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Moving this apparent nonsense here from "white slave trade" article:
So, not knowing much about this, why is this "apparent nonsense"? Insufficiently referenced? Graft
I didn't say it was apparent nonsense, someone else did. But I think I can answer. First, consider the source (a banned user who I just banned again). Not reliable. Second, spelling errors: 'steap increase'? Certainly some reliable information on this topic would be welcomed. Jimbo Wales 18:12 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)
there is information provided in this talk page (erased - see my previous post) which is from the reference on the page. jimbo - you should read your own disclaimer - you are erasing valid information.
claims supported by scientific evidence should not be removed by the NPOV policy.
References?
Here are some references you might use. It appears that Israel has become conspicuous as a place where White sexual slavery is carried on.
"A modern form of slavery," The Jerusalem Post, 13 January 1998. "Traffickers' New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women," New York Times, 11 January 1998. http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Israel_Sex_Slavery.html http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1374
White slavery refers to the indentured servitude of Caucasian-Americans, who were treated worse than Negro slaves. Former president Andrew Johnson was a White Slave.
Roadrunner 01:51, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
To what does the country song "16 tons" refer to, then?
The sharecropping system and other practices which arose in the South after slavery was abolished, which while primarily affecting African-Americans did affect whites as well.
most of this page is devoted to dicounting white slavery, with a short reference to "sex slavery".
This page also smacks of racism -- the panicked, bigoted white folks afraid of the chinese making their women slaves?
There is nothin POV or unbalanced about this page. The white slave trade has never historically existed. During the progressive Era a investigation into the white slave trade revealed that it did not exist and that women were driven into prostituion by economic reasons. Furrthermore the white slave trade was used by "the panicked, bigoted white folks" to attack the evil Jews and Chinese. When something is a fact it is not a POV and all historical sources support this article. Furthermore the anonymous user who put up the POV has done nothing on wikipedia but attack african american related articles.-- Gary123 22:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
LOL, the Barbary Pirates are a fantasy then? Speaking of which, I think this article should contain a link (even if only for the purposes of disambiguation) to the Barbary Pirates.
If it doesn't refer to race, then what does it refer to? —
Charles P.
(Mirv)
04:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Not a POV??? Iain - a reader
The White slave trade did exist historically but really not in the C19th moral panic surrounding the numerous opium dens of London- as described. There was a large number of endentured white slave labour in the West Indies and Americas before the African Slave trade took off on large scale. Also there was a white slave trade in Morocco for centuries. See the Barbary Pirates or Corsairs and new-ish book out called 'White Gold'. This only ended in 1813 when Tangiers was levelled by British warships. There is evidence that this was a Jihadi adventure by these Islamic slavers.
The contemporary 'white slave trade' is largely run by organised crime in the former Eastern Block and part of the bigger problem of people trafficking in Europe. And there is no evidence at all that I have seen that Israel, although there is organised crime there as elsewhere, is a part of that.
There could and perhaps should be a full and proper article done on this subject. There is an expansion of Slavery studies away from the narrow focus on the Atlantic trade that has missed out a great deal of the history of slavery in the Islamis world, the Far East, to the Americas (that wasn't African in origin), the endentured labour that replaced official slavery in the Empire that effected many thousands of Indians for example and not least the contemporary problem in Europe. Africa still has an on-going black slave trade too.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm
http://www.britannica.com/shakespeare/article-13548
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/alpha/algiers1816.htm
See also the life of Cervantes (Don Quixote's author), slave during 5 years in Algiers (he managed to pay a ransom before the unsold slaves were sent to Constantinople)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm
The Trinitarians, founded in 1198 by St. John of Matha and St. Felix of Valois, established hospitals for slaves at Algiers and Tunis in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; and from its foundation until the year 1787 it redeemed 900,000 slaves. The Order of Our Lady of Ransom (Mercedarians), founded in the thirteenth century by St. Peter Nolasco, and established more especially in France and Spain, redeemed 490,736 slaves between the years 1218 and 1632. To the three regular vows its founder had added a fourth, "To become a hostage in the hands of the infidels, if that is necessary for the deliverance of Christ's faithful." Many Mercedarians kept this vow even to martyrdom. Another order undertook not only to redeem captives, but also to give them spiritual and material assistance. St. Vincent of Paul had been a slave at Algiers in 1605, and had witnessed the sufferings and perils of Christian slaves. At the request of Louis XIV, he sent them, in 1642, priests of the congregation which he had founded. Many of these priests, indeed, were invested with consular functions at Tunis and at Algiers. From 1642 to 1660 they redeemed about 1200 slaves at an expense of about 1,200,000 livres. But their greatest achievements were in teaching the Catechism and converting thousands, and in preparing many of the captives to suffer the most cruel martyrdom rather than deny the Faith.
Is there anybody else interested in bringing this article into a form that makes sense and doesn't include nonesense like the "white slavery does not refer to race"-sentence?
I asked for an Expert on this topic for the following reasons:
--> I could take care of the latter, but I would need someone to proofread my text, because I am not a native speaker, and I can't say anything about the white-slavery-definitions of revisionist and co
-- Enfiladissa 07:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Err.. the history of White Slavery is probably as old as the history of white People. Arabs took white Slaves, White Western Europeans took Eastern Europeans as slaves. Most of the slaves in the Roman Empire are believed to have been white, not too sure about Greece. Firther to this, dear old Ireland was at one time the capital of the White Slave trade. -- Irishpunktom\ talk 10:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
. . .ideas which arose in a specific context, you can guess which, and are not relevant elsewhere. a roman would have considered his african and german slaves equally barbaric and equally deserving of enslavement, and he would have used the same terminology for both.
honestly, i think use of the term is an expression (albeit an unconscious one, usually) of racism, though it's less obviously offensive than "nigger". — Charles P. (Mirv) 09:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
'Analyzed' I think you mean. You would not do what you said unless you took seriously someone's request to just shove it. :)
The term 'white slavery' does not show unconscious racism by the user. It is rather a reflection of the fact that slavery was, for a time racialy based. It had not been in the ancient world. Western civilization alone of all the worlds cultures contained people (Abolitionists) who decided that slavery was a crime against humanity. Because this particular culture was founded amongst Caucasians, it used their racial reference points. Since the triumph of Abolition doctrine throughout the world (in theory)it is it now cut loose from those reference points. The US State Dept. for example, now refers to 'Sexual' rather than 'white' slavery. This change reflects the new, better realities of the modern world, but there is no reason to be ashamed of the older term, or to not use it in its historical context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.69.80.252 ( talk) 18:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
the word slave comes from the practice of taking people from the slavic nations as slaves. just wanted to point that out. this article needs serious revistion. Lue3378 07:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice to meet you.I am Japanese wikipedian. I hear that the word [] also means women who were forced to be engaged to prostitution by Japanese yakuza. Is it true? 61.205.178.150 08:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer. I suppose that the events which you mention are all phenomenon of 19th century and early 20th century. In Japanese wikipedia's article 'ホワイトスレイブリ'=[white slavery] we discuss that "this word is historical or active". In 1980s American journalists David・E・Kaplan and Alec・Dubro used the word 'white slave' for victims of Japanese yakuza's sex trade in their best seller book 'Yakuza : The Explosive Account of Japan's Criminal Underworld'. But recently when State Department criticize Japanese sex business, they always use not 'white slave' but 'sexual slave'. Do English spoken people use the words 'white slave' and 'white slavery' still now? 61.205.178.150 15:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following, as it insinuates that the term is only used by white supremacists, and that the only people who recognize the existence of white slavery in history are white supremacist revisionists.
The term white slavery is also used in revisionist and white supremacy literature to refer to any slavery of people with light skin.
I also removed this one, because it basically claims that the only "white slaves" were mixed with other races, and the title suggests that these slaves were only seen in the South.
During the period of slavery in the United States, there were some slaves who had mostly white ancestry and/or appeared white, due to the legal doctrine of partus. The existence of these slaves was highly emphasised in anti-slavery propaganda.
This article SERIOUSLY needs a makeover, and not by some dogmatic PC teenager with paleface guilt and tunnel vision.
Indentured servitude and
sharecropping are completely ignored, as are Irish
coffin ships. If no one else does, I'm probably going to rewrite this article once I get the energy to do enough research, though an expert would still be desperately needed.
-That being said, the genotype of all us French-Canadians has just been sold for 12 million$. At about 6 million inbreds on medicare who only get prescribed neuroleptics even for occasionnal sleeplessness, only 2,00$ a pop for some genetic info and a lifetime of prescribed neurotoxins. Maybe I am a little dramatic, I didn't know we were such great guinea pigs. This is not about racism as such, it's, as always, about money and power and in this case some Swedish BioScience company named Genizon or GalileoGenome. Check it out please.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a professional expert on the subject, just an undergraduate American History major...) but I was taught that the term "white slavery" was also used by pro-slavery rhetoricians in the antebellum South to refer to northern industrial workers who were "enslaved" in their factory jobs, thus contrasting the South's "compassionate" and "mild" form of legal slavery with the de facto "white slaves" of the North. (Possible references on the subject could be found in antebellum newspapers from a large southern city, such as Richmond, VA.) As it stands, this article refers only to prostitution, not the use of the term as a rhetorical device. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarichkaa ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC).
