who has ever used them, shared taxis are a great way to get around and more often than not tend to pop up in an environment where the planners and policy makers have failed to meet people’s legitimate demands. Is there a lot that’s wrong with these systems at their worst. You bet! But in virtually every case, there is something that can be done about it. And should be!
In an attempt to further strengthen this fine start, I am inviting colleagues from the New Mobility Agenda ‘idea factory’ at http://www.newmobility.org and the Sustran list at sustran-discuss@egroups.com which offers terrific coverage of transport in Asia to pitch in and help us complete this world inventory. As to how it fits in with public policy, we have recently set up an open forum at http://www.xtransit.org/ the members of which are also being invited to pitch in here as well. ericbritton 11:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Any opinions on this? I think it's a mixture a the moment, though a lot of the main blurb was written by Brian Smithson in the Bush taxi article so uses US English. The article covers the Jitney, a US vehicle, but also refers extensively to matatus, dala-dalas etc. which operate in former British colonies and hence use British English so it could go either way. Steverwanda 10:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this needs some change as it stands - the first paragraph in the 'along the route' subsection contains information about the pricing structure, luggage regulations and departure times, which aren't to do with what happens along the route. My idea was to try and separate information about what actually happens when the vehicle is loading and setting off from more general stuff such as its ownership and pricing. Would it be feasible to have two sections broadly along those lines?
Also, there is obviously a difference in systems between 'ticketing' buses and the sort we have here in Rwanda, where you just get on the bus without purchasing a ticket (even at the taxi park) and pay the conductor when you get off. Probably need to generalise the entry in 'Operation' and add more specific information in the Features in individual countries section. — Steverwanda 16:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
The country/state/region issue should soon qualify for Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever, so keep it up. -- Ezeu 19:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: " Please stop pushing your pro-separatist or pro-independence POV. " [8] - It's nonsense. Calling anywhere country is far from being separatists or independence advocators. Country ≠ sovereign state. Please justify the accusation, or else please stop. — Insta ntnood 20:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The following sounds really suspicious, and as it was unsourced information from an anonymous contributor, I've removed it for now:
Can anyone comment one way or the other on this information's validity? — BrianSmithson 13:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Definitely not true in July 2006 around Nairobi and Narok. As far as I know, the current text about regulation in January 2004 is accurate. Speaking of regulation, I also recall they're soon to stop issuing licenses to 15-passenger matatus in Nairobi due to congestion; only 25-passenger matatus and grandfathered 15-passenger ones will be allowed. - Slamb 20:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
In Estonia, shared taxis also exist (mainly in the capital, Tallinn, for urban transport) and they are locally (in Estonian) called "liinitakso" (official name) or "marsruuttakso" (old name but still widely used) or "marsa" (slang name). Unfortunately I do not have the skills nor the time to edit this page correctly to add Estonian information. It'd be nice if anyone who is more skilled than I am in editing Wikipedia could do that. Thanks, or sorry for probably posting in the wrong place.
"Share taxis are an important form of mobility (and job creation) in many parts of the world but are by and large poorly understood and not well integrated into the overall transportation projects of cities and regions."
What is meant by "are poorly understood"? That's not written properly, I suppose. Does it mean that they are poorly understood by scientists? users? authorities? First world citizens? I think they're a completely understandable service, especially where many people don't have a car, or money to buy fuel easily.. Also, the countries which rely on this service do have regulations (why is it said that it is harder to regulate this kind of service compared to a taxi? In most countries these vehicles are clearly marked, grouped by route / area of coverage, and must follow a special kind of regulation, even if they're private). Moreover, I don't understand why is it stated that share taxis must be old and polluting.. On the contrary, since they are used for a job, they must comply with extra specifications to the transit authorities, compared to any citizen's car (even if a country didn't have a specific law for private transport, which is unlikely, it must regulate that any service provided by a legally recognized company or individual be safe to clients). I don't know if it would be better or worse for the environment if every one of the 3 passengers plus driver on a share taxi drove a separate car (let's say it's not carrying the full load of 4 passengers, but also if it constantly carries two or less, then probably the taxi will be appointed to a different zone over time). Perhaps, since the share taxi spends part of its time driving with no passengers, there's no difference for everyone to travel in a different car. But I don't think that share taxi networks have to be especially 'old and polluting' when compared to other options. It may sound like I am defending this way of transport (I don't actually like having to share space with anyone), but I'm just trying to say that the article either exaggerates it's views or actually doesn't explain itself correctly. Share taxis have (depending on the region) some advantages too, and just being shared doesn't turn a taxi older, but it does make it cheaper. note: please pardon me if I made any mistakes in writing or perhaps seem to be speaking too 'aggresively'.. My english is far from perfect, and because of that, I struggle a bit with words trying to express myself 200.7.17.207 09:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC) user:guruclef
I agree with the above comments. My understanding is that in many parts of the world these services are completely unregulated and operated by owner/drivers and the vehicles may indeed be old and polluting and not be understood or respected by authorities or even be legal but that is not the central point, which is that they are shared and have more flexible operation than a bus. They are clearly very different culturally from a centrally organised and operated bus service. However, in the UK there is a strong policy interest in significant role that shared services such as these can perform and a number of authority-led services have been introduced, and recent legislation now allows taxi drivers to legally offer shared services. I will edit the introduction to make this cleared in the next few weeks unless people disagree User:PeterIto 03:27 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
Last year I added details of the Petit Taxi and Grand Taxi in Morocco to this page. Both of these were removed by someone saying that these were normally private. I have now checked my facts with a Moroccan and on the web for more evidence to backup my claim. Can I ask someone with a longer track record to add this information to the page.
Here are some references:
"The other option is to take a Grand Taxi. The entire taxi cost Dirham 480 to hire from Marrakech to Quarzazate. If you are willing to squeeze into the back of the taxi with three others, while having 2 sit in the front seat, it will cost 80 Dirham each. The taxi will only leave once it is full." http://www.cameltrekking.com/erg-chebbi-directions.html
"Around places like Merzouga and Rissani you don't always have to wait for a grand taxi to fill up with 6 people. Many times I would buy only 2 or 3 seats of the journey and the driver would agree to take me" http://www.lonelyplanet.com/letters/afr/mor_pc.htm
"To get to M'hamid, the last town before the desert begins, you have to get a shared taxi ("grand taxi) from Zagora, which costs 25 dirham per passenger.
