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Afshar himself is being wiki-editor registered as User:Afshar and has sole contribution to the Afshar experiment article. In his editing practice he used sockpuppeting, and tried to unbalance the main article on Afshar experiment in any possible way. Danko Georgiev MD 09:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Afshar, If you came to undo the edits, can you please tell us where to find your CV? There is nothing on your webpage, except a self written title Professor. Mehranshargh 06:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not certain that User:Afshar is "the guy" who did the Afshar experiment. Maybe User:Afshar is just someone who is really interested in that experiment and took that screen name as a kind of Homage,
But it does raise an interesting issue: Wikipedia has a policy that articles may not contain "original research," right?
To me, a strict interpretation of that policy would mean that if Albert Einstein were still alive, he would be disqualified from editing an article about the theory of Special Relativity.
I experience some cognitive dissonance here.
Who better than Albert Einstein to edit that article?
But, rules are rules.
Right? Cyclopiano ( talk) 07:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed a lot of duplicated material that appears at Afshar experiment. This is a biography article, not the experiment article. The article lacks any details about Afshar the person and his career history. -- Michael C. Price talk 07:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Again I removed details about the experiment. This a bio page, not the experiment page. Yes, removing the material makes the page rather empty, but that problem is only masked by introducing material from another article. Hopefully the emptiness will spur someone to add real biographical data. -- Michael C. Price talk 03:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Admins, please take note: Subsequent to the breach of confidentiality issue, I have personally added the year of birth. There is no need for the exact DOB. -- Afshar ( talk) 18:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
As I feared, the bio page has now completely degenerated into an alternate page for the Afshar experiment. We now see such desparate attempts to push the experiment, which had previously been confined to the experiments's page, with ridiculous sentences "reminding" us that Foundations in Physics is peer reviewed and even that its editor is a nobel laureate. Jez!
Perhaps semi-protection is the only answer. -- Michael C. Price talk 03:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I urge the various IP editors to stop disrupting other articles and to log with real identities. Why do you find it necessary to hide yourselves? -- Michael C. Price talk 10:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I am not Afshar. Everytime somone supports afshar you call them Afshar. I have physics PhD and I live in Azerbaijn. People like Micael Price are the one that started false accounts to slander him. I like him necause he stood up for himself and his religion. Here is a quote from a facebook forum: "In the Harvard forum back in 2003, people would sign up for the science forum rapidly. There were many fake accounts that were traced back to several conspiracy skeptics that tried to discredit Afshar. This was back in the fall of 2003, I do believe. He was slandered for his Iranian decent more so than his actual experiment. People were trying to say that these people were paid by another scientist. In 2006, Bush enforced a law that you can't post on fake accounts or something to that effect and Harvard (after 3+ years) deleted these accounts. It was a big deal." I know some people were fired. So Price, be careful not to destroy his or your own reputation here by libelous accusations, you are not anon. 85.132.47.9 ( talk) 23:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Prof. Afshar, a friendly reminder that if you are here to remove the Higgs bet you just announced on New Scientist website, I'm afraid it is too late. Once you put something on the web, it is public domain. I also have the screenshots of the New Scientist comments page as well as your e-mail to me verifying it was you who posted it online. Sorry, but I will revert the page back to its current state if you remove the sentence. Best of luck ;) Sfsupro ( talk) 19:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Its says that Harvard is Afshar's alma mater, but this is not supported by the link given. Where did Afshar graduate from? And in what subject? Presumably physics, but we need a source for this. -- Michael C. Price talk 04:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Is anybosy familiar with Ashfar's Inertia papers, or IRIMS? Only reliable sources please. Sfsupro ( talk) 05:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