I deleted uncited edits made by a suspected hoaxer, Serenesoulnyc, who even wrote a special article "Swedish Slave trade" which is delibirately different than Swedish slave trade. Dan Gluck 16:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
"white slavery" is usually used to refer to this moral panic,
This probably needs to be rephrased. To my knowledge the term "white slavery" is only ever used to refer to the practice of child prostitution: I've never seen the term used to refer to the moral panic.
Ordinary Person 23:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I've moved this to Talk since it seems to be using the word in a way that is different from the rest of the article.
However, this passage raises an issue of content. It may be relevant to mention the fact that the concept of "white slavery" preceded the use of term as a form of euphemism for prostitution. In particular it was used to refer to the white concubines in Islamic harems, especially Circassians, who were a topic of popular literature and art from the 1840s (see Circassian beauties), and became a significant theme in America in the 1860s, when "white slavery" was being contrasted with "black slavery" in terms defined by racial ideologies of the era. There is a great deal of literature on the Circassian debate, and it links directly to the assumption that "white slavery" is identical to specifically sexual slavery. Paul B ( talk) 13:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
In the "Sexual slavery during armed conflict and war" section, the content is explicitly biased. The Bible describes that rape during war was a pagan activity? Christians during wartime have NEVER raped? Not only is that highly unlikely, it's just flat out false. We have numerous documents that Christians raped non-Christians and Christians alike during the Crusades, not to mention other wars.
in response to this first section, the article was talking about the Bibles account of pagans involved in sexual violence. it couldnt talk about Christian violence (i.e the crusades) as it was written before the era. Also to balance things the author has tried to claim that the bible commands sexual violence, which it doesnt if you actually read it.
Additionally, this article only focuses on non-white cultures engaging in rape during war time. Hello? American soldiers were conclusively found guilty of rape in Vietnam and the Iraq wars, and there was white slavery involved. European soldiers (not just Germans or Nazis) were also guilty of organized/institutionalized rape, especially during the World Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.207.72 ( talk) 00:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC) i do agree that mention needs to be given to sexual violence by western colonial forces.
'and as the law of God (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)' it is claimed in this article that the Bible commands sexual violence during wartime. However if you actually read that passage it doesnt. there is no hint of violence and although it doesnt say that she has a right to refuse marriage, it doesnt say you can force her to marry you either. all it says it that Israelitie men are allowed to marry female POWs, which is not a war crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonhoffer ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to suggest an edit to the "Middle-East" part of the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery#The_Middle_East
The edit I propose is as follows:
In the contemporary Middle East, sexual slavery exists, and transportation and trafficking occurs. Similar to most other sensitive matters, it is difficult if not impossible to determine the true extent of the problem in any of the middle eastern countries other than in Israel. Consequently, effective or constructive pressure is difficult to apply in the Middle East, outside of Israel, and there is little reliable evidence that any significant action has been taken in those territories. Fortunately, at least in Israel, the unique combination of a free press (both local and international), together with constant international focus and free access, permits an easy accumulation of information about the true nature of the problem, and therefore enables constructive pressure to be applied successfully. For example, in Israel,the press was able to report on official studies into human trafficking for the sex trade industry [1] [2] — much of it involving women from Eastern Europe. Eastern European women also end up in Turkey and United Arab Emirates. [3] And there is significant evidence of action taken by both Israeli Government bodies and NGOs to address the problem, at both the national and international level.
Elsewhere, there is some evidence that many of the Iraqi women fleeing the........
Abadax ( talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC) ( Abadax ( talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC))
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I changed the NPOV tag to Long NPOV, since it's not clear either on this page or in the article which sections have a dispute. -- 24.118.206.25 05:38, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I included more details on sex trafficking in Cambodia in the page "Southeast Asia" and elaborating the use of Human Security approach to improve the situation.- pretchan
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Surely there exists non-consensual sexual slavery. I think the current article is too biased towards the BDSM connotation.
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ALL slavery has strong sexual elements. Today MOST slavery is entirely sexual (kidnapping for prostitution, etc.) in motivation - if rape is sex that is. Historians have edited the reality, of course, but contemporary writers are often quite honest about it, e.g. ancient Greek and Roman and Indian and Chinese writers waxing on about various ways to have sex with slaves or serfs.
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The term "sex slave" and "consensual sexual slavery" are sometimes used in BDSM to refer to a consensual agreement between sexual partners (see also total power exchange).
As this line is for another meaning, I think it's a tastelessness word here. IMHO It can be in an another meaning page. -- 213.98.173.169 ( talk) 19:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
hmm, i wonder why would the chinese do that, because its BULLSHIT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 ( talk) 14:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Does the RAA really count as a form of sexual slavery? AFAIK the RAA's members were ordinary prostitutes, perhaps forced into the job for economic reasons, but certainly not held there by gunpoint like the real comfort women... Jpatokal 02:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I admit "orphans -> women". It's neutral, because we have not statistics. Kadzuwo 09:31, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Cautious: Sex slave has a very specific meaning. Demanding sex as a bribe or payment is not nice, but it's not slavery by any definition of the word. Jpatokal 10:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This seems to be a bit of an 19th century urban legend/fantasy.....
There needs to either be documentation that this is real or marked as a fantasy.
I mean "injecting someone with opium ?????!!!!!"
Roadrunner 16:34, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the West, women and children are also abducted to be sex slaves or prostitutes in other countries where white women and children are rare. Forced abductions happen most often at airports, docks, and borders, where it is easier to smuggle the victim out of the country. The victim is often injected with opium to turn her/him into a ' zombie', reducing the victim's will to struggle or escape, and making the victim more suggestible. Once the victim is in another country where laws are less enforced, they are often plced in a training facility or 'sex farm' where they are reconditioned into a life of prostitution, sex slavery, or manual labor. Traits favorable to abductors are : a pretty face, light skin color, light eye color, light hair color. These traits fetch a higher price on the underground 'flesh market'. (See Missing Person)
THIS IS RACIST MISSING PERSON. U ARE HITLER.
That's not racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.180.187 ( talk) 16:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The following "Joy division" is a hoax born in Wiky, in fact the only source of the you division is a fictional book. See article. There fore I removed the following:
The Joy Division were groups of Jewish women in the concentration camps during World War II who were kept for the sexual pleasure of the Nazi guards, as described in Ka-tzetnik 135633's 1955 book, The House of Dolls. The Nazis also selected Polish and Ukrainian women working in forced labor and forced them into brothels.
-- Taghawi-Nejad 18:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This "Joy division" is pure fictional. There were strong laws in Nazi-Germany to prevent sex between Germans and Jews.
In the pre Civil War United States, there were equally strong laws banning sex between Africans slaves and Europeans. Such laws were broken with impunity, and large numbers of multi-ethnic descendents of every complexion live on today as the result. The Nazi laws forbidding Jewish-German sex as well as the U.S. anti-miscegenation laws were mere show. The essential immorality of such laws winked at people's actual behavior. The state only acted if it were publicly embarrassed.
They sent young women to the front as well.
Why nothing on dark age slavery, or classical period slavery? We have no reason to doubt ibn Fadlan when he says that the Vikings in Russia used female slave for sex. There's a severe bias in this article towards relatively recent times, and (strangely) there's also a sort of reverse eurocentrism, dealing with Asia and the Americas, but not with Europe's past.-- Peter Knutsen 15:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
that's wierd, i dont think europeans had slaves. it was only those asians and outlaw americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 ( talk) 15:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC) it is good they need more sexual slaves and put them in my house
I think sexual slavery is a special type of slavery because a person who was abducted by someone who's intent was to use the person as a sex slave and only as a sex slave is a sex slave because this person is not forced to do manual labor or bring in a profit.
I think this should be changed to Sexual Slavery in Muslim countries, and not in "Islam" as that is a very POV and innacurate title. Until that title is changed, this article should be under the totally disputed template. Yuber (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
All together now: One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong. . . It seems rather POV to make the breakdown of five sections of #Sexual slavery in the past temporal and geographical, while only the sixth is religious. Either #Sexual slavery in Islamic countries needs to be recast as ===Sexual slavery in the Middle East===, since that's what most of the text addresses, or else the other sections should be reworked into ===Sexual slavery in Christian countries=== and ===Sexual slavery in Buddhist and Shintoist countries===. I favor the former course of action. — Charles P. (Mirv) 21:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment). He's not interested in arguments, and will stick to his preconceived opinion in the face of any opposition. In this article, he's adding a huge amount of material, most of which has little direct relevance, and which seriously overbalances the text towards the position in Islam. Other editors should try to get through to him using reason, by all means, but be aware that in the end simply editing the article away from his prejudices is likely to be the only solution. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:24, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment).
I could be wrong. If this is true and can be sourced, it would make an interesting footnote to the article. — Charles P. (Mirv) 07:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the section about modern day sexual slavery. Its headings currently read: 1 Modern-day sexual slavery, 1.1 Forced prostitution, 1.2 Sexual slavery in Africa, 1.3 Sexual slavery in the Middle East, and then the next section is 2 Sexual slavery in the past, 2.1 Sexual slavery in North America, etc.
The way this reads from skimming, is that sexual slavery is a thing in Africa and the Middle East, and USED to be a problem in North America, etc. Especially when the first sentence of the North American bit is "In the mid-19th century in the U.S., there was a white slavery scare..."
When I first read this article awhile ago, I'd thought sexual slavery was a thing of the past, and skimming this article served to reinforce that. It wasn't until I read it more thoroughly that I realized it's a modern problem, and that Westernized nations seem to be responsible for the bulk of it.