It may take quite some time for a shared taxi to fill up with 6 passengers. If you're in a hurry, pay 150 dirham for all seats, and maybe an extra 50 to pursuade the driver to leave immediately." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/to-zagora.htm
"You can also flag down a taxi anywhere along the road. If there's any space, the driver will stop and take you in. When it's full, the driver will wave at you apologizingly." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/travel-around-taxi.htm
"It's common for a petit taxi to pick up another passenger along the road when there is a free seat. The driver will stop to check where the new passenger is going. He'll only take him or her in if their destination is on your route or involves only a small detour. The new passenger will pay part of the fare, of course." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/travel-around-taxi.htm
Note that I have included text from other websites, but only to validate the claim (and only on this discussion page). When this issue has been resolved this note can be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PeterIto ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Document seems to be locked, on chart on right in Puerto Rico please add "Carros Públicos" thanks – Moebiusuibeom 19:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't get the dolmuş - minibus differentiation. It's said in the article that dolmuşes are more comfortable, expensive and rare, opposed to the cheaper and abundant "minibus"es. This sounds like the writer confused dolmuşes with ordinary taxicabs, or at least with the so-called taksi-dolmuş (a regular 5-7 seater passenger car working with the same "departs when full" principle), which had its day in the 70s and 80s but is almost inexistent today (Bursa is the only example i know having taksi-dolmuşes) 88.232.177.54 16:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
"The first U.S. jitneys ran in Los Angeles, California in 1914. By 1915, there were 62,000 nationwide. Local regulations, demanded by streetcar companies, killed the jitney in most places. By the end of 1916, only 6,000 jitneys remained"
So this article is telling me that there was the first jitney in 1914, 62,000 BY 1915, and 6,000 at the end of 1916. I don't think this is even remotely true. Christopher Reuter 20:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what that is doing in the list. Although you can ride on a School Bus in the boonies (not sure if that was legal even there and then, but no one made a fuss) and some places have special regulations for seniors and people with disabilities, I don't think it's appropriate to list it in this context. As far as I know most places have regulations that school bus operators may NOT take anyone but schoolkids. Otherwise I think there would be a huge mess with insurance. Tourists looking for a shared ride are certainly not well advised to go asking for a School Bus. If there are other interpretations s.o. should write a paragraph on it, otherwise I'd vote for taking it out of the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.51.15.15 ( talk) 04:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the School Bus does not seem to belong here as it is not generally available to the public. Could someone from the US remove it or justify its inclusion! User:PeterIto 03:14 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
From my reading of the article paratransit, it is a sort of Share Taxi and should be included in the name list for the US. Can someone who knows the US better please comment and add it if appropriate? User:PeterIto 03:27 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
Texxi is the brand name for shared taxi service offer by a UK company. The service is neat, but is not well known within the UK and is certainly not ubiqitous and feels out of place. Possibly a general section on the use of IT to support Share Taxi may be appropriate within the article. I will modify the entry in a few weeks unless people argue for retaining it here and add a section about Information Technology modern role. User:PeterIto 03:49 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
I have now generalised the Texxi article and just linked to them at the end PeterIto ( talk) 23:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
To my mind the central aspects of a Share Taxi is that it is a system where members of the public who do not know each other can share a chauffered vehicle simultaneously and where the vehicle is not required to follow a fixed route to a fixed schedule. I understand that some Share Taxis run on fixed routes but not to fixed timetables, some run 'semi-fixed' routes and some run constrained routing and timetabling. Unless people disagree I will update the initial paragraph to reflect this in a few weeks. User:PeterIto 03:49 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
WP: Neologism reads:
I think you have to prove that share taxi is the most commonly used phrase for this mode of transport - it's NOT just the one wikipedia editors have agreed to use (way back when) for some arbitrary reason, which would be WP:original research. I also have a problem with the possibility that other longer articles have been merged into here, as someone wants "public light bus" to be. Were Jitney, Jeepney and other longer articles deleted into this smaller article? This mode of transport is gaining more and more attention - and is being opposed by special interests. So let's make sure we are using the BEST wikipolicies in putting an article together on this topic. Carol Moore 15:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC) Carolmooredc {talk}
Is this article about Public Light Buses in Hong Kong, or Public Light Buses in general? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.38.181 ( talk) 08:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Are dollar van distinct from share taxis? If so, should those two articles be merged? Nightscream ( talk) 23:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I have added a link to "Dollar Van" as a Main Article under "U.S. and Canada." Maybe that's all that needs to be done?
oppose merger: Dollar van does not need to offer a worldwide view because it is about this type of vehicle in USA. It would enlarge Share taxi to much to merge the articles. Maybe Dollar van shoulkd be called share taxis in USA or similar. Nankai ( talk) 20:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The article on Barbados offers ZRs as a share taxi... -- Smilo Don ( talk) 08:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Along the route: "Usually the vehicle continues along its route even if it is not always full, although prevarication and long delays are common".
I believe that the word needed here is 'procrastination' ( [16]) not 'prevarication' ( [17]) Pendant ( talk) 10:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
On the chart at the top it mentions "Combi" but I have most often heard them referred to as "Trufi" (pronounce true-fee) Combi describes the general van type vehicle.
(logged in and removed my IP... sorry.) Titanium geek ( talk) 12:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Many of the vehicles for hire described in the "Traditional systems around the world" section may be better placed on their own pages, as they appear to simply be informal means of public transportation and so not conforming to the share taxi definition. These sections include: bush taxi, Share taxi#Daladala (Tanzania), etc.
All informal means of public transportation aren't share taxis: a share taxi is a vehicle for hire with a specific and unique mode of operation. It is informal, leaves when full instead of using a timetable, plys a route, may stop anywhere along that route and/or have a fixed terminus, and usually isn't operated by a government agency.
Fleetham ( talk) 15:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I've been adding citations to the page and many have been from blogs. This may be in contravention of WP:Citing sources. Fleetham ( talk) 08:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Why did you remove all the pictures from this and other articles? This comes very near vandalism in my eyes. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 20:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
In Turkey[15] and Turkish controlled, Northern Cyprus[16] dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush"[17]) are share taxis that run on set routes within[17][18] and between cities.[17]
I don't appreciate Mr. Coppers removing many refs. Let's NOT do this. You may have a LEGIT. COMPLAINT, but let's solve this though TALKING, not REMOVING ALL THE REFS. Fleetham ( talk) 18:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have reworked the Dolmus section into a format that greatly reduces the number of references (from 15 to 3). Does anyone object to that wording and the citations? PeterEastern ( talk) 19:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am including a copy of both versions of the Dolmus section here for further discussion. The first is your preferred version, the second is the one I created which you then reverted. What exactly is your objection to this 2nd version which I consider to be clearer, to be better structured and which manages with fewer citations? Note that I have made some minor changes to this 2nd version to correct a typo and reorder some content. PeterEastern ( talk) 18:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
24 Feb version
A dolmuş (pronounced DOLL-moosh) is a privately owned vehicle, normally with a capacity of 14 passengers, that runs on set routes within cities. It also runs to and from outlying towns and villages.