More recently Afshar has been concentrating on his commercial interests, as President, CEO & CTO of Immerz Inc, a Cambridge MA startup, in the consumer electronics games field.[2] On November 18, 2009, on the eve of LHC`s launch, Afshar announced a wager against LHC being able to find the Higgs Boson in a New Scientist commentary, offering instead his proposed theory on the origin of inertia delineated in a 1999 paper.[10] -- this text is absolutely unencyclopedic. What does Afshar in his real life, is of no interest to anybody. It is absolutely irrelevant stuff important only from Afshar's perspective, but does not merit coverage in encyclopedia. I propose deletion of this text. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 06:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mike, I propose for a second time deletion of unencyclopaedic information about Afshar's bet against Higgs boson. This time I can refer to Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper and specifically "Wikipedia is not a diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events he is involved in are." I believe the issue with the Higgs boson is of limited interest to be mentioned here. Also, in a TV program BBC Horizon 2012 The Hunt for Higgs, it was announced that the issue will be answered by the end of 2012 and there is some preliminary evidence/hope that the Higgs boson mass is around 125 GeV. Afshar's alternative theory is not mentioned anywhere as notable alternative theory to the existence of Higgs boson, e.g. check the Higgs boson, so this bet is not encyclopaedic. Not to mention, that Afshar also announced bet of 100$ for disproving his violation of Bohr complementarity, but he has not yet paid any researcher these 100$. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 12:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
The sentence "As of August 2011, Afshar's prediction on non-existence of Higgs Boson seems to be validated by continued failure of LHC to find the particle, promting other scientists to also suggest that "Higgs boson may be a mirage." is factually incorrect. The meaning as if scientists know Afshar's prediction and this prompts their reaction. The truth is that scientists think that Higgs might be mirage because of the negative LHC data, and it is quite evident from interviews and TV programs released by BBC that none of these researchers reporting on the Higgs has any idea who Afshar is. I propose deletion of this text because it is misleading. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 12:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I think Afshar should inform us who is going to receive the prize. By the way, in 2004 he announced another award for disproving his erroneous analysis of the Afshar experiment but Afshar does not seem to be eager to give away that award either. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 09:33, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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The following Wikipedia contributor may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view. |
Afshar himself is being wiki-editor registered as User:Afshar and has sole contribution to the Afshar experiment article. In his editing practice he used sockpuppeting, and tried to unbalance the main article on Afshar experiment in any possible way. Danko Georgiev MD 09:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Afshar, If you came to undo the edits, can you please tell us where to find your CV? There is nothing on your webpage, except a self written title Professor. Mehranshargh 06:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not certain that User:Afshar is "the guy" who did the Afshar experiment. Maybe User:Afshar is just someone who is really interested in that experiment and took that screen name as a kind of Homage,
But it does raise an interesting issue: Wikipedia has a policy that articles may not contain "original research," right?
To me, a strict interpretation of that policy would mean that if Albert Einstein were still alive, he would be disqualified from editing an article about the theory of Special Relativity.
I experience some cognitive dissonance here.
Who better than Albert Einstein to edit that article?
But, rules are rules.
Right? Cyclopiano ( talk) 07:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed a lot of duplicated material that appears at Afshar experiment. This is a biography article, not the experiment article. The article lacks any details about Afshar the person and his career history. -- Michael C. Price talk 07:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Again I removed details about the experiment. This a bio page, not the experiment page. Yes, removing the material makes the page rather empty, but that problem is only masked by introducing material from another article. Hopefully the emptiness will spur someone to add real biographical data. -- Michael C. Price talk 03:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Admins, please take note: Subsequent to the breach of confidentiality issue, I have personally added the year of birth. There is no need for the exact DOB. -- Afshar ( talk) 18:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
As I feared, the bio page has now completely degenerated into an alternate page for the Afshar experiment. We now see such desparate attempts to push the experiment, which had previously been confined to the experiments's page, with ridiculous sentences "reminding" us that Foundations in Physics is peer reviewed and even that its editor is a nobel laureate. Jez!
