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In my opinion this is an extremely informative article. What do others think? Please comment on this page as iam extremely interested to hear what others have to say.
I would like to suggest that this article's Importance rating should be High. It is recognized as one of the top Shakespeare companies in the World. It has been invited to perform the The Oedipus Plays at the 2003 Athens Festival in Greece and Love's Labor's Lost at the RSC's Stratford on Avon facility (England). If this company does not rate a High importance, what company would?
Ecragg ( talk) 23:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Additionaly The Shakespeare Theatre Company was the host for the National Theatre of Great Britain’s production of Phèdre featuring Helen Mirren Ecragg ( talk) 17:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I would like to move the page Shakespeare Theatre Company to Shakespeare Theatre Company (Washington, D.C.)
The reasons are 1) there are many Shakespeare related theatres and Companies in the world and the Washington one should be distingquished from others 2) The new name would conform to the naming convention of the other theater pages associated with Washington DC region such as:
Comments please
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Ecragg ( talk) 02:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Shakespeare Theatre Company → Shakespeare Theatre Company (Washington, D.C.) —
The reasons are:
1) there are many Shakespeare related theatres and Companies in the world and the Washington one should be distinguished from others
2) The new name would conform to the naming convention of the other theater pages associated with Washington DC region such as:
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Ecragg ( talk) 22:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hatnote to disambiguation page has been added
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Ecragg ( talk) 17:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Listing critics' newspaper accolades seems inappropriate for an awards section. Generally, those are included in material about reception, or critics, etc. Also, the Wall Street Journal quote should be sourced to it, with the year indicated for the quote, or not used if you can't identify when it occurred. Parkwells ( talk) 17:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I have rolled back the history deletion for a second time.
In 1990+ news reports and articles, the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger / Shakespeare Theatre Company claimed the pre Michael Kahn days as part of their history.
see:
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Ecragg ( talk) 01:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
None of the articles you quote demonstrate that the Shakespeare Theatre Company claimed the history of the Folger Shakespeare Library as a part of their history. The journal referenced shows only a confused writer.
The Folger decided to shut down their theatre company in 1985 and it was dissolved. Shakespeare Theatre Company was incorporated as a separate organization. How can you claim that an organization incorporated in 1985 has a history that precedes its beginning? None of the artistic directors you purport were ever employed by or paid by the Shakespeare Theatre Company. They were employees of the Folger Shakespeare Library.
The whole purpose of Wikipedia is crowd sourcing to ensure the most correct information. This is not your private repository of information - it is improper of you to consistently undo when others correct your mistakes.
Your rollback to your own version also shows an extreme disregard for the time spent and 18 changes made to correct grammar, formatting and citations.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 23:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Ecragg ( talk) 00:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Because it's the history of ANOTHER ORGANIZATION!!! Put it on the Folger Shakespeare Library page where it belongs. Go to STC's website and read the history there. Go to their gift shop and read the book that was published about them recently for their 25th anniversary. Otherwise, why don't you call Michael Kahn and ask him yourself? ANd when you do, you should let him know that you have appointed and hired yourself as the organization's historian.
So which of the Folger Theatre artistic directors are you related to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 00:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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Ecragg ( talk) 00:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
You still have no explanation why you continue to remove correct information based on direct sourced citations to substitute wrong information based on your memory and opinion. Find a "20th anniversary" citation online. What you will find is "25th anniversary" citations from 2011. Find a mention on Folger or STC's website that links the two organization. Opinions and memories are not valid wiki sources. I have done my homework and provided citations. Respect that and leave it as is or provide your own citations. This is not about your ego - this is about truth.
MFrederick106 ( talk) 00:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk)
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Ecragg ( talk) 01:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
YOU PROVE MY POINT!!! Your article talks about the 15 years since the Folger Shakespeare Library withdrew its support of the theatre. Why don't you look at http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/shakespeare-theatre-company-fetes-michael-kahn-in-25th-anniversary-season/2011/02/09/ABYfluQ_story.html which references 25 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 01:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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Ecragg ( talk) 01:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Your own New York Times citation, which I have retained, states that Michael Kahn's first year as artistic director was the 18th season for the theatre.
ed Ecragg ( talk) 12:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Are you looking in a mirror, because this headline should be directed at yourself, idiot. The New York Time article states that The Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger, now Shakespeare Theatre Company, was incorporated in 1986. From that time to today it has been a separate organization. Anything that happened before that has nothing to do with this organization. If you want to document the history of the FSL and its own operations, put it on its page or create a page for the Folger Theatre.
Please give up your Quixiotian quest to turn your misguided opinions into fact. Why don't you call the STC's PR department and ask them for information? 202-547-3230.
And why do you persist in wiping Robert Linowes name out of this article? There can be no dispute, as seen in all of these citations, that he led the effort to save the theatre and was the founding chairman of STC. Do you have something person against him? Is that why you are trying to obfuscate facts? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.241.238.153 (
talk)
16:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
1) I did not restore the Tony comment in the introductory paragraph due to the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy. To refer to it as "tony award winning company" has marketeering overtones. The award is listed as a neutral fact later in the article.