Dolmuşes mostly work on a fixed fee system: whatever the distance, passengers pay a set amount for the route, although there can be different prices for different distance groups in larger cities' dolmuşes. Cities have dedicated dolmuş stops as for buses, but on quieter routes a dolmuş may be hailed at any point on the route.
Dolmuş means "full" or "stuffed", as they depart not on fixed schedules but when sufficient passengers have boarded. Sometimes during off-peak periods, it is common for passenger(s) to pay the fare for the empty seat(s) for the dolmuş to depart without "filling up", if they do not want to wait for the entire car to fill up. It is customary for the passengers to cooperate in passing fares forward to the driver and passing change back.
There are actually two different share taxi systems in Turkey, and dolmuş is one of them, which is rapidly becoming a common name for both systems. In the traditional manner the dolmuşes are somehow vans providing a relatively comfortable transportation. Dolmuşes are yellow vans commuting 7-8 people at a time. They are also one of the more expensive mass transport alternatives. Minibuses however, have a capacity for 14 - 20 people. The picture on the right hand side shows a typical minibus. They are much cheaper and much easier to get access, because the streets are full of them.
Since rapid transit in Turkish cities is still being developed, a dolmuş is often the only alternative. Minibus drivers have a reputation for being aggressive, fearless and rude. Dolmuş drivers, in contrary, tend to know the local commuters in the smaller neighborhoods that they serve and are rather courteous. A dolmuş ride is also considered the only reliable form of rapid transit in Istanbul, for being the only form of mass transit running almost 24 hours a day.
Current version - 11 March
In Turkey and Turkish controlled, Northern Cyprus dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush" [1]) are share taxis that run on set routes within [1] [2] and between [1] cities. Each of these cars or minibuses displays their particular route on signboards behind the windscreen. [1]
Some cities may only allow dolmuş to pick-up and disembark passengers at designated stops, and terminals also exist. [1] The word derives from Turkish for "full" or "stuffed", [3] as these share taxis depart from the terminal only when a sufficient amount of passengers have boarded. [1]
Westerners may be surprised by the speed of dolmuş travel. [4]
These share taxis are also found in Turkish-controlled, Northern Cyprus under the same name. [3] Traveling intra and inter-city, [3] the privately owned minibuses or aging Mercedes stretch limos are overseen by a governance institution; routes are leased and vehicles, licensed. [3] Passengers board anywhere along the route (you may have to get the driver to stop if he doesn't honk at you) as well as at termini and official stations. [3] Dolmuş in Turkish-controlled, Northern Cyprus display their routes but don't follow timetables. [3] Instead, they simply appear frequently. [3]
Text proposed by PeterEastern based on rework of current text
In Turkey and Turkish controlled Northern Cyprus share taxis, known as dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush") run frequently along set routes within and between cities. The vehicles, ranging from brand new minibuses [5] to aging Mercedes stretch limos display their route on signboards behind the windscreen but do not operate to fixed timetables. In some cities a dolmuş is only allowed to stop at designated stops or at terminals; in less busy locations passengers may board anywhere along the route. Share taxis depart from the terminal only when a sufficient amount of passengers have boarded and the name Dolmus is derived from Turkish for "full" or "stuffed" for that reason. [1]
The system is regulated both in Cyprus and in Turkey with the privately owned vehicles requiring a license and the routes being leased. [3] [5] A dolmuş ride was described by one Westerner as being 'terrifying, awe-inspiring, confusing, incomprehensible, charming, hospitable and alien.' [4]
References for all the quotes above
- ^ a b c d e f g Turkish Dolmus Taxi or Minibus turkeytravelplanner.com Cite error: The named reference "tplan" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ WHAT'S DOING IN ANKARA nytimes.com, April 5, 1981
- ^ a b c d e f g h Bus Services in North Cyprus essentialcyprus.com, January 28, 2009 Cite error: The named reference "Cypriot" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ a b Dolmuş story hurriyetdailynews.com, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 Cite error: The named reference "turk" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ a b "Getting Around in Fethiye - The Dolmus".
Can I suggest that we keep this section for and further specific comments on the Dolmus section. I realise that I opened a wider discussion about how to resolve the more general concern about the recent editing to the article and there may also be issues with other articles. I am about to create a new section on this page to discuss our concerns about Fleetham's editing of this article and how we get to a resolution. PeterEastern ( talk) 09:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Fleetham has made over 250 edits to this single article in the last 3 weeks (between 24 Feb 2011 and 12 March 2011). These edits have raised concerns from two other contributors in particular ( PeterEastern and ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ). The scope and speed of these edits makes it impossible to see what is being changed and why - see earlier discussions on this page - and contributions from other people during this period have generally been reverted. Much good new content may be being added, however in places the resulting article is considered to the less good, see Dolmus discussion above. More seriously, this approach excludes other contributors which is demotivating for others who have worked on the article.
I am proposing the following process to resolve the issue.
Please can people say if they agree with this plan (a simple 'I agree' / 'i don't agree' is sufficient at this stage).
- PeterEastern ( talk) 09:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that we now do a quick review of the changes for better and worse between 24 Feb and 14 March version. Given that Fleetham is completely happy with the 14 March version can I ask him to let Mr Choppers and myself take the lead on this and that in each case Fleetham can respond with his view. It will probably not be productive however to have a long discussion on each point. PeterEastern ( talk) 23:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Here is what I mean. The definition of "Share taxi" for a UITP working paper (page 6) is the following, which is pretty vague and also allows for further interpretations:
Shared taxis - The shared taxis category considered here refers to all vehicles with a seating capacity of 5 people travelling together, not necessarily with each other or to the same destination. Minibuses, known as ‘shared taxis’ in some locations, were not included in this category. Besides, taking account of the disparities in the terminology and in the level of acceptance of these ’shared taxis’ by the local public authorities of the cities, all kinds of shared taxis were included in this category regardless of their official or unofficial recognition or whether they are licensed or not.
Fleetham, above, stated that a share taxi is:
a share taxi is a vehicle for hire with a specific and unique mode of operation. It is informal, leaves when full instead of using a timetable, plys a route, may stop anywhere along that route and/or have a fixed terminus, and usually isn't operated by a government agency.
This is Fleetham's own interpretation of the meaning of "share taxi", and as such should not be used to determine what needs referencing or not. As an example, the definition of "Share taxi" in the Rwandan context (again UITP, pp. 50-51) is as follows, even allowing for vehicles leaving on a timetable:
Share taxis - The share taxis come in two forms: The main form of public transport within Rwanda is the share taxi, known locally simply as taxi or colloquially “twegerane” (let us sit together) which are 14-20 seat minibuses estimated at 2000. They run between two termini (known as taxi parks), but stop frequently along the route to pick up and set down passengers. They almost always wait until full before departing, and can also wait for long periods in locations along the route if not enough people are on board. The vehicles are usually Toyota minibuses owned by a private individual who employs a driver and a conductor to operate and maintain the vehicle on a day-to-day basis.