Perhaps semi-protection is the only answer. -- Michael C. Price talk 03:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I urge the various IP editors to stop disrupting other articles and to log with real identities. Why do you find it necessary to hide yourselves? -- Michael C. Price talk 10:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I am not Afshar. Everytime somone supports afshar you call them Afshar. I have physics PhD and I live in Azerbaijn. People like Micael Price are the one that started false accounts to slander him. I like him necause he stood up for himself and his religion. Here is a quote from a facebook forum: "In the Harvard forum back in 2003, people would sign up for the science forum rapidly. There were many fake accounts that were traced back to several conspiracy skeptics that tried to discredit Afshar. This was back in the fall of 2003, I do believe. He was slandered for his Iranian decent more so than his actual experiment. People were trying to say that these people were paid by another scientist. In 2006, Bush enforced a law that you can't post on fake accounts or something to that effect and Harvard (after 3+ years) deleted these accounts. It was a big deal." I know some people were fired. So Price, be careful not to destroy his or your own reputation here by libelous accusations, you are not anon. 85.132.47.9 ( talk) 23:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Prof. Afshar, a friendly reminder that if you are here to remove the Higgs bet you just announced on New Scientist website, I'm afraid it is too late. Once you put something on the web, it is public domain. I also have the screenshots of the New Scientist comments page as well as your e-mail to me verifying it was you who posted it online. Sorry, but I will revert the page back to its current state if you remove the sentence. Best of luck ;) Sfsupro ( talk) 19:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Its says that Harvard is Afshar's alma mater, but this is not supported by the link given. Where did Afshar graduate from? And in what subject? Presumably physics, but we need a source for this. -- Michael C. Price talk 04:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Is anybosy familiar with Ashfar's Inertia papers, or IRIMS? Only reliable sources please. Sfsupro ( talk) 05:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
More recently Afshar has been concentrating on his commercial interests, as President, CEO & CTO of Immerz Inc, a Cambridge MA startup, in the consumer electronics games field.[2] On November 18, 2009, on the eve of LHC`s launch, Afshar announced a wager against LHC being able to find the Higgs Boson in a New Scientist commentary, offering instead his proposed theory on the origin of inertia delineated in a 1999 paper.[10] -- this text is absolutely unencyclopedic. What does Afshar in his real life, is of no interest to anybody. It is absolutely irrelevant stuff important only from Afshar's perspective, but does not merit coverage in encyclopedia. I propose deletion of this text. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 06:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mike, I propose for a second time deletion of unencyclopaedic information about Afshar's bet against Higgs boson. This time I can refer to Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper and specifically "Wikipedia is not a diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events he is involved in are." I believe the issue with the Higgs boson is of limited interest to be mentioned here. Also, in a TV program BBC Horizon 2012 The Hunt for Higgs, it was announced that the issue will be answered by the end of 2012 and there is some preliminary evidence/hope that the Higgs boson mass is around 125 GeV. Afshar's alternative theory is not mentioned anywhere as notable alternative theory to the existence of Higgs boson, e.g. check the Higgs boson, so this bet is not encyclopaedic. Not to mention, that Afshar also announced bet of 100$ for disproving his violation of Bohr complementarity, but he has not yet paid any researcher these 100$. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 12:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
The sentence "As of August 2011, Afshar's prediction on non-existence of Higgs Boson seems to be validated by continued failure of LHC to find the particle, promting other scientists to also suggest that "Higgs boson may be a mirage." is factually incorrect. The meaning as if scientists know Afshar's prediction and this prompts their reaction. The truth is that scientists think that Higgs might be mirage because of the negative LHC data, and it is quite evident from interviews and TV programs released by BBC that none of these researchers reporting on the Higgs has any idea who Afshar is. I propose deletion of this text because it is misleading. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 12:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I think Afshar should inform us who is going to receive the prize. By the way, in 2004 he announced another award for disproving his erroneous analysis of the Afshar experiment but Afshar does not seem to be eager to give away that award either. Danko Georgiev ( talk) 09:33, 4 July 2012 (UTC)