2) Due to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest an organization's PR (or marketing) department is the least desirable source. Even using the organization's website for citations is less desirable than using neutral third party citations.
3) The current Folger Theater is unrelated to the original Folger Theatre Group as there was a several year period during which the Folger Library brought in the touring company of the American Shakespeare Center (then known as Shenandoah Shakespeare Express). Only after that did they start producing their own shows with different actors, different subscribers and a different artistic director. I agree that the new Folger Theatre is deserving of a separate article in Wikipedia. I just don't have the time to write it.
4) May I request you abide by Wikipedia:Civility
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Ecragg ( talk) 04:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I just don't have the time or energy to fight with an old, pretentious (thinks-he)-know-it-all asshole like you. I'll just wait for you to die and then correct the information.
Quite frankly, I'd like to meet you. It would be an honor to spend time with someone who thinks himself smarter than The Washington Post, The New York Times, Michael Kahn and most of the rest of the civilized world combined. You should publish an article about what makes you so much smarter and better than everyone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.238.153 ( talk) 02:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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Ecragg ( talk) 14:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I am clearly not the only subscriber who dates back to the pre Michael Kahn days. See "Shakespeare is his wingman" in the 14 November Style section of the Washington Post. [1]
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Ecragg ( talk) 06:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
In the Washington Post story of his retirement, it is stated that "Kahn arrived in Washington in 1986 after tenures with the American Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford, Conn., and the McCarter Theatre in Princeton, N.J. The troupe then known as Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger was on the ropes, but under Kahn’s entrepreneurial hand the company swiftly raised the artistic bar and brightened the marquee with such luminaries as Kelly McGillis (an early mainstay) and Patrick Stewart (a race-reversed Othello)". [2] The online story also references a 1986 story on Michael Kahn's arrival that explicitly states: "Kahn ... ss the newly appointed artistic director of the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger (the fourth in the company's history) ..." It is clear that despite what some may claim now (30+ years later), the Shakespeare Theatre Company history includes the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger [3]
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Ecragg ( talk) 23:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
In a letter to subscribers announcing the 2018-2019 season Michael Kahn stated "It has been quite a journey since I took over as Artistic Director in 1986. Take over, not start; You only take over an existing company.
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Ecragg ( talk) 18:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
In the "Farewell to Michael Kahn event on 16 June 2019 his first Managing director made some comments alluding to his joining an existing theatrical company, not starting a new one. Further her resume lists her as "Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger, 1980-1990" - s single job. [4]
Ecragg ( talk) 23:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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In my opinion this is an extremely informative article. What do others think? Please comment on this page as iam extremely interested to hear what others have to say.
I would like to suggest that this article's Importance rating should be High. It is recognized as one of the top Shakespeare companies in the World. It has been invited to perform the The Oedipus Plays at the 2003 Athens Festival in Greece and Love's Labor's Lost at the RSC's Stratford on Avon facility (England). If this company does not rate a High importance, what company would?
Ecragg ( talk) 23:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Additionaly The Shakespeare Theatre Company was the host for the National Theatre of Great Britain’s production of Phèdre featuring Helen Mirren Ecragg ( talk) 17:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I would like to move the page Shakespeare Theatre Company to Shakespeare Theatre Company (Washington, D.C.)
The reasons are 1) there are many Shakespeare related theatres and Companies in the world and the Washington one should be distingquished from others 2) The new name would conform to the naming convention of the other theater pages associated with Washington DC region such as:
Comments please
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 02:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Shakespeare Theatre Company → Shakespeare Theatre Company (Washington, D.C.) —
The reasons are:
1) there are many Shakespeare related theatres and Companies in the world and the Washington one should be distinguished from others
2) The new name would conform to the naming convention of the other theater pages associated with Washington DC region such as:
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 22:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hatnote to disambiguation page has been added
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 17:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Listing critics' newspaper accolades seems inappropriate for an awards section. Generally, those are included in material about reception, or critics, etc. Also, the Wall Street Journal quote should be sourced to it, with the year indicated for the quote, or not used if you can't identify when it occurred. Parkwells ( talk) 17:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I have rolled back the history deletion for a second time.
In 1990+ news reports and articles, the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger / Shakespeare Theatre Company claimed the pre Michael Kahn days as part of their history.
see:
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 01:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
None of the articles you quote demonstrate that the Shakespeare Theatre Company claimed the history of the Folger Shakespeare Library as a part of their history. The journal referenced shows only a confused writer.
The Folger decided to shut down their theatre company in 1985 and it was dissolved. Shakespeare Theatre Company was incorporated as a separate organization. How can you claim that an organization incorporated in 1985 has a history that precedes its beginning? None of the artistic directors you purport were ever employed by or paid by the Shakespeare Theatre Company. They were employees of the Folger Shakespeare Library.
The whole purpose of Wikipedia is crowd sourcing to ensure the most correct information. This is not your private repository of information - it is improper of you to consistently undo when others correct your mistakes.