The second form is the Express taxis which are minibuses of 18 seating offer like share taxis, but they depart on time and do not stop until they reach their destination, except to set people down; actually they operate between major towns, generally Kigali and a major regional centre. Express taxis are quite a recent phenomenon, but are gaining rapidly in popularity as they provide people the security of arriving at a known time.
⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 17:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Small vehicle used for multiple occupancy taxi journeys [1]
This is an incomplete (I will come back and work more on it later) chart of share taxi modes of operation throughout the world. Maybe this will help us to come to a definition for share taxi. I have omitted the fact that all of the below allow multiple passengers to share the ride. Fleetham ( talk) 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Country | Name | Runs fix route | Stops anywhere to disembark/board | Leaves when full/no timetables | Leaves from termini/stations | Vehicle type | ||
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Cambodia [1] | Share taxi | ? | ? | yes | ? | minibus, passenger car, pick-up | ||
Cameroon [2] | Share taxi, minibus taxi | yes | yes | yes | yes | Sedans, minibuses, pick-ups | ||
Indonesia [3] | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | |||
Israel [4] | sherut/service | yes | yes | yes | travels to set destinations | white vans, Mercedes or Peugeot sedans | ||
Kyrgyzstan [5] | share taxi | runs to set destinations | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
Libya [6] | micro | yes | yes | yes | yes | yes | minibus | |
Mauritius [7] | share taxi, taxi train | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
Myanmar [8] | share taxi | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
South Africa [9] | shared taxi | yes | ? | ? | ? | |||
Turkey | Dolmus | yes [10] | ? | yes [11] | ? | ? | ||
UK [12] [13] | Shared ride taxi | no | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
UK | taxibus | yes [13] [14] | ? | ? | yes [15] | ? | ||
West and Central Africa [16] | Bush taxi | yes | ? | yes | ? | van |
In response: While I would like every sentence cited, I understand and acknowledge that is not necessary. It is easier to read a page without multiple citations appending each sentence. I would like Mr. C. to do likewise and also agree that there is no reason not to cite a source for ach sentence. It's a personal preference. And as there is no official wikipedia policy disallowing it, could Mr. C. please just acquiesce on this point? It's an ok thing to do just as bundling citations and removing un-needed citations for increased readability is ok. Fleetham ( talk) 17:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Mexico is not in South America, so I changed that to Latin America. Guatemalan colectivos are virtually identical to Mexican ones, so I added Guatemala to that section. A rutelero is a driver of a taxi, not the taxi itself http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/ruletero. Also, this word is very uncommon. I have ridden hundreds of colectivos in Guatemala and have never once heard this word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werseuch ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
It has a source, but the source is wrong. Every dictionary (and Guatemalan) I have consulted disagrees with "ediplomat.com" whatever that is anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werseuch ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I notice that an edit by POL098 on 9 April 2011 was reverted by Fleetham without any reason given. I note that neither the original text nor suggested change had a reference. Can I suggest that where such text is reverted then as a minimum a reference is at found to support the original text and a justification is give in the submission comment field. I notice that the POL098 has since made a good number of changes and new references. He also appears to be a well-seasoned contributor to Wikipedia across a wide range of subjects. As such, I recommend that we give the contributor space to develop on the article without further reversions. I would recommend that we given 24-48 hours before any of the three regular recent contributors respond. I would also recommend that we discuss any proposed changes on this talk page first. PeterEastern ( talk) 13:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I reverted it because of misspellings and poor grammar. Fleetham ( talk) 14:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
In PRChina, share taxis like the ones in Hong Kong are numerous. They are called "breadloaf" or "miandi" taxis in both places. My Wikicode is not so strong that I can not safely do it, so do it if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QASIMARA ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
This section would be more helpful if the list was by country. The various names for a share taxi in different languages should be in the intro to the article. Have a look at the article Controlled-access highway to see how multiple names (Freeway, Motorway, Autostrada etc) are applied to what is a fairly similar concept. How do other people feel about this? Nankai ( talk) 07:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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These two articles, which deal both with the history of jitneys (the vehicle) and the etymology of the word jitney, should be cited.
Gold, David L. 2018-2019. “Pursuing the origin of the American English informalism gitney ~ jitney: On the alleged Louisiana French word *jetnée and the fallacy of omne ignotum pro magnifico in etymological research.” Leuvense Bijdragen: Leuven Contributions in Linguistics and Philology. Vol. 102-103. Pp. 383-417.
Gold, David L. 2021. “American English jitney '[any] American coin of low denomination' < gittany ~ jittany 'idem' < Louisiana French *jetonnet *'idem' = French jeton + diminutive suffix -et (A Study in English and French Etymology and Numismatics).” In: Literature is Comparative : Toute littérature est littérature comparée. Etudes de littérature et de linguistique offertes à Roy Rosenstein par ses collègues, ses disciples et ses amis. Textes recueillis par Danielle Buschinger, Martine Marzloff, Patricia Gillies et Marie-Geneviève Grossel. Amiens. Presses du Centre d'Etudes Médiévales de Picardie. Collection Médiévales no. 70. Pp. 232-243. S. Valkemirer ( talk) 16:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Duolingo Ukrainian language course translates маршрутка (marshrutka) as "share taxi." ( Wiktionary calls it a route/routed taxi, among other things.) I don't know whether Duolingo got the term from Wikipedia, or if "share taxi" is actually said by English speakers in Ukraine. Peter Chastain [¡hablá!] 05:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
The current one is from a depreciated source and only partially relevant to the topic at hand (in their own words Of course, a documentary about Fords is a documentary about the roadblocks and ultimately the occupation). Can the second source be fully used for the claims made by 99? FortunateSons ( talk) 17:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
When I was in Rwanda in 2008 I rode many hired vans/minibuses with my tour group that were called matatu, so the word exists beyond Kenya. Have they been supplanted by something else? 64.18.11.15 ( talk) 15:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Matatus are called mathrees because the swahili word for three is tatu. By simply replacing the Swahili "tatu" for the English "three", typical of sheng, the word changes from matatu to mathree.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.57.174 ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 19 January 2006
Use of the term Bush Taxi. The term "Bush Taxi" is not used in Nigeria. Where are the references to it being referred as such? I am Nigerian and other than wikipedia pages, and sites that reference wikipedia I can find no link between Bush Taxi and Nigeria. The article is a very slanted/weird POV. — Preceding
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Steverwanda did a great job creating a much needed general article from the many small articles that had been started on regional versions of share taxis. In order to keep the edit attribution clear, I have merged the histories from sherut, bush taxi and matatu here, for anyone who is looking at the history and thinks that they're seeing the biggest revert war ever. ;) Cheers, Banyan Tree 15:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the recent edits by user:Alanmak ( [1] [2] [3] [4]), I don't agree that, for the purpose of this article, the official designation of Hong Kong for international organisations and sport events, namely " Hong Kong, China", nor it's official full name with partial and unusual abbreviation, is relevant and necessary to be used here. See also user:Jiang's edit summary. The English word " country " is not always synonymous with sovereign state". — Insta ntnood 19:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd just like to say that the slow-motion edit war going on here is really silly. What is the problem with adding the word "territory" to the top of the chart? My own personal understanding of the word "country" in this sense is roughly synonymous with "nation", which Hong Kong is not. Why can't we add one word and be done with it? The edit war has nothing at all to do with share taxis. — BrianSmithson 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! You are off to a great start here, and this is indeed an important topic which has its full place in WP. For the time being the weaker links that need attention are:
As anyone who has ever used them, shared taxis are a great way to get around and more often than not tend to pop up in an environment where the planners and policy makers have failed to meet people’s legitimate demands. Is there a lot that’s wrong with these systems at their worst. You bet! But in virtually every case, there is something that can be done about it. And should be!