I think the sections can be reorganized and revamped a bit, but I'm not sure of the best way to do this. For instance, we should have some consistency in the sections. Perhaps "Forced Prostitution" should be its own section, and then a bit for "Sexual slavery in North America, Europe, and Asia" could be added under "Modern-day sexual slavery". Otherwise, a quick scan makes it seem like it's only a problem in Africa and the Middle East.
Also, I think the historical bit about North American slavery should be inverted, first talking about the reality of sexual slavery, then about the "white slavery scare". It shouldn't require a lengthy reading to learn that forced sex was a real problem for black slaves in the United States, and that fact shouldn't be depicted as less relevant than the fact that white people were scared of their wives and children being sold into sexual slavery.
Also, can we move this picture off the talk page? It's really old news now, and distracting to the discussion. Aaronwinborn 15:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
In Roald Dahl's book, Going Solo, he describes seeing a boat full of women while on his way to Africa. He is told that these women are being sent to Benito Mussolini to be sex slaves. Please add this into the article.
It might have sounded kooky, and needs a lot more fact-checking before being put back up, but there is something to this ex-section:
Marketic has indeed filed a lawsuit against a Los Angeles 'talent agency' and certain Brunei royals, relating to the hiring of American women for sexual purposes. -- Perey 11:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Namely in the section: Due to the illegal nature of trafficking, the exact extent is unknown. However, we know these crimes are being committed world-wide by organized criminals. Much of this continues to happen due to meek punishments in the court systems. Many criminals accused of slave trafficking have gotten off with community service. It is also persisting, because no one is actually doing anything to stop it. In many countries it is supported rather than discontinued. I'm not disputing what it says, but it needs (a) to be rewritten in a less biased way, such as the we know these crimes..., and (b) references. It's related to the previous tag of references needed. I've tried to help, but the section needs more careful attention than I've been able to give. - Aaronwinborn 02:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Christian History & Biography Issue 90, Spring 2006 has a three page article about the fight against sexual trafficking on pages 43-45. It is primarily in the form of bios of three women, Josephine Butler, Katherine Bushnell, and Florence Booth, wife of William Booth who were active in the campaign against it. But it would certainly let us start the "Europe in the past" sub-section that is completely missing. If I haven't gotten back and built that section in a couple weeks, come tap me on the shoulder. GRBerry 03:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that until relatively recently marriage allowed for a woman to be a sex slave since she had no legal right to refuse sex and a husband could not be prosecuted for raping his wife. There may even still be religious groups that oppose criminalising forced sex in a marriage.
This is main reason say nothing about sex slavery till this age. It was not sex slavery. It was normal. And now women are really free and a man can not demand any sex service even from his wife. This is main reason of growing interest to such things now I think. Qqzzccdd 18:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is not discussing arranged marriages, forced marriages, or rape with in marriage and legality or illegality of such an action. --SelfStudyBuddy 09:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
>Sexual slavery in East and Southeast Asia during World War II When you use the word "slavery", you should prove they were forced by Japanese Government or Armed forces. Can you do this? As long as I understand any accusations about this matter are baseless. Please give us the proof! or Stop propagate the demagogy.
>During World War II, hundreds of thousands of mostly Asian women were recruited into serving the Japanese army as prostitutes,
>euphemistically named "comfort women," in the wartime brothels of Asia during the Japanese occupation of China, This is not unique phenomena in Japanese Army. Even The United States Army had the same system as "comfort women". But nobody can not call it "slavery",far from it. -- 61.209.169.202 11:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
At least we should indicate both Korean's Recognition & Japanese's Recognition. One side propaganda is not fair.-- 202.239.229.7 04:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
See this oldid. I've redirected that article to point here, but the content might be useful. — coel acan — 04:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I propose that the part of this page dealing with modern sex trafficking be moved to, well, :) "Sex Trafficking."
The term sexual slavery is accurate to be sure, and used more as a description of what is occurring as opposed to the term itself. Sethie 21:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
You know, like an abmush in a dark alley? I read about a scenario where this [almost] happened in a fan fiction, and I was wondering if it ever occurs in real life... -- Luigifan 02:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-Bill-
January, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.201.225 ( talk) 00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Ran across this particular page and came to the conclusion that this page needs a serious re-write from numerous failures to observe NPOV, from allowing one's social bias to affect edits to a sentence or two that (regarding Israel in the middle east section) that links to a news artical that does not at all back up the claim made in the initial statement linked to that article. Understandably, this is a very sensitive issue to many folks, but that simply means that maintaining NPOV is all the more important for it. 68.2.34.10 00:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree especially this statement: The term "sex worker" itself is rejected by the advocates of anti-slavery laws, who argue that women cannot choose sex as an economic activity, and claim it is the criminal networks and customer demand that are the driving forces, not economic necessity.
I think everyone is against SLAVERY, perhaps it should be reworded to "anti-prostitution" laws? The wording of that statement seems to be EXTREMELY biased. If you went to Las Vegas and asked the prostitutes if they were anti-SLAVERY, I'm pretty sure they would say yes. Now ask them if they are against prostitution? I doubt it.
As initial poster of this topic I came back some months later to see how this is going, it's getting better, thankfully, but I suspect we may need to keep an eye on this for a bit longer. 68.230.117.77 ( talk) 06:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
News article at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88102060&ft=1&f=1
"Author Struggles to Stay Removed from Slave Trade"
"Day to Day, March 11, 2008 · With $50 and a plane ticket to Haiti, one can buy a slave. This was just one of the difficult lessons writer Benjamin Skinner learned while researching his book, A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery." Includes audio interview.
Have not read book but was surprised by lack of mention of slavery / sex slavery in Haiti on wikipedia.
Is this issue wide spread enough to warrant a mention on the Haiti and or the slavery articles?
I have included a copy of the article in case link gets broken. Source is [3]
79.69.99.242 ( talk) 15:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Skinner met with slaves and traffickers in 12 different countries, filling in the substance around a startling fact: there are more slaves on the planet today than at any time in human history. Skinner speaks with Anthony Brooks about his experience researching slavery.
Though now illegal throughout the world, slavery is more or less the same as it was hundreds of years ago, Skinner explains. Slaves are still "those that are forced to work under threat of violence for no pay beyond sustenance."
Something disturbing has changed however — the price of a human. After adjusting for inflation, Skinner found that, "In 1850, a slave would cost roughly $30,000 to $40,000 — in other words it was like investing in a Mercedes. Today you can go to Haiti and buy a 9-year-old girl to use as a sexual and domestic slave for $50. The devaluation of human life is incredibly pronounced."
Skinner obtained this specific figure through a very hands-on process. In the fall of 2005, he visited Haiti, which has one of the highest concentrations of slaves anywhere in the world.
"I pulled up in a car and rolled down the window," he recalls. "Someone said, 'Do you want to get a person?'"
Though the country was in a time of political chaos, the street where he met the trafficker was clean and relatively quiet. A tape of the conversation reveals a calm, concise transaction. He was initially told he could get a 9-year-old sex partner/house slave for $100, but he bargained it down to $50.
"The thing that struck me more than anything afterwards was how incredibly banal the transaction was. It was as if I was negotiating on the street for a used stereo."
In the end, he agreed on the price, but told the trader not to make any moves.
"When I was talking to traffickers, I had a principle that I wouldn't pay for human life," he says.
This principle enabled him to keep a certain distance from the system, but not giving in to the temptation to free a suffering human being was an emotionally taxing struggle, he says.
"It's one thing when you are planning an effort like this, this is a work of journalism — I'm not going to interfere with my subjects. It's another thing when you are in an underground brothel in Bucharest, who has this girl with Down Syndrome, who you know is undergoing rape several times a day. When this girl is offered to me in trade for a used car ... I walk away ... it's not an easy thing to do," he says.
At one point, he did violate his principal — helping a mother free her daughter from slavery. He says he does not regret his decision, however, and continues to track her progress through a local NGO in Haiti. She's now in school, he says, and wrote him a letter over Christmas.
Slavery consumes Skinner, he says.
"When I come back to a nice loft in Brooklyn and I have to think about writing this thing — that drove me. I knew that I had to write as compelling a book as possible. This is a life-long commitment for me."
Excerpt: 'A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery'
Book Cover Courtesy of Simon and Schuster
Chapter 1: The Riches of the PoorFor our purposes, let's say that the center of the moral universe is in Room S-3800 of the UN Secretariat, Manhattan. From here, you are some five hours from being able to negotiate the sale, in broad daylight, of a healthy boy or girl. Your slave will come in any color you like, as Henry Ford said, as long as it's black. Maximum age: fifteen. He or she can be used for anything. Sex or domestic labor are the most frequent uses, but it's up to you.
Before you go, let's be clear on what you are buying. A slave is a human being who is forced to work through fraud or threat of violence for no pay beyond subsistence. Agreed? Good. You may have thought you missed your chance to own a slave. Maybe you imagined that slavery died along with the 360,000 Union soldiers whose blood fertilized the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment. Perhaps you assumed that there was meaning behind the dozen international conventions banning the slave trade, or that the deaths of 30 million people in world wars had spread freedom across the globe.
But you're in luck. By our mere definition, you are living at a time when there are more slaves than at any point in history. If -you're going to buy one in five hours, however, you've really got to stop navel—gazing over things like law and the moral advance of humanity. Get a move on.