Your rollback to your own version also shows an extreme disregard for the time spent and 18 changes made to correct grammar, formatting and citations.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 23:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 00:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Because it's the history of ANOTHER ORGANIZATION!!! Put it on the Folger Shakespeare Library page where it belongs. Go to STC's website and read the history there. Go to their gift shop and read the book that was published about them recently for their 25th anniversary. Otherwise, why don't you call Michael Kahn and ask him yourself? ANd when you do, you should let him know that you have appointed and hired yourself as the organization's historian.
So which of the Folger Theatre artistic directors are you related to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 00:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 00:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
You still have no explanation why you continue to remove correct information based on direct sourced citations to substitute wrong information based on your memory and opinion. Find a "20th anniversary" citation online. What you will find is "25th anniversary" citations from 2011. Find a mention on Folger or STC's website that links the two organization. Opinions and memories are not valid wiki sources. I have done my homework and provided citations. Respect that and leave it as is or provide your own citations. This is not about your ego - this is about truth.
MFrederick106 ( talk) 00:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk)
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 01:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
YOU PROVE MY POINT!!! Your article talks about the 15 years since the Folger Shakespeare Library withdrew its support of the theatre. Why don't you look at http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/shakespeare-theatre-company-fetes-michael-kahn-in-25th-anniversary-season/2011/02/09/ABYfluQ_story.html which references 25 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.155.29 ( talk) 01:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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Ecragg ( talk) 01:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Your own New York Times citation, which I have retained, states that Michael Kahn's first year as artistic director was the 18th season for the theatre.
ed Ecragg ( talk) 12:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Are you looking in a mirror, because this headline should be directed at yourself, idiot. The New York Time article states that The Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger, now Shakespeare Theatre Company, was incorporated in 1986. From that time to today it has been a separate organization. Anything that happened before that has nothing to do with this organization. If you want to document the history of the FSL and its own operations, put it on its page or create a page for the Folger Theatre.
Please give up your Quixiotian quest to turn your misguided opinions into fact. Why don't you call the STC's PR department and ask them for information? 202-547-3230.
And why do you persist in wiping Robert Linowes name out of this article? There can be no dispute, as seen in all of these citations, that he led the effort to save the theatre and was the founding chairman of STC. Do you have something person against him? Is that why you are trying to obfuscate facts? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.241.238.153 (
talk)
16:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
1) I did not restore the Tony comment in the introductory paragraph due to the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy. To refer to it as "tony award winning company" has marketeering overtones. The award is listed as a neutral fact later in the article.
2) Due to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest an organization's PR (or marketing) department is the least desirable source. Even using the organization's website for citations is less desirable than using neutral third party citations.
3) The current Folger Theater is unrelated to the original Folger Theatre Group as there was a several year period during which the Folger Library brought in the touring company of the American Shakespeare Center (then known as Shenandoah Shakespeare Express). Only after that did they start producing their own shows with different actors, different subscribers and a different artistic director. I agree that the new Folger Theatre is deserving of a separate article in Wikipedia. I just don't have the time to write it.
4) May I request you abide by Wikipedia:Civility
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 04:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I just don't have the time or energy to fight with an old, pretentious (thinks-he)-know-it-all asshole like you. I'll just wait for you to die and then correct the information.
Quite frankly, I'd like to meet you. It would be an honor to spend time with someone who thinks himself smarter than The Washington Post, The New York Times, Michael Kahn and most of the rest of the civilized world combined. You should publish an article about what makes you so much smarter and better than everyone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.238.153 ( talk) 02:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 14:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I am clearly not the only subscriber who dates back to the pre Michael Kahn days. See "Shakespeare is his wingman" in the 14 November Style section of the Washington Post. [1]
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 06:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
In the Washington Post story of his retirement, it is stated that "Kahn arrived in Washington in 1986 after tenures with the American Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford, Conn., and the McCarter Theatre in Princeton, N.J. The troupe then known as Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger was on the ropes, but under Kahn’s entrepreneurial hand the company swiftly raised the artistic bar and brightened the marquee with such luminaries as Kelly McGillis (an early mainstay) and Patrick Stewart (a race-reversed Othello)". [2] The online story also references a 1986 story on Michael Kahn's arrival that explicitly states: "Kahn ... ss the newly appointed artistic director of the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger (the fourth in the company's history) ..." It is clear that despite what some may claim now (30+ years later), the Shakespeare Theatre Company history includes the Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger [3]
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 23:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
In a letter to subscribers announcing the 2018-2019 season Michael Kahn stated "It has been quite a journey since I took over as Artistic Director in 1986. Take over, not start; You only take over an existing company.
ed
Ecragg ( talk) 18:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
In the "Farewell to Michael Kahn event on 16 June 2019 his first Managing director made some comments alluding to his joining an existing theatrical company, not starting a new one. Further her resume lists her as "Shakespeare Theatre at the Folger, 1980-1990" - s single job. [4]
Ecragg ( talk) 23:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
References