In an attempt to further strengthen this fine start, I am inviting colleagues from the New Mobility Agenda ‘idea factory’ at http://www.newmobility.org and the Sustran list at sustran-discuss@egroups.com which offers terrific coverage of transport in Asia to pitch in and help us complete this world inventory. As to how it fits in with public policy, we have recently set up an open forum at http://www.xtransit.org/ the members of which are also being invited to pitch in here as well. ericbritton 11:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Any opinions on this? I think it's a mixture a the moment, though a lot of the main blurb was written by Brian Smithson in the Bush taxi article so uses US English. The article covers the Jitney, a US vehicle, but also refers extensively to matatus, dala-dalas etc. which operate in former British colonies and hence use British English so it could go either way. Steverwanda 10:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this needs some change as it stands - the first paragraph in the 'along the route' subsection contains information about the pricing structure, luggage regulations and departure times, which aren't to do with what happens along the route. My idea was to try and separate information about what actually happens when the vehicle is loading and setting off from more general stuff such as its ownership and pricing. Would it be feasible to have two sections broadly along those lines?
Also, there is obviously a difference in systems between 'ticketing' buses and the sort we have here in Rwanda, where you just get on the bus without purchasing a ticket (even at the taxi park) and pay the conductor when you get off. Probably need to generalise the entry in 'Operation' and add more specific information in the Features in individual countries section. — Steverwanda 16:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
The country/state/region issue should soon qualify for Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever, so keep it up. -- Ezeu 19:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: " Please stop pushing your pro-separatist or pro-independence POV. " [8] - It's nonsense. Calling anywhere country is far from being separatists or independence advocators. Country ≠ sovereign state. Please justify the accusation, or else please stop. — Insta ntnood 20:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The following sounds really suspicious, and as it was unsourced information from an anonymous contributor, I've removed it for now:
Can anyone comment one way or the other on this information's validity? — BrianSmithson 13:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Definitely not true in July 2006 around Nairobi and Narok. As far as I know, the current text about regulation in January 2004 is accurate. Speaking of regulation, I also recall they're soon to stop issuing licenses to 15-passenger matatus in Nairobi due to congestion; only 25-passenger matatus and grandfathered 15-passenger ones will be allowed. - Slamb 20:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
In Estonia, shared taxis also exist (mainly in the capital, Tallinn, for urban transport) and they are locally (in Estonian) called "liinitakso" (official name) or "marsruuttakso" (old name but still widely used) or "marsa" (slang name). Unfortunately I do not have the skills nor the time to edit this page correctly to add Estonian information. It'd be nice if anyone who is more skilled than I am in editing Wikipedia could do that. Thanks, or sorry for probably posting in the wrong place.
"Share taxis are an important form of mobility (and job creation) in many parts of the world but are by and large poorly understood and not well integrated into the overall transportation projects of cities and regions."
What is meant by "are poorly understood"? That's not written properly, I suppose. Does it mean that they are poorly understood by scientists? users? authorities? First world citizens? I think they're a completely understandable service, especially where many people don't have a car, or money to buy fuel easily.. Also, the countries which rely on this service do have regulations (why is it said that it is harder to regulate this kind of service compared to a taxi? In most countries these vehicles are clearly marked, grouped by route / area of coverage, and must follow a special kind of regulation, even if they're private). Moreover, I don't understand why is it stated that share taxis must be old and polluting.. On the contrary, since they are used for a job, they must comply with extra specifications to the transit authorities, compared to any citizen's car (even if a country didn't have a specific law for private transport, which is unlikely, it must regulate that any service provided by a legally recognized company or individual be safe to clients). I don't know if it would be better or worse for the environment if every one of the 3 passengers plus driver on a share taxi drove a separate car (let's say it's not carrying the full load of 4 passengers, but also if it constantly carries two or less, then probably the taxi will be appointed to a different zone over time). Perhaps, since the share taxi spends part of its time driving with no passengers, there's no difference for everyone to travel in a different car. But I don't think that share taxi networks have to be especially 'old and polluting' when compared to other options. It may sound like I am defending this way of transport (I don't actually like having to share space with anyone), but I'm just trying to say that the article either exaggerates it's views or actually doesn't explain itself correctly. Share taxis have (depending on the region) some advantages too, and just being shared doesn't turn a taxi older, but it does make it cheaper. note: please pardon me if I made any mistakes in writing or perhaps seem to be speaking too 'aggresively'.. My english is far from perfect, and because of that, I struggle a bit with words trying to express myself 200.7.17.207 09:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC) user:guruclef
I agree with the above comments. My understanding is that in many parts of the world these services are completely unregulated and operated by owner/drivers and the vehicles may indeed be old and polluting and not be understood or respected by authorities or even be legal but that is not the central point, which is that they are shared and have more flexible operation than a bus. They are clearly very different culturally from a centrally organised and operated bus service. However, in the UK there is a strong policy interest in significant role that shared services such as these can perform and a number of authority-led services have been introduced, and recent legislation now allows taxi drivers to legally offer shared services. I will edit the introduction to make this cleared in the next few weeks unless people disagree User:PeterIto 03:27 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
Last year I added details of the Petit Taxi and Grand Taxi in Morocco to this page. Both of these were removed by someone saying that these were normally private. I have now checked my facts with a Moroccan and on the web for more evidence to backup my claim. Can I ask someone with a longer track record to add this information to the page.
Here are some references:
"The other option is to take a Grand Taxi. The entire taxi cost Dirham 480 to hire from Marrakech to Quarzazate. If you are willing to squeeze into the back of the taxi with three others, while having 2 sit in the front seat, it will cost 80 Dirham each. The taxi will only leave once it is full." http://www.cameltrekking.com/erg-chebbi-directions.html
"Around places like Merzouga and Rissani you don't always have to wait for a grand taxi to fill up with 6 people. Many times I would buy only 2 or 3 seats of the journey and the driver would agree to take me" http://www.lonelyplanet.com/letters/afr/mor_pc.htm
"To get to M'hamid, the last town before the desert begins, you have to get a shared taxi ("grand taxi) from Zagora, which costs 25 dirham per passenger.