First, hail a taxi to JFK International Airport. If you choose the Queensboro Bridge to the Brooklyn—Queens Expressway, the drive should take under an hour. With no baggage, you'll speed through security in time to make a direct flight to Port au Prince, Haiti. Flying time: three hours.
The final hour is the strangest. After disembarking, you will cross the tarmac to the terminal where drummers in vodou getup and a dancing midget greet you with song. Based on Transportation Security Administration warnings posted in the departure terminal at JFK, you might expect abject chaos at Toussaint L'Ouverture Airport. Instead, you find orderly lines leading to the visa stamp, no bribes asked, a short wait for your bag, then a breeze through customs. Outside the airport, the cabbies and porters will be aggressive, but not threatening. Assuming you speak no Creole, find an English—speaking porter and offer him $20 to translate for the day.
Ask your translator to hail the most common form of transport, a tap-tap, a flatbed pickup retrofitted with benches and a brightly colored canopy. You will have to take a couple of these, but they only cost 10 gourdes (25 cents) each. Usually handpainted with signs in broken English or Creole, tap-taps often include the words my god or jesus. my god -it's my life reads one; another announces welcome to jesus. Many are ornate, featuring windshields covered in frill, doodads, and homages to such figures as Che Guevara, Ronaldinho, or reggae legend Gregory Isaacs. The -driver's navigation is based on memory, instinct. There will be no air conditioning. Earplugs are useful, as the sound system, which cost more than the rig itself, will make your chest vibrate with the beats of Haitian pop and American hip-hop. Up to twenty people may accompany you: five square inches on a wooden bench will miraculously accommodate a woman with a posterior the size of a tractor tire. Prepare your spine.
You'll want to head up Route de Delmas toward the suburb of Pétionville, where many of the -country's wealthiest thirty families—who control the -nation's economy—maintain a pied—à-terre. As you drive southeast away from the sea, the smells change from rotting fish to rotting vegetables. Exhaust fumes fill the air. You'll pass a billboard featuring a smiling girl in pigtails and the words: Give me your hand. Give me tomorrow. Down with Child Servitude. Chances are, like the majority of Haitians, you -can't read French or Creole. Like them, you ignore the sign.
Heading out of the airport, -you'll pass two UN peacekeepers, one with a Brazilian patch, the other with an Argentine flag. As you pass the blue helmets, smile, wave, and receive dumbfounded stares in return. The United Nations also has Jordanians and Peruvians here, parked in APVs fifteen minutes northwest, along the edge of the hyperviolent Cité Soleil slum, the poorest and most densely populated six square miles in the poorest and most densely populated country in the hemisphere. The peacekeepers -don't go in much, neither do the national police. If they do, the gangsters that run the place start shooting. Best to steer clear, although you'd get a cheap price on children there. You might even get offered a child gratis.
You'll notice the streets of the Haitian capital are, like the tap—taps, overstuffed, banged up, yet colorful. The road surfaces range from bad to terrible, and grind even the toughest SUVs down to the chassis. Parts of Delmas are so steep that the truck may sputter and die under the exertion.
Port au Prince was built to accommodate about 150,000 people, and hasn't seen too many centrally planned upgrades since 1804. Over the last fifty years, some 2 million people, a quarter of the nation's population, have arrived from the countryside. They've brought their animals. Chickens scratch on side streets, and boys lead prizefighting cocks on string leashes. Monstrously fat black pigs root in sooty, putrid garbage piled eight feet high on street corners or even higher in enormous pits that drop off sidewalks and wind behind houses.
A crowd swells out of a Catholic church broadcasting a fervent mass. Most Haitians are Catholic. Despite the efforts of Catholic priests, most also practice vodou. In the countryside, vodou is often all they practice.
The foregoing is excerpted from from the first chapter of A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery by Ben Skinner. All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced without written permission from Simon & Schuster.
This is not covered in the existing article. I've dug up some references from the BBC, but this should not be considered sufficient as a single source is always potentially unreliable. I have excluded the stories involving Goreans, as that would just confuse the issue. I might write this in, if nobody else wants to, but my writing isn't that great on this kind of stuff. [4] [5] [6] -- trafficking treaty [7] [8] [9] [10] -- Personal account [11] -- Personal account [12] -- Rescue operation [13] -- Southwest England [14] [15] -- Operation Pentameter [16] -- The selling of British Women to other countries [17] -- BBC investigation [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
I'll also throw in these links, as they are the key organizations involved. Some are pointed to by the above, but many of the links in the news stories no longer work as given and required a little hunting to find where the pages are now. [24] -- Operation Pentameter 2, Homepage [25] -- UK Human Trafficking Centre [26] -- POPPY Project [27] Helen Bamber Foundation [28] ECPAT UK
Provided substantiating material is found, this should be enough for quite a reasonable write-up. Just be warned that if it is left up to me, the write-up won't be easy to follow and will read about as easily as a quantum physics textbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.216.187.178 ( talk) 05:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
These will be obvious to most editors well-read in policy. This article and its use of sources displays a strong cultural bias towards western concepts of sex and power, also focusing on a pro-victim advocacy slant. I have started to eliminate some of these biases, but will need help from other editors. forestPIG (grunt) 02:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Most importantly, the content on the white slavery page is random and patchy, and completely superseded by this page. Secondarily, the term "white slavery" is extremely outdated, and arguably racist (implying that slaves are non-white by definition, and only when they are white must it be specified as unusual - which is of course historically inaccurate). Of course, some would argue other perspectives on the term, but there is no reason to waste time arguing when there is a perfectly good alternate term to use, i.e., "sexual slavery." Vcrs ( talk) 03:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Proceeding with merge. Sunray ( talk) 07:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work, I have tried to restructure the article along those lines
The article still needs a lot of work, but i hope the restructuring will help. I will do some work on this in the next couple of weeks, all help welcome.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 20:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The following section was in the article (very long and detailed). I dont have time to work through it now... maybe we can create a own article for sexual slavery in Cambodia??? Anyway, its below, if anybody would like to work on it or move it back into the article.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 19:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Sex Trafficking in Cambodia Human Security approach as a solution to the problem Human Security Goals
Consistency with the portfolio diversification strategy in Cambodia
I have tried to separate the two out. The line is fluent, but I think there is a distinction. Forced Prostitution really deserves its own article, as there is lots more detail that could be added. Having said that, I think this article should always maintain a forced prostitution section and explain how the two link. -- SasiSasi ( talk) 20:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sexual slavery's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Paul":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
fixed-- SasiSasi ( talk) 17:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I have created an article for forced prostitution. Much of the detail that was in the Forced prostitution section at the end of this article has been moved to Forced prostitution. Once the forced prostitution article is more developed I will add a proper summary into this article.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 17:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a section could be added on unorganized sex slavery. Individual criminals who trick or abduct girls and then hold them for man years. -- Heiss93 ( talk) 04:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The article does not in principle exclude individuals who abduct or trick girls into sexual slavery. We can add more info on this type of sexual slavery if we find sources. Do you have any in mind or do you know any sources that might be suitable? As it goes finding sources on especially contemporary sexual slavery is not that easy.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 06:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there nothing of sex slavery before the arabs, or did it start from there onwards? Faro0485 ( talk) 00:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I am temporarily disabling the first intro section until someone cleans up up (text SEVERELY overlaps). Thanks 69.204.225.103 ( talk) 02:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is spousal rape, or any sort of rape for that matter, in this article? Rape is not the same as slavery. This cannot be an article about all forms of sexual misconduct. Unless there is some source specifically stating that spousal rape is a form of slavery, this section should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.29.19 ( talk) 03:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
If a woman is, during a continuous period of time, in a position of repeatedly not being able to refuse sex, of having lost her sexual autonomy, than it is a form of sexual slavery. This fits the definition of sexual slavery. Read that section, it explains it clearly, and read the whole article. 188.25.225.254 ( talk) 04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've had a read now, and here's my take: Spousal rape is often a situation in which the victim is kept under long-term subjugation for the purpose of non-consensual sex (especially in countries in which women have fewer rights, either legal or practical, than in the Western world), and it is rarely a single event (see ref 44: "such instances are rarely a one-off, but a repeated if not frequent occurance"). So I think that fits the definition of Sexual Slavery quite well, and I don't think a reference that explicitly says so is needed. -- Boing! said Zebedee 04:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
User: 71.187.29.19: It is very clear. I'm sorry you don't understand it. And you can't remove a whole section without consensus, and you have no consensus right now. 188.25.225.254 ( talk) 04:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Free love is the exact opposite of sexual slavery. "Free" and "slavery" don't go together. Why sexual slavery is included in the category group I have no idea, but I'm going to fix that right now ```` User:Eman91 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.22.245.150 ( talk) 01:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
"It is most common in areas such as Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East." First of all, "the Middle East" is in Asia and arguably Africa. Second of all, the above listing includes MOST OF THE EARTH--most of the people on Earth live in Asia, for that matter.
Can that be replaced by something which contains actual information? Note that, although I didn't tag it, it's also unreferenced. I'm not an expert and can't speak with authority on where sexual slavery is really found, but that's just a non-useful sentence. CarlFink ( talk) 23:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Added new information on sex slavery in USA - courtesy TIP report released 6/14 by US Dept. of State. Sourcing information was not included, as I couldn't get the formatting to work well. If this becomes an issue, please find sources from http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2010/142761.htm
Thesocialearth ( talk) 18:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Thesocialearth ( talk) 18:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Was wondering, as the article just covers the badguys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.165.230 ( talk) 02:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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Moving this apparent nonsense here from "white slave trade" article:
So, not knowing much about this, why is this "apparent nonsense"? Insufficiently referenced? Graft
I didn't say it was apparent nonsense, someone else did. But I think I can answer. First, consider the source (a banned user who I just banned again). Not reliable. Second, spelling errors: 'steap increase'? Certainly some reliable information on this topic would be welcomed. Jimbo Wales 18:12 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)
there is information provided in this talk page (erased - see my previous post) which is from the reference on the page. jimbo - you should read your own disclaimer - you are erasing valid information.
claims supported by scientific evidence should not be removed by the NPOV policy.
