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Hello Munfarid, I noticed that you edited the Shaiqiya page and replaced every single "tribe" with "ethnic group". I know that "tribe" isn't well liked among many africanists, but I am fairly certain that the Shaiqiya are not to be defined as an ethnic group like "Arab" or "Nubian", but indeed as a tribe in the Arabic sense, the qabaliyya. By that definition, they are a branch of the larger Ja'alin tribe, the largest of the sedentary Sudanese "Arab" tribes. Let me know what you think. LeGabrie (talk) 13:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I am aware of the fact that both "tribe" and "ethnic group" are not always defined in a clear-cut way in social anthropology. Also, I know about the Sudanese usually referring to their ethnic or tribal background as qabaliyya, but this way of thinking is also being refused by modern Sudanese, who see themselves more as citizens of a modern society, and would like to leave tribal stereotypes behind. The question you ask, is of course, which of the two terms is correct and in line with other WP articles, and I must confess that other than the reasons mentioned above, I am not sure, if there is a clear-cut answer. Let me know what you think, Munfarid1 (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
To the many, many IPs which have tried to change this over the years, including the most recent ones: No, just because a source puts "Arab" next to the name of an ethnic group does not automatically prove that this ethnic group is only Arab. Researchers who actually studied this topic in depth, already referenced in the article, explain this quite well: These groups were Arabised, and they consider themselves Arab (resulting in some sources calling them "Arab"), but they are ethnically not Arabs. Applodion ( talk) 12:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
الشوايقة قبيلة عربية في الاساس اختلطت مع القبائل النوبية و٧٧ناك بعض المصادر تقول ان قبيلة الشايقية و الجعليين هم من نفس العائلة 41.95.15.78 ( talk) 09:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
@ LeGabrie the photo you have used is not a Shaigiya couple this is a Nubian couple in el Kurru and it is incorrect and misleading to claim they are a Shaigi couple. The original photo file says couple in El Kurru in the Sudanese part of Nubia, this doesn't specifically say a Shaigi couple. The caption of the file extracted that you have used has also been extracted from 3 other files in which they say that this is a Nubian couple in El Kurru.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nubisches_Paar_im_Sudan.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nubisches_Paar_im_Sudan.jpg#mw-jump-to-license https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubialaiset https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubiani Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 17:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello Munfarid, I noticed that you edited the Shaiqiya page and replaced every single "tribe" with "ethnic group". I know that "tribe" isn't well liked among many africanists, but I am fairly certain that the Shaiqiya are not to be defined as an ethnic group like "Arab" or "Nubian", but indeed as a tribe in the Arabic sense, the qabaliyya. By that definition, they are a branch of the larger Ja'alin tribe, the largest of the sedentary Sudanese "Arab" tribes. Let me know what you think. LeGabrie (talk) 13:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I am aware of the fact that both "tribe" and "ethnic group" are not always defined in a clear-cut way in social anthropology. Also, I know about the Sudanese usually referring to their ethnic or tribal background as qabaliyya, but this way of thinking is also being refused by modern Sudanese, who see themselves more as citizens of a modern society, and would like to leave tribal stereotypes behind. The question you ask, is of course, which of the two terms is correct and in line with other WP articles, and I must confess that other than the reasons mentioned above, I am not sure, if there is a clear-cut answer. Let me know what you think, Munfarid1 (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
To the many, many IPs which have tried to change this over the years, including the most recent ones: No, just because a source puts "Arab" next to the name of an ethnic group does not automatically prove that this ethnic group is only Arab. Researchers who actually studied this topic in depth, already referenced in the article, explain this quite well: These groups were Arabised, and they consider themselves Arab (resulting in some sources calling them "Arab"), but they are ethnically not Arabs. Applodion ( talk) 12:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
الشوايقة قبيلة عربية في الاساس اختلطت مع القبائل النوبية و٧٧ناك بعض المصادر تقول ان قبيلة الشايقية و الجعليين هم من نفس العائلة 41.95.15.78 ( talk) 09:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
@ LeGabrie the photo you have used is not a Shaigiya couple this is a Nubian couple in el Kurru and it is incorrect and misleading to claim they are a Shaigi couple. The original photo file says couple in El Kurru in the Sudanese part of Nubia, this doesn't specifically say a Shaigi couple. The caption of the file extracted that you have used has also been extracted from 3 other files in which they say that this is a Nubian couple in El Kurru.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nubisches_Paar_im_Sudan.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nubisches_Paar_im_Sudan.jpg#mw-jump-to-license https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubialaiset https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubiani Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 17:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)