It may take quite some time for a shared taxi to fill up with 6 passengers. If you're in a hurry, pay 150 dirham for all seats, and maybe an extra 50 to pursuade the driver to leave immediately." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/to-zagora.htm
"You can also flag down a taxi anywhere along the road. If there's any space, the driver will stop and take you in. When it's full, the driver will wave at you apologizingly." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/travel-around-taxi.htm
"It's common for a petit taxi to pick up another passenger along the road when there is a free seat. The driver will stop to check where the new passenger is going. He'll only take him or her in if their destination is on your route or involves only a small detour. The new passenger will pay part of the fare, of course." http://www.triotours.com/faq/ma/travel-around-taxi.htm
Note that I have included text from other websites, but only to validate the claim (and only on this discussion page). When this issue has been resolved this note can be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PeterIto ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Document seems to be locked, on chart on right in Puerto Rico please add "Carros Públicos" thanks – Moebiusuibeom 19:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't get the dolmuş - minibus differentiation. It's said in the article that dolmuşes are more comfortable, expensive and rare, opposed to the cheaper and abundant "minibus"es. This sounds like the writer confused dolmuşes with ordinary taxicabs, or at least with the so-called taksi-dolmuş (a regular 5-7 seater passenger car working with the same "departs when full" principle), which had its day in the 70s and 80s but is almost inexistent today (Bursa is the only example i know having taksi-dolmuşes) 88.232.177.54 16:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
"The first U.S. jitneys ran in Los Angeles, California in 1914. By 1915, there were 62,000 nationwide. Local regulations, demanded by streetcar companies, killed the jitney in most places. By the end of 1916, only 6,000 jitneys remained"
So this article is telling me that there was the first jitney in 1914, 62,000 BY 1915, and 6,000 at the end of 1916. I don't think this is even remotely true. Christopher Reuter 20:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what that is doing in the list. Although you can ride on a School Bus in the boonies (not sure if that was legal even there and then, but no one made a fuss) and some places have special regulations for seniors and people with disabilities, I don't think it's appropriate to list it in this context. As far as I know most places have regulations that school bus operators may NOT take anyone but schoolkids. Otherwise I think there would be a huge mess with insurance. Tourists looking for a shared ride are certainly not well advised to go asking for a School Bus. If there are other interpretations s.o. should write a paragraph on it, otherwise I'd vote for taking it out of the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.51.15.15 ( talk) 04:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the School Bus does not seem to belong here as it is not generally available to the public. Could someone from the US remove it or justify its inclusion! User:PeterIto 03:14 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
From my reading of the article paratransit, it is a sort of Share Taxi and should be included in the name list for the US. Can someone who knows the US better please comment and add it if appropriate? User:PeterIto 03:27 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
Texxi is the brand name for shared taxi service offer by a UK company. The service is neat, but is not well known within the UK and is certainly not ubiqitous and feels out of place. Possibly a general section on the use of IT to support Share Taxi may be appropriate within the article. I will modify the entry in a few weeks unless people argue for retaining it here and add a section about Information Technology modern role. User:PeterIto 03:49 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
I have now generalised the Texxi article and just linked to them at the end PeterIto ( talk) 23:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
To my mind the central aspects of a Share Taxi is that it is a system where members of the public who do not know each other can share a chauffered vehicle simultaneously and where the vehicle is not required to follow a fixed route to a fixed schedule. I understand that some Share Taxis run on fixed routes but not to fixed timetables, some run 'semi-fixed' routes and some run constrained routing and timetabling. Unless people disagree I will update the initial paragraph to reflect this in a few weeks. User:PeterIto 03:49 29th Oct 2007 (UTC)
WP: Neologism reads:
I think you have to prove that share taxi is the most commonly used phrase for this mode of transport - it's NOT just the one wikipedia editors have agreed to use (way back when) for some arbitrary reason, which would be WP:original research. I also have a problem with the possibility that other longer articles have been merged into here, as someone wants "public light bus" to be. Were Jitney, Jeepney and other longer articles deleted into this smaller article? This mode of transport is gaining more and more attention - and is being opposed by special interests. So let's make sure we are using the BEST wikipolicies in putting an article together on this topic. Carol Moore 15:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC) Carolmooredc {talk}
Is this article about Public Light Buses in Hong Kong, or Public Light Buses in general? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.38.181 ( talk) 08:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Are dollar van distinct from share taxis? If so, should those two articles be merged? Nightscream ( talk) 23:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I have added a link to "Dollar Van" as a Main Article under "U.S. and Canada." Maybe that's all that needs to be done?
oppose merger: Dollar van does not need to offer a worldwide view because it is about this type of vehicle in USA. It would enlarge Share taxi to much to merge the articles. Maybe Dollar van shoulkd be called share taxis in USA or similar. Nankai ( talk) 20:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The article on Barbados offers ZRs as a share taxi... -- Smilo Don ( talk) 08:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Along the route: "Usually the vehicle continues along its route even if it is not always full, although prevarication and long delays are common".
I believe that the word needed here is 'procrastination' ( [16]) not 'prevarication' ( [17]) Pendant ( talk) 10:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
On the chart at the top it mentions "Combi" but I have most often heard them referred to as "Trufi" (pronounce true-fee) Combi describes the general van type vehicle.
(logged in and removed my IP... sorry.) Titanium geek ( talk) 12:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Many of the vehicles for hire described in the "Traditional systems around the world" section may be better placed on their own pages, as they appear to simply be informal means of public transportation and so not conforming to the share taxi definition. These sections include: bush taxi, Share taxi#Daladala (Tanzania), etc.
All informal means of public transportation aren't share taxis: a share taxi is a vehicle for hire with a specific and unique mode of operation. It is informal, leaves when full instead of using a timetable, plys a route, may stop anywhere along that route and/or have a fixed terminus, and usually isn't operated by a government agency.
Fleetham ( talk) 15:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I've been adding citations to the page and many have been from blogs. This may be in contravention of WP:Citing sources. Fleetham ( talk) 08:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Why did you remove all the pictures from this and other articles? This comes very near vandalism in my eyes. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 20:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
In Turkey[15] and Turkish controlled, Northern Cyprus[16] dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush"[17]) are share taxis that run on set routes within[17][18] and between cities.[17]
I don't appreciate Mr. Coppers removing many refs. Let's NOT do this. You may have a LEGIT. COMPLAINT, but let's solve this though TALKING, not REMOVING ALL THE REFS. Fleetham ( talk) 18:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have reworked the Dolmus section into a format that greatly reduces the number of references (from 15 to 3). Does anyone object to that wording and the citations? PeterEastern ( talk) 19:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am including a copy of both versions of the Dolmus section here for further discussion. The first is your preferred version, the second is the one I created which you then reverted. What exactly is your objection to this 2nd version which I consider to be clearer, to be better structured and which manages with fewer citations? Note that I have made some minor changes to this 2nd version to correct a typo and reorder some content. PeterEastern ( talk) 18:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
24 Feb version
A dolmuş (pronounced DOLL-moosh) is a privately owned vehicle, normally with a capacity of 14 passengers, that runs on set routes within cities. It also runs to and from outlying towns and villages.
Dolmuşes mostly work on a fixed fee system: whatever the distance, passengers pay a set amount for the route, although there can be different prices for different distance groups in larger cities' dolmuşes. Cities have dedicated dolmuş stops as for buses, but on quieter routes a dolmuş may be hailed at any point on the route.
Dolmuş means "full" or "stuffed", as they depart not on fixed schedules but when sufficient passengers have boarded. Sometimes during off-peak periods, it is common for passenger(s) to pay the fare for the empty seat(s) for the dolmuş to depart without "filling up", if they do not want to wait for the entire car to fill up. It is customary for the passengers to cooperate in passing fares forward to the driver and passing change back.
There are actually two different share taxi systems in Turkey, and dolmuş is one of them, which is rapidly becoming a common name for both systems. In the traditional manner the dolmuşes are somehow vans providing a relatively comfortable transportation. Dolmuşes are yellow vans commuting 7-8 people at a time. They are also one of the more expensive mass transport alternatives. Minibuses however, have a capacity for 14 - 20 people. The picture on the right hand side shows a typical minibus. They are much cheaper and much easier to get access, because the streets are full of them.
Since rapid transit in Turkish cities is still being developed, a dolmuş is often the only alternative. Minibus drivers have a reputation for being aggressive, fearless and rude. Dolmuş drivers, in contrary, tend to know the local commuters in the smaller neighborhoods that they serve and are rather courteous. A dolmuş ride is also considered the only reliable form of rapid transit in Istanbul, for being the only form of mass transit running almost 24 hours a day.
Current version - 11 March
In Turkey and Turkish controlled, Northern Cyprus dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush" [1]) are share taxis that run on set routes within [1] [2] and between [1] cities. Each of these cars or minibuses displays their particular route on signboards behind the windscreen. [1]
Some cities may only allow dolmuş to pick-up and disembark passengers at designated stops, and terminals also exist. [1] The word derives from Turkish for "full" or "stuffed", [3] as these share taxis depart from the terminal only when a sufficient amount of passengers have boarded. [1]
Westerners may be surprised by the speed of dolmuş travel. [4]
These share taxis are also found in Turkish-controlled, Northern Cyprus under the same name. [3] Traveling intra and inter-city, [3] the privately owned minibuses or aging Mercedes stretch limos are overseen by a governance institution; routes are leased and vehicles, licensed. [3] Passengers board anywhere along the route (you may have to get the driver to stop if he doesn't honk at you) as well as at termini and official stations. [3] Dolmuş in Turkish-controlled, Northern Cyprus display their routes but don't follow timetables. [3] Instead, they simply appear frequently. [3]
Text proposed by PeterEastern based on rework of current text
In Turkey and Turkish controlled Northern Cyprus share taxis, known as dolmuş (pronounced "dolmush") run frequently along set routes within and between cities. The vehicles, ranging from brand new minibuses [5] to aging Mercedes stretch limos display their route on signboards behind the windscreen but do not operate to fixed timetables. In some cities a dolmuş is only allowed to stop at designated stops or at terminals; in less busy locations passengers may board anywhere along the route. Share taxis depart from the terminal only when a sufficient amount of passengers have boarded and the name Dolmus is derived from Turkish for "full" or "stuffed" for that reason. [1]
The system is regulated both in Cyprus and in Turkey with the privately owned vehicles requiring a license and the routes being leased. [3] [5] A dolmuş ride was described by one Westerner as being 'terrifying, awe-inspiring, confusing, incomprehensible, charming, hospitable and alien.' [4]
References for all the quotes above
- ^ a b c d e f g Turkish Dolmus Taxi or Minibus turkeytravelplanner.com Cite error: The named reference "tplan" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ WHAT'S DOING IN ANKARA nytimes.com, April 5, 1981
- ^ a b c d e f g h Bus Services in North Cyprus essentialcyprus.com, January 28, 2009 Cite error: The named reference "Cypriot" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ a b Dolmuş story hurriyetdailynews.com, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 Cite error: The named reference "turk" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ a b "Getting Around in Fethiye - The Dolmus".
Can I suggest that we keep this section for and further specific comments on the Dolmus section. I realise that I opened a wider discussion about how to resolve the more general concern about the recent editing to the article and there may also be issues with other articles. I am about to create a new section on this page to discuss our concerns about Fleetham's editing of this article and how we get to a resolution. PeterEastern ( talk) 09:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Fleetham has made over 250 edits to this single article in the last 3 weeks (between 24 Feb 2011 and 12 March 2011). These edits have raised concerns from two other contributors in particular ( PeterEastern and ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ). The scope and speed of these edits makes it impossible to see what is being changed and why - see earlier discussions on this page - and contributions from other people during this period have generally been reverted. Much good new content may be being added, however in places the resulting article is considered to the less good, see Dolmus discussion above. More seriously, this approach excludes other contributors which is demotivating for others who have worked on the article.
I am proposing the following process to resolve the issue.
Please can people say if they agree with this plan (a simple 'I agree' / 'i don't agree' is sufficient at this stage).
- PeterEastern ( talk) 09:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that we now do a quick review of the changes for better and worse between 24 Feb and 14 March version. Given that Fleetham is completely happy with the 14 March version can I ask him to let Mr Choppers and myself take the lead on this and that in each case Fleetham can respond with his view. It will probably not be productive however to have a long discussion on each point. PeterEastern ( talk) 23:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Here is what I mean. The definition of "Share taxi" for a UITP working paper (page 6) is the following, which is pretty vague and also allows for further interpretations:
Shared taxis - The shared taxis category considered here refers to all vehicles with a seating capacity of 5 people travelling together, not necessarily with each other or to the same destination. Minibuses, known as ‘shared taxis’ in some locations, were not included in this category. Besides, taking account of the disparities in the terminology and in the level of acceptance of these ’shared taxis’ by the local public authorities of the cities, all kinds of shared taxis were included in this category regardless of their official or unofficial recognition or whether they are licensed or not.
Fleetham, above, stated that a share taxi is:
a share taxi is a vehicle for hire with a specific and unique mode of operation. It is informal, leaves when full instead of using a timetable, plys a route, may stop anywhere along that route and/or have a fixed terminus, and usually isn't operated by a government agency.