References?
Here are some references you might use. It appears that Israel has become conspicuous as a place where White sexual slavery is carried on.
"A modern form of slavery," The Jerusalem Post, 13 January 1998. "Traffickers' New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women," New York Times, 11 January 1998. http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Israel_Sex_Slavery.html http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1374
White slavery refers to the indentured servitude of Caucasian-Americans, who were treated worse than Negro slaves. Former president Andrew Johnson was a White Slave.
Roadrunner 01:51, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
To what does the country song "16 tons" refer to, then?
The sharecropping system and other practices which arose in the South after slavery was abolished, which while primarily affecting African-Americans did affect whites as well.
most of this page is devoted to dicounting white slavery, with a short reference to "sex slavery".
This page also smacks of racism -- the panicked, bigoted white folks afraid of the chinese making their women slaves?
There is nothin POV or unbalanced about this page. The white slave trade has never historically existed. During the progressive Era a investigation into the white slave trade revealed that it did not exist and that women were driven into prostituion by economic reasons. Furrthermore the white slave trade was used by "the panicked, bigoted white folks" to attack the evil Jews and Chinese. When something is a fact it is not a POV and all historical sources support this article. Furthermore the anonymous user who put up the POV has done nothing on wikipedia but attack african american related articles.-- Gary123 22:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
LOL, the Barbary Pirates are a fantasy then? Speaking of which, I think this article should contain a link (even if only for the purposes of disambiguation) to the Barbary Pirates.
If it doesn't refer to race, then what does it refer to? —
Charles P.
(Mirv)
04:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Not a POV??? Iain - a reader
The White slave trade did exist historically but really not in the C19th moral panic surrounding the numerous opium dens of London- as described. There was a large number of endentured white slave labour in the West Indies and Americas before the African Slave trade took off on large scale. Also there was a white slave trade in Morocco for centuries. See the Barbary Pirates or Corsairs and new-ish book out called 'White Gold'. This only ended in 1813 when Tangiers was levelled by British warships. There is evidence that this was a Jihadi adventure by these Islamic slavers.
The contemporary 'white slave trade' is largely run by organised crime in the former Eastern Block and part of the bigger problem of people trafficking in Europe. And there is no evidence at all that I have seen that Israel, although there is organised crime there as elsewhere, is a part of that.
There could and perhaps should be a full and proper article done on this subject. There is an expansion of Slavery studies away from the narrow focus on the Atlantic trade that has missed out a great deal of the history of slavery in the Islamis world, the Far East, to the Americas (that wasn't African in origin), the endentured labour that replaced official slavery in the Empire that effected many thousands of Indians for example and not least the contemporary problem in Europe. Africa still has an on-going black slave trade too.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm
http://www.britannica.com/shakespeare/article-13548
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/alpha/algiers1816.htm
See also the life of Cervantes (Don Quixote's author), slave during 5 years in Algiers (he managed to pay a ransom before the unsold slaves were sent to Constantinople)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm
The Trinitarians, founded in 1198 by St. John of Matha and St. Felix of Valois, established hospitals for slaves at Algiers and Tunis in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; and from its foundation until the year 1787 it redeemed 900,000 slaves. The Order of Our Lady of Ransom (Mercedarians), founded in the thirteenth century by St. Peter Nolasco, and established more especially in France and Spain, redeemed 490,736 slaves between the years 1218 and 1632. To the three regular vows its founder had added a fourth, "To become a hostage in the hands of the infidels, if that is necessary for the deliverance of Christ's faithful." Many Mercedarians kept this vow even to martyrdom. Another order undertook not only to redeem captives, but also to give them spiritual and material assistance. St. Vincent of Paul had been a slave at Algiers in 1605, and had witnessed the sufferings and perils of Christian slaves. At the request of Louis XIV, he sent them, in 1642, priests of the congregation which he had founded. Many of these priests, indeed, were invested with consular functions at Tunis and at Algiers. From 1642 to 1660 they redeemed about 1200 slaves at an expense of about 1,200,000 livres. But their greatest achievements were in teaching the Catechism and converting thousands, and in preparing many of the captives to suffer the most cruel martyrdom rather than deny the Faith.
Is there anybody else interested in bringing this article into a form that makes sense and doesn't include nonesense like the "white slavery does not refer to race"-sentence?
I asked for an Expert on this topic for the following reasons:
--> I could take care of the latter, but I would need someone to proofread my text, because I am not a native speaker, and I can't say anything about the white-slavery-definitions of revisionist and co
-- Enfiladissa 07:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Err.. the history of White Slavery is probably as old as the history of white People. Arabs took white Slaves, White Western Europeans took Eastern Europeans as slaves. Most of the slaves in the Roman Empire are believed to have been white, not too sure about Greece. Firther to this, dear old Ireland was at one time the capital of the White Slave trade. -- Irishpunktom\ talk 10:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
. . .ideas which arose in a specific context, you can guess which, and are not relevant elsewhere. a roman would have considered his african and german slaves equally barbaric and equally deserving of enslavement, and he would have used the same terminology for both.
honestly, i think use of the term is an expression (albeit an unconscious one, usually) of racism, though it's less obviously offensive than "nigger". — Charles P. (Mirv) 09:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
'Analyzed' I think you mean. You would not do what you said unless you took seriously someone's request to just shove it. :)
The term 'white slavery' does not show unconscious racism by the user. It is rather a reflection of the fact that slavery was, for a time racialy based. It had not been in the ancient world. Western civilization alone of all the worlds cultures contained people (Abolitionists) who decided that slavery was a crime against humanity. Because this particular culture was founded amongst Caucasians, it used their racial reference points. Since the triumph of Abolition doctrine throughout the world (in theory)it is it now cut loose from those reference points. The US State Dept. for example, now refers to 'Sexual' rather than 'white' slavery. This change reflects the new, better realities of the modern world, but there is no reason to be ashamed of the older term, or to not use it in its historical context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.69.80.252 ( talk) 18:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
the word slave comes from the practice of taking people from the slavic nations as slaves. just wanted to point that out. this article needs serious revistion. Lue3378 07:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice to meet you.I am Japanese wikipedian. I hear that the word [] also means women who were forced to be engaged to prostitution by Japanese yakuza. Is it true? 61.205.178.150 08:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer. I suppose that the events which you mention are all phenomenon of 19th century and early 20th century. In Japanese wikipedia's article 'ホワイトスレイブリ'=[white slavery] we discuss that "this word is historical or active". In 1980s American journalists David・E・Kaplan and Alec・Dubro used the word 'white slave' for victims of Japanese yakuza's sex trade in their best seller book 'Yakuza : The Explosive Account of Japan's Criminal Underworld'. But recently when State Department criticize Japanese sex business, they always use not 'white slave' but 'sexual slave'. Do English spoken people use the words 'white slave' and 'white slavery' still now? 61.205.178.150 15:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following, as it insinuates that the term is only used by white supremacists, and that the only people who recognize the existence of white slavery in history are white supremacist revisionists.
The term white slavery is also used in revisionist and white supremacy literature to refer to any slavery of people with light skin.
I also removed this one, because it basically claims that the only "white slaves" were mixed with other races, and the title suggests that these slaves were only seen in the South.
During the period of slavery in the United States, there were some slaves who had mostly white ancestry and/or appeared white, due to the legal doctrine of partus. The existence of these slaves was highly emphasised in anti-slavery propaganda.
This article SERIOUSLY needs a makeover, and not by some dogmatic PC teenager with paleface guilt and tunnel vision.
Indentured servitude and
sharecropping are completely ignored, as are Irish
coffin ships. If no one else does, I'm probably going to rewrite this article once I get the energy to do enough research, though an expert would still be desperately needed.
-That being said, the genotype of all us French-Canadians has just been sold for 12 million$. At about 6 million inbreds on medicare who only get prescribed neuroleptics even for occasionnal sleeplessness, only 2,00$ a pop for some genetic info and a lifetime of prescribed neurotoxins. Maybe I am a little dramatic, I didn't know we were such great guinea pigs. This is not about racism as such, it's, as always, about money and power and in this case some Swedish BioScience company named Genizon or GalileoGenome. Check it out please.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a professional expert on the subject, just an undergraduate American History major...) but I was taught that the term "white slavery" was also used by pro-slavery rhetoricians in the antebellum South to refer to northern industrial workers who were "enslaved" in their factory jobs, thus contrasting the South's "compassionate" and "mild" form of legal slavery with the de facto "white slaves" of the North. (Possible references on the subject could be found in antebellum newspapers from a large southern city, such as Richmond, VA.) As it stands, this article refers only to prostitution, not the use of the term as a rhetorical device. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarichkaa ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC).
I deleted uncited edits made by a suspected hoaxer, Serenesoulnyc, who even wrote a special article "Swedish Slave trade" which is delibirately different than Swedish slave trade. Dan Gluck 16:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
"white slavery" is usually used to refer to this moral panic,
This probably needs to be rephrased. To my knowledge the term "white slavery" is only ever used to refer to the practice of child prostitution: I've never seen the term used to refer to the moral panic.
Ordinary Person 23:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I've moved this to Talk since it seems to be using the word in a way that is different from the rest of the article.
However, this passage raises an issue of content. It may be relevant to mention the fact that the concept of "white slavery" preceded the use of term as a form of euphemism for prostitution. In particular it was used to refer to the white concubines in Islamic harems, especially Circassians, who were a topic of popular literature and art from the 1840s (see Circassian beauties), and became a significant theme in America in the 1860s, when "white slavery" was being contrasted with "black slavery" in terms defined by racial ideologies of the era. There is a great deal of literature on the Circassian debate, and it links directly to the assumption that "white slavery" is identical to specifically sexual slavery. Paul B ( talk) 13:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
In the "Sexual slavery during armed conflict and war" section, the content is explicitly biased. The Bible describes that rape during war was a pagan activity? Christians during wartime have NEVER raped? Not only is that highly unlikely, it's just flat out false. We have numerous documents that Christians raped non-Christians and Christians alike during the Crusades, not to mention other wars.
in response to this first section, the article was talking about the Bibles account of pagans involved in sexual violence. it couldnt talk about Christian violence (i.e the crusades) as it was written before the era. Also to balance things the author has tried to claim that the bible commands sexual violence, which it doesnt if you actually read it.
Additionally, this article only focuses on non-white cultures engaging in rape during war time. Hello? American soldiers were conclusively found guilty of rape in Vietnam and the Iraq wars, and there was white slavery involved. European soldiers (not just Germans or Nazis) were also guilty of organized/institutionalized rape, especially during the World Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.207.72 ( talk) 00:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC) i do agree that mention needs to be given to sexual violence by western colonial forces.
'and as the law of God (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)' it is claimed in this article that the Bible commands sexual violence during wartime. However if you actually read that passage it doesnt. there is no hint of violence and although it doesnt say that she has a right to refuse marriage, it doesnt say you can force her to marry you either. all it says it that Israelitie men are allowed to marry female POWs, which is not a war crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonhoffer ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to suggest an edit to the "Middle-East" part of the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery#The_Middle_East
The edit I propose is as follows:
In the contemporary Middle East, sexual slavery exists, and transportation and trafficking occurs. Similar to most other sensitive matters, it is difficult if not impossible to determine the true extent of the problem in any of the middle eastern countries other than in Israel. Consequently, effective or constructive pressure is difficult to apply in the Middle East, outside of Israel, and there is little reliable evidence that any significant action has been taken in those territories. Fortunately, at least in Israel, the unique combination of a free press (both local and international), together with constant international focus and free access, permits an easy accumulation of information about the true nature of the problem, and therefore enables constructive pressure to be applied successfully. For example, in Israel,the press was able to report on official studies into human trafficking for the sex trade industry [1] [2] — much of it involving women from Eastern Europe. Eastern European women also end up in Turkey and United Arab Emirates. [3] And there is significant evidence of action taken by both Israeli Government bodies and NGOs to address the problem, at both the national and international level.
Elsewhere, there is some evidence that many of the Iraqi women fleeing the........
Abadax ( talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC) ( Abadax ( talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC))
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I changed the NPOV tag to Long NPOV, since it's not clear either on this page or in the article which sections have a dispute. -- 24.118.206.25 05:38, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I included more details on sex trafficking in Cambodia in the page "Southeast Asia" and elaborating the use of Human Security approach to improve the situation.- pretchan
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Surely there exists non-consensual sexual slavery. I think the current article is too biased towards the BDSM connotation.
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ALL slavery has strong sexual elements. Today MOST slavery is entirely sexual (kidnapping for prostitution, etc.) in motivation - if rape is sex that is. Historians have edited the reality, of course, but contemporary writers are often quite honest about it, e.g. ancient Greek and Roman and Indian and Chinese writers waxing on about various ways to have sex with slaves or serfs.
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The term "sex slave" and "consensual sexual slavery" are sometimes used in BDSM to refer to a consensual agreement between sexual partners (see also total power exchange).
As this line is for another meaning, I think it's a tastelessness word here. IMHO It can be in an another meaning page. -- 213.98.173.169 ( talk) 19:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
hmm, i wonder why would the chinese do that, because its BULLSHIT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 ( talk) 14:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Does the RAA really count as a form of sexual slavery? AFAIK the RAA's members were ordinary prostitutes, perhaps forced into the job for economic reasons, but certainly not held there by gunpoint like the real comfort women... Jpatokal 02:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I admit "orphans -> women". It's neutral, because we have not statistics. Kadzuwo 09:31, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Cautious: Sex slave has a very specific meaning. Demanding sex as a bribe or payment is not nice, but it's not slavery by any definition of the word. Jpatokal 10:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This seems to be a bit of an 19th century urban legend/fantasy.....
There needs to either be documentation that this is real or marked as a fantasy.
I mean "injecting someone with opium ?????!!!!!"
Roadrunner 16:34, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the West, women and children are also abducted to be sex slaves or prostitutes in other countries where white women and children are rare. Forced abductions happen most often at airports, docks, and borders, where it is easier to smuggle the victim out of the country. The victim is often injected with opium to turn her/him into a ' zombie', reducing the victim's will to struggle or escape, and making the victim more suggestible. Once the victim is in another country where laws are less enforced, they are often plced in a training facility or 'sex farm' where they are reconditioned into a life of prostitution, sex slavery, or manual labor. Traits favorable to abductors are : a pretty face, light skin color, light eye color, light hair color. These traits fetch a higher price on the underground 'flesh market'. (See Missing Person)
THIS IS RACIST MISSING PERSON. U ARE HITLER.
That's not racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.180.187 ( talk) 16:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The following "Joy division" is a hoax born in Wiky, in fact the only source of the you division is a fictional book. See article. There fore I removed the following:
The Joy Division were groups of Jewish women in the concentration camps during World War II who were kept for the sexual pleasure of the Nazi guards, as described in Ka-tzetnik 135633's 1955 book, The House of Dolls. The Nazis also selected Polish and Ukrainian women working in forced labor and forced them into brothels.
-- Taghawi-Nejad 18:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This "Joy division" is pure fictional. There were strong laws in Nazi-Germany to prevent sex between Germans and Jews.
In the pre Civil War United States, there were equally strong laws banning sex between Africans slaves and Europeans. Such laws were broken with impunity, and large numbers of multi-ethnic descendents of every complexion live on today as the result. The Nazi laws forbidding Jewish-German sex as well as the U.S. anti-miscegenation laws were mere show. The essential immorality of such laws winked at people's actual behavior. The state only acted if it were publicly embarrassed.
They sent young women to the front as well.
Why nothing on dark age slavery, or classical period slavery? We have no reason to doubt ibn Fadlan when he says that the Vikings in Russia used female slave for sex. There's a severe bias in this article towards relatively recent times, and (strangely) there's also a sort of reverse eurocentrism, dealing with Asia and the Americas, but not with Europe's past.-- Peter Knutsen 15:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
that's wierd, i dont think europeans had slaves. it was only those asians and outlaw americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 ( talk) 15:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC) it is good they need more sexual slaves and put them in my house
I think sexual slavery is a special type of slavery because a person who was abducted by someone who's intent was to use the person as a sex slave and only as a sex slave is a sex slave because this person is not forced to do manual labor or bring in a profit.
I think this should be changed to Sexual Slavery in Muslim countries, and not in "Islam" as that is a very POV and innacurate title. Until that title is changed, this article should be under the totally disputed template. Yuber (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
All together now: One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong. . . It seems rather POV to make the breakdown of five sections of #Sexual slavery in the past temporal and geographical, while only the sixth is religious. Either #Sexual slavery in Islamic countries needs to be recast as ===Sexual slavery in the Middle East===, since that's what most of the text addresses, or else the other sections should be reworked into ===Sexual slavery in Christian countries=== and ===Sexual slavery in Buddhist and Shintoist countries===. I favor the former course of action. — Charles P. (Mirv) 21:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment). He's not interested in arguments, and will stick to his preconceived opinion in the face of any opposition. In this article, he's adding a huge amount of material, most of which has little direct relevance, and which seriously overbalances the text towards the position in Islam. Other editors should try to get through to him using reason, by all means, but be aware that in the end simply editing the article away from his prejudices is likely to be the only solution. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:24, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment).
I could be wrong. If this is true and can be sourced, it would make an interesting footnote to the article. — Charles P. (Mirv) 07:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the section about modern day sexual slavery. Its headings currently read: 1 Modern-day sexual slavery, 1.1 Forced prostitution, 1.2 Sexual slavery in Africa, 1.3 Sexual slavery in the Middle East, and then the next section is 2 Sexual slavery in the past, 2.1 Sexual slavery in North America, etc.
The way this reads from skimming, is that sexual slavery is a thing in Africa and the Middle East, and USED to be a problem in North America, etc. Especially when the first sentence of the North American bit is "In the mid-19th century in the U.S., there was a white slavery scare..."
When I first read this article awhile ago, I'd thought sexual slavery was a thing of the past, and skimming this article served to reinforce that. It wasn't until I read it more thoroughly that I realized it's a modern problem, and that Westernized nations seem to be responsible for the bulk of it.
I think the sections can be reorganized and revamped a bit, but I'm not sure of the best way to do this. For instance, we should have some consistency in the sections. Perhaps "Forced Prostitution" should be its own section, and then a bit for "Sexual slavery in North America, Europe, and Asia" could be added under "Modern-day sexual slavery". Otherwise, a quick scan makes it seem like it's only a problem in Africa and the Middle East.
Also, I think the historical bit about North American slavery should be inverted, first talking about the reality of sexual slavery, then about the "white slavery scare". It shouldn't require a lengthy reading to learn that forced sex was a real problem for black slaves in the United States, and that fact shouldn't be depicted as less relevant than the fact that white people were scared of their wives and children being sold into sexual slavery.
Also, can we move this picture off the talk page? It's really old news now, and distracting to the discussion. Aaronwinborn 15:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
In Roald Dahl's book, Going Solo, he describes seeing a boat full of women while on his way to Africa. He is told that these women are being sent to Benito Mussolini to be sex slaves. Please add this into the article.
It might have sounded kooky, and needs a lot more fact-checking before being put back up, but there is something to this ex-section:
Marketic has indeed filed a lawsuit against a Los Angeles 'talent agency' and certain Brunei royals, relating to the hiring of American women for sexual purposes. -- Perey 11:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Namely in the section: Due to the illegal nature of trafficking, the exact extent is unknown. However, we know these crimes are being committed world-wide by organized criminals. Much of this continues to happen due to meek punishments in the court systems. Many criminals accused of slave trafficking have gotten off with community service. It is also persisting, because no one is actually doing anything to stop it. In many countries it is supported rather than discontinued. I'm not disputing what it says, but it needs (a) to be rewritten in a less biased way, such as the we know these crimes..., and (b) references. It's related to the previous tag of references needed. I've tried to help, but the section needs more careful attention than I've been able to give. - Aaronwinborn 02:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Christian History & Biography Issue 90, Spring 2006 has a three page article about the fight against sexual trafficking on pages 43-45. It is primarily in the form of bios of three women, Josephine Butler, Katherine Bushnell, and Florence Booth, wife of William Booth who were active in the campaign against it. But it would certainly let us start the "Europe in the past" sub-section that is completely missing. If I haven't gotten back and built that section in a couple weeks, come tap me on the shoulder. GRBerry 03:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that until relatively recently marriage allowed for a woman to be a sex slave since she had no legal right to refuse sex and a husband could not be prosecuted for raping his wife. There may even still be religious groups that oppose criminalising forced sex in a marriage.
This is main reason say nothing about sex slavery till this age. It was not sex slavery. It was normal. And now women are really free and a man can not demand any sex service even from his wife. This is main reason of growing interest to such things now I think. Qqzzccdd 18:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is not discussing arranged marriages, forced marriages, or rape with in marriage and legality or illegality of such an action. --SelfStudyBuddy 09:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
>Sexual slavery in East and Southeast Asia during World War II When you use the word "slavery", you should prove they were forced by Japanese Government or Armed forces. Can you do this? As long as I understand any accusations about this matter are baseless. Please give us the proof! or Stop propagate the demagogy.
>During World War II, hundreds of thousands of mostly Asian women were recruited into serving the Japanese army as prostitutes,
>euphemistically named "comfort women," in the wartime brothels of Asia during the Japanese occupation of China, This is not unique phenomena in Japanese Army. Even The United States Army had the same system as "comfort women". But nobody can not call it "slavery",far from it. -- 61.209.169.202 11:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
At least we should indicate both Korean's Recognition & Japanese's Recognition. One side propaganda is not fair.-- 202.239.229.7 04:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
See this oldid. I've redirected that article to point here, but the content might be useful. — coel acan — 04:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I propose that the part of this page dealing with modern sex trafficking be moved to, well, :) "Sex Trafficking."
The term sexual slavery is accurate to be sure, and used more as a description of what is occurring as opposed to the term itself. Sethie 21:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
You know, like an abmush in a dark alley? I read about a scenario where this [almost] happened in a fan fiction, and I was wondering if it ever occurs in real life... -- Luigifan 02:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-Bill-
January, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.201.225 ( talk) 00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Ran across this particular page and came to the conclusion that this page needs a serious re-write from numerous failures to observe NPOV, from allowing one's social bias to affect edits to a sentence or two that (regarding Israel in the middle east section) that links to a news artical that does not at all back up the claim made in the initial statement linked to that article. Understandably, this is a very sensitive issue to many folks, but that simply means that maintaining NPOV is all the more important for it. 68.2.34.10 00:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree especially this statement: The term "sex worker" itself is rejected by the advocates of anti-slavery laws, who argue that women cannot choose sex as an economic activity, and claim it is the criminal networks and customer demand that are the driving forces, not economic necessity.
I think everyone is against SLAVERY, perhaps it should be reworded to "anti-prostitution" laws? The wording of that statement seems to be EXTREMELY biased. If you went to Las Vegas and asked the prostitutes if they were anti-SLAVERY, I'm pretty sure they would say yes. Now ask them if they are against prostitution? I doubt it.
As initial poster of this topic I came back some months later to see how this is going, it's getting better, thankfully, but I suspect we may need to keep an eye on this for a bit longer. 68.230.117.77 ( talk) 06:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
News article at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88102060&ft=1&f=1
"Author Struggles to Stay Removed from Slave Trade"
"Day to Day, March 11, 2008 · With $50 and a plane ticket to Haiti, one can buy a slave. This was just one of the difficult lessons writer Benjamin Skinner learned while researching his book, A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery." Includes audio interview.
Have not read book but was surprised by lack of mention of slavery / sex slavery in Haiti on wikipedia.
Is this issue wide spread enough to warrant a mention on the Haiti and or the slavery articles?
I have included a copy of the article in case link gets broken. Source is [3]
79.69.99.242 ( talk) 15:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Skinner met with slaves and traffickers in 12 different countries, filling in the substance around a startling fact: there are more slaves on the planet today than at any time in human history. Skinner speaks with Anthony Brooks about his experience researching slavery.
Though now illegal throughout the world, slavery is more or less the same as it was hundreds of years ago, Skinner explains. Slaves are still "those that are forced to work under threat of violence for no pay beyond sustenance."
Something disturbing has changed however — the price of a human. After adjusting for inflation, Skinner found that, "In 1850, a slave would cost roughly $30,000 to $40,000 — in other words it was like investing in a Mercedes. Today you can go to Haiti and buy a 9-year-old girl to use as a sexual and domestic slave for $50. The devaluation of human life is incredibly pronounced."
Skinner obtained this specific figure through a very hands-on process. In the fall of 2005, he visited Haiti, which has one of the highest concentrations of slaves anywhere in the world.
"I pulled up in a car and rolled down the window," he recalls. "Someone said, 'Do you want to get a person?'"
Though the country was in a time of political chaos, the street where he met the trafficker was clean and relatively quiet. A tape of the conversation reveals a calm, concise transaction. He was initially told he could get a 9-year-old sex partner/house slave for $100, but he bargained it down to $50.
"The thing that struck me more than anything afterwards was how incredibly banal the transaction was. It was as if I was negotiating on the street for a used stereo."
In the end, he agreed on the price, but told the trader not to make any moves.
"When I was talking to traffickers, I had a principle that I wouldn't pay for human life," he says.
This principle enabled him to keep a certain distance from the system, but not giving in to the temptation to free a suffering human being was an emotionally taxing struggle, he says.
"It's one thing when you are planning an effort like this, this is a work of journalism — I'm not going to interfere with my subjects. It's another thing when you are in an underground brothel in Bucharest, who has this girl with Down Syndrome, who you know is undergoing rape several times a day. When this girl is offered to me in trade for a used car ... I walk away ... it's not an easy thing to do," he says.
At one point, he did violate his principal — helping a mother free her daughter from slavery. He says he does not regret his decision, however, and continues to track her progress through a local NGO in Haiti. She's now in school, he says, and wrote him a letter over Christmas.
Slavery consumes Skinner, he says.
"When I come back to a nice loft in Brooklyn and I have to think about writing this thing — that drove me. I knew that I had to write as compelling a book as possible. This is a life-long commitment for me."
Excerpt: 'A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery'
Book Cover Courtesy of Simon and Schuster
Chapter 1: The Riches of the PoorFor our purposes, let's say that the center of the moral universe is in Room S-3800 of the UN Secretariat, Manhattan. From here, you are some five hours from being able to negotiate the sale, in broad daylight, of a healthy boy or girl. Your slave will come in any color you like, as Henry Ford said, as long as it's black. Maximum age: fifteen. He or she can be used for anything. Sex or domestic labor are the most frequent uses, but it's up to you.
Before you go, let's be clear on what you are buying. A slave is a human being who is forced to work through fraud or threat of violence for no pay beyond subsistence. Agreed? Good. You may have thought you missed your chance to own a slave. Maybe you imagined that slavery died along with the 360,000 Union soldiers whose blood fertilized the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment. Perhaps you assumed that there was meaning behind the dozen international conventions banning the slave trade, or that the deaths of 30 million people in world wars had spread freedom across the globe.
But you're in luck. By our mere definition, you are living at a time when there are more slaves than at any point in history. If -you're going to buy one in five hours, however, you've really got to stop navel—gazing over things like law and the moral advance of humanity. Get a move on.
First, hail a taxi to JFK International Airport. If you choose the Queensboro Bridge to the Brooklyn—Queens Expressway, the drive should take under an hour. With no baggage, you'll speed through security in time to make a direct flight to Port au Prince, Haiti. Flying time: three hours.
The final hour is the strangest. After disembarking, you will cross the tarmac to the terminal where drummers in vodou getup and a dancing midget greet you with song. Based on Transportation Security Administration warnings posted in the departure terminal at JFK, you might expect abject chaos at Toussaint L'Ouverture Airport. Instead, you find orderly lines leading to the visa stamp, no bribes asked, a short wait for your bag, then a breeze through customs. Outside the airport, the cabbies and porters will be aggressive, but not threatening. Assuming you speak no Creole, find an English—speaking porter and offer him $20 to translate for the day.
Ask your translator to hail the most common form of transport, a tap-tap, a flatbed pickup retrofitted with benches and a brightly colored canopy. You will have to take a couple of these, but they only cost 10 gourdes (25 cents) each. Usually handpainted with signs in broken English or Creole, tap-taps often include the words my god or jesus. my god -it's my life reads one; another announces welcome to jesus. Many are ornate, featuring windshields covered in frill, doodads, and homages to such figures as Che Guevara, Ronaldinho, or reggae legend Gregory Isaacs. The -driver's navigation is based on memory, instinct. There will be no air conditioning. Earplugs are useful, as the sound system, which cost more than the rig itself, will make your chest vibrate with the beats of Haitian pop and American hip-hop. Up to twenty people may accompany you: five square inches on a wooden bench will miraculously accommodate a woman with a posterior the size of a tractor tire. Prepare your spine.
You'll want to head up Route de Delmas toward the suburb of Pétionville, where many of the -country's wealthiest thirty families—who control the -nation's economy—maintain a pied—à-terre. As you drive southeast away from the sea, the smells change from rotting fish to rotting vegetables. Exhaust fumes fill the air. You'll pass a billboard featuring a smiling girl in pigtails and the words: Give me your hand. Give me tomorrow. Down with Child Servitude. Chances are, like the majority of Haitians, you -can't read French or Creole. Like them, you ignore the sign.
Heading out of the airport, -you'll pass two UN peacekeepers, one with a Brazilian patch, the other with an Argentine flag. As you pass the blue helmets, smile, wave, and receive dumbfounded stares in return. The United Nations also has Jordanians and Peruvians here, parked in APVs fifteen minutes northwest, along the edge of the hyperviolent Cité Soleil slum, the poorest and most densely populated six square miles in the poorest and most densely populated country in the hemisphere. The peacekeepers -don't go in much, neither do the national police. If they do, the gangsters that run the place start shooting. Best to steer clear, although you'd get a cheap price on children there. You might even get offered a child gratis.
You'll notice the streets of the Haitian capital are, like the tap—taps, overstuffed, banged up, yet colorful. The road surfaces range from bad to terrible, and grind even the toughest SUVs down to the chassis. Parts of Delmas are so steep that the truck may sputter and die under the exertion.
Port au Prince was built to accommodate about 150,000 people, and hasn't seen too many centrally planned upgrades since 1804. Over the last fifty years, some 2 million people, a quarter of the nation's population, have arrived from the countryside. They've brought their animals. Chickens scratch on side streets, and boys lead prizefighting cocks on string leashes. Monstrously fat black pigs root in sooty, putrid garbage piled eight feet high on street corners or even higher in enormous pits that drop off sidewalks and wind behind houses.
A crowd swells out of a Catholic church broadcasting a fervent mass. Most Haitians are Catholic. Despite the efforts of Catholic priests, most also practice vodou. In the countryside, vodou is often all they practice.
The foregoing is excerpted from from the first chapter of A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery by Ben Skinner. All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced without written permission from Simon & Schuster.
This is not covered in the existing article. I've dug up some references from the BBC, but this should not be considered sufficient as a single source is always potentially unreliable. I have excluded the stories involving Goreans, as that would just confuse the issue. I might write this in, if nobody else wants to, but my writing isn't that great on this kind of stuff. [4] [5] [6] -- trafficking treaty [7] [8] [9] [10] -- Personal account [11] -- Personal account [12] -- Rescue operation [13] -- Southwest England [14] [15] -- Operation Pentameter [16] -- The selling of British Women to other countries [17] -- BBC investigation [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
I'll also throw in these links, as they are the key organizations involved. Some are pointed to by the above, but many of the links in the news stories no longer work as given and required a little hunting to find where the pages are now. [24] -- Operation Pentameter 2, Homepage [25] -- UK Human Trafficking Centre [26] -- POPPY Project [27] Helen Bamber Foundation [28] ECPAT UK
Provided substantiating material is found, this should be enough for quite a reasonable write-up. Just be warned that if it is left up to me, the write-up won't be easy to follow and will read about as easily as a quantum physics textbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.216.187.178 ( talk) 05:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
These will be obvious to most editors well-read in policy. This article and its use of sources displays a strong cultural bias towards western concepts of sex and power, also focusing on a pro-victim advocacy slant. I have started to eliminate some of these biases, but will need help from other editors. forestPIG (grunt) 02:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Most importantly, the content on the white slavery page is random and patchy, and completely superseded by this page. Secondarily, the term "white slavery" is extremely outdated, and arguably racist (implying that slaves are non-white by definition, and only when they are white must it be specified as unusual - which is of course historically inaccurate). Of course, some would argue other perspectives on the term, but there is no reason to waste time arguing when there is a perfectly good alternate term to use, i.e., "sexual slavery." Vcrs ( talk) 03:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Proceeding with merge. Sunray ( talk) 07:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work, I have tried to restructure the article along those lines
The article still needs a lot of work, but i hope the restructuring will help. I will do some work on this in the next couple of weeks, all help welcome.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 20:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The following section was in the article (very long and detailed). I dont have time to work through it now... maybe we can create a own article for sexual slavery in Cambodia??? Anyway, its below, if anybody would like to work on it or move it back into the article.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 19:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Sex Trafficking in Cambodia Human Security approach as a solution to the problem Human Security Goals
Consistency with the portfolio diversification strategy in Cambodia
I have tried to separate the two out. The line is fluent, but I think there is a distinction. Forced Prostitution really deserves its own article, as there is lots more detail that could be added. Having said that, I think this article should always maintain a forced prostitution section and explain how the two link. -- SasiSasi ( talk) 20:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sexual slavery's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Paul":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
fixed-- SasiSasi ( talk) 17:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I have created an article for forced prostitution. Much of the detail that was in the Forced prostitution section at the end of this article has been moved to Forced prostitution. Once the forced prostitution article is more developed I will add a proper summary into this article.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 17:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a section could be added on unorganized sex slavery. Individual criminals who trick or abduct girls and then hold them for man years. -- Heiss93 ( talk) 04:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The article does not in principle exclude individuals who abduct or trick girls into sexual slavery. We can add more info on this type of sexual slavery if we find sources. Do you have any in mind or do you know any sources that might be suitable? As it goes finding sources on especially contemporary sexual slavery is not that easy.-- SasiSasi ( talk) 06:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there nothing of sex slavery before the arabs, or did it start from there onwards? Faro0485 ( talk) 00:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I am temporarily disabling the first intro section until someone cleans up up (text SEVERELY overlaps). Thanks 69.204.225.103 ( talk) 02:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is spousal rape, or any sort of rape for that matter, in this article? Rape is not the same as slavery. This cannot be an article about all forms of sexual misconduct. Unless there is some source specifically stating that spousal rape is a form of slavery, this section should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.29.19 ( talk) 03:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
If a woman is, during a continuous period of time, in a position of repeatedly not being able to refuse sex, of having lost her sexual autonomy, than it is a form of sexual slavery. This fits the definition of sexual slavery. Read that section, it explains it clearly, and read the whole article. 188.25.225.254 ( talk) 04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've had a read now, and here's my take: Spousal rape is often a situation in which the victim is kept under long-term subjugation for the purpose of non-consensual sex (especially in countries in which women have fewer rights, either legal or practical, than in the Western world), and it is rarely a single event (see ref 44: "such instances are rarely a one-off, but a repeated if not frequent occurance"). So I think that fits the definition of Sexual Slavery quite well, and I don't think a reference that explicitly says so is needed. -- Boing! said Zebedee 04:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
User: 71.187.29.19: It is very clear. I'm sorry you don't understand it. And you can't remove a whole section without consensus, and you have no consensus right now. 188.25.225.254 ( talk) 04:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Free love is the exact opposite of sexual slavery. "Free" and "slavery" don't go together. Why sexual slavery is included in the category group I have no idea, but I'm going to fix that right now ```` User:Eman91 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.22.245.150 ( talk) 01:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
"It is most common in areas such as Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East." First of all, "the Middle East" is in Asia and arguably Africa. Second of all, the above listing includes MOST OF THE EARTH--most of the people on Earth live in Asia, for that matter.
Can that be replaced by something which contains actual information? Note that, although I didn't tag it, it's also unreferenced. I'm not an expert and can't speak with authority on where sexual slavery is really found, but that's just a non-useful sentence. CarlFink ( talk) 23:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Added new information on sex slavery in USA - courtesy TIP report released 6/14 by US Dept. of State. Sourcing information was not included, as I couldn't get the formatting to work well. If this becomes an issue, please find sources from http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2010/142761.htm
Thesocialearth ( talk) 18:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Thesocialearth ( talk) 18:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Was wondering, as the article just covers the badguys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.165.230 ( talk) 02:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)