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Discuss the proposed name change here.
We need to reconcile this with the "category:sexaul anatomy". -- Fplay 14:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Apologies if there is a better, higher-level forum for discussion of this issue. I've looked over a great deal of the wikipedia pages about human genitalia, as well as the wiki commons photos in those categories. One of the most striking aspects is that almost all of the photos are of "white" people (or caucasians or people of recent European ancestry if you prefer). Obviously, wikipedia can't go around commissioning photos of a more diverse set of genitalia, but this is a problem that needs to be addressed somehow. Wikipedia is for all of humanity and is supposed to be about all of humanity. I realize that white people are probably the vast majority of readers and contributors to the English language wikipedia, but there really needs to be an effort to show a much greater variety of genitalia. The disparity is greatest in terms of the "racial" diversity of genital images. However, just as important, is simple structural diversity. There is high variability among genital appearances, even when restricted to totally functional genitals. There are all sorts of sizes and shapes of penises and foreskins and labia and clitorises, etc. It is misleading and unjust to include only a few images of genitalia, especially when they tend to be white and tend to be within a fairly narrow range of what is considered "normal". This true of all parts of the human body, but is especially true for genitals because, unlike faces, people don't readily see others' genitals and so they aren't exposed to the same diversity in their daily lives. The importance of this is further magnified because of the relatively high importance of genitals to people's identity and self esteem. For example, many studies have shown that increased penis length is associated with higher self-esteem, at least in the US in recent times. This is totally a cultural value and is not universal in time or space. If there were a broader understanding and acceptance of diversity of genital appearance, I think that a lot of people might feel better about themselves and their sexuality and would be more positive about variability in others as well. See wikipedia pages about labiaplasty and vaginoplasty for more info (though way too brief) about the normalization of genitalia and the increasingly narrow definition of what is considered normal and beautiful or sexy. -- Prepuce4Life ( talk) 08:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Although I have no argument with a strictly biological definition, it is by no means the only or "right" definition. For many people -- both in the US and around the world -- "sex" is not just for the same of reproduction, and does not always, necessarily, or exclusively involve reproductive organs. Slrubenstein
On the second tentacle, maybe there should be some mention of the reproductive organs of some lower life-forms? Plants and stuff, you know. A link at the very least. Cimon avaro P.S. just musing, you know.
Just wanted to point