This is Fleetham's own interpretation of the meaning of "share taxi", and as such should not be used to determine what needs referencing or not. As an example, the definition of "Share taxi" in the Rwandan context (again UITP, pp. 50-51) is as follows, even allowing for vehicles leaving on a timetable:
Share taxis - The share taxis come in two forms: The main form of public transport within Rwanda is the share taxi, known locally simply as taxi or colloquially “twegerane” (let us sit together) which are 14-20 seat minibuses estimated at 2000. They run between two termini (known as taxi parks), but stop frequently along the route to pick up and set down passengers. They almost always wait until full before departing, and can also wait for long periods in locations along the route if not enough people are on board. The vehicles are usually Toyota minibuses owned by a private individual who employs a driver and a conductor to operate and maintain the vehicle on a day-to-day basis.
The second form is the Express taxis which are minibuses of 18 seating offer like share taxis, but they depart on time and do not stop until they reach their destination, except to set people down; actually they operate between major towns, generally Kigali and a major regional centre. Express taxis are quite a recent phenomenon, but are gaining rapidly in popularity as they provide people the security of arriving at a known time.
⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 17:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Small vehicle used for multiple occupancy taxi journeys [1]
This is an incomplete (I will come back and work more on it later) chart of share taxi modes of operation throughout the world. Maybe this will help us to come to a definition for share taxi. I have omitted the fact that all of the below allow multiple passengers to share the ride. Fleetham ( talk) 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Country | Name | Runs fix route | Stops anywhere to disembark/board | Leaves when full/no timetables | Leaves from termini/stations | Vehicle type | ||
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Cambodia [1] | Share taxi | ? | ? | yes | ? | minibus, passenger car, pick-up | ||
Cameroon [2] | Share taxi, minibus taxi | yes | yes | yes | yes | Sedans, minibuses, pick-ups | ||
Indonesia [3] | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | |||
Israel [4] | sherut/service | yes | yes | yes | travels to set destinations | white vans, Mercedes or Peugeot sedans | ||
Kyrgyzstan [5] | share taxi | runs to set destinations | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
Libya [6] | micro | yes | yes | yes | yes | yes | minibus | |
Mauritius [7] | share taxi, taxi train | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
Myanmar [8] | share taxi | ? | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
South Africa [9] | shared taxi | yes | ? | ? | ? | |||
Turkey | Dolmus | yes [10] | ? | yes [11] | ? | ? | ||
UK [12] [13] | Shared ride taxi | no | ? | ? | yes | ? | ||
UK | taxibus | yes [13] [14] | ? | ? | yes [15] | ? | ||
West and Central Africa [16] | Bush taxi | yes | ? | yes | ? | van |
In response: While I would like every sentence cited, I understand and acknowledge that is not necessary. It is easier to read a page without multiple citations appending each sentence. I would like Mr. C. to do likewise and also agree that there is no reason not to cite a source for ach sentence. It's a personal preference. And as there is no official wikipedia policy disallowing it, could Mr. C. please just acquiesce on this point? It's an ok thing to do just as bundling citations and removing un-needed citations for increased readability is ok. Fleetham ( talk) 17:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Mexico is not in South America, so I changed that to Latin America. Guatemalan colectivos are virtually identical to Mexican ones, so I added Guatemala to that section. A rutelero is a driver of a taxi, not the taxi itself http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/ruletero. Also, this word is very uncommon. I have ridden hundreds of colectivos in Guatemala and have never once heard this word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werseuch ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
It has a source, but the source is wrong. Every dictionary (and Guatemalan) I have consulted disagrees with "ediplomat.com" whatever that is anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werseuch ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I notice that an edit by POL098 on 9 April 2011 was reverted by Fleetham without any reason given. I note that neither the original text nor suggested change had a reference. Can I suggest that where such text is reverted then as a minimum a reference is at found to support the original text and a justification is give in the submission comment field. I notice that the POL098 has since made a good number of changes and new references. He also appears to be a well-seasoned contributor to Wikipedia across a wide range of subjects. As such, I recommend that we give the contributor space to develop on the article without further reversions. I would recommend that we given 24-48 hours before any of the three regular recent contributors respond. I would also recommend that we discuss any proposed changes on this talk page first. PeterEastern ( talk) 13:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I reverted it because of misspellings and poor grammar. Fleetham ( talk) 14:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
In PRChina, share taxis like the ones in Hong Kong are numerous. They are called "breadloaf" or "miandi" taxis in both places. My Wikicode is not so strong that I can not safely do it, so do it if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QASIMARA ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
This section would be more helpful if the list was by country. The various names for a share taxi in different languages should be in the intro to the article. Have a look at the article Controlled-access highway to see how multiple names (Freeway, Motorway, Autostrada etc) are applied to what is a fairly similar concept. How do other people feel about this? Nankai ( talk) 07:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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These two articles, which deal both with the history of jitneys (the vehicle) and the etymology of the word jitney, should be cited.
Gold, David L. 2018-2019. “Pursuing the origin of the American English informalism gitney ~ jitney: On the alleged Louisiana French word *jetnée and the fallacy of omne ignotum pro magnifico in etymological research.” Leuvense Bijdragen: Leuven Contributions in Linguistics and Philology. Vol. 102-103. Pp. 383-417.
Gold, David L. 2021. “American English jitney '[any] American coin of low denomination' < gittany ~ jittany 'idem' < Louisiana French *jetonnet *'idem' = French jeton + diminutive suffix -et (A Study in English and French Etymology and Numismatics).” In: Literature is Comparative : Toute littérature est littérature comparée. Etudes de littérature et de linguistique offertes à Roy Rosenstein par ses collègues, ses disciples et ses amis. Textes recueillis par Danielle Buschinger, Martine Marzloff, Patricia Gillies et Marie-Geneviève Grossel. Amiens. Presses du Centre d'Etudes Médiévales de Picardie. Collection Médiévales no. 70. Pp. 232-243. S. Valkemirer ( talk) 16:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Duolingo Ukrainian language course translates маршрутка (marshrutka) as "share taxi." ( Wiktionary calls it a route/routed taxi, among other things.) I don't know whether Duolingo got the term from Wikipedia, or if "share taxi" is actually said by English speakers in Ukraine. Peter Chastain [¡hablá!] 05:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
The current one is from a depreciated source and only partially relevant to the topic at hand (in their own words Of course, a documentary about Fords is a documentary about the roadblocks and ultimately the occupation). Can the second source be fully used for the claims made by 99? FortunateSons ( talk) 17:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
When I was in Rwanda in 2008 I rode many hired vans/minibuses with my tour group that were called matatu, so the word exists beyond Kenya. Have they been supplanted by something else? 64.18.11.15 ( talk) 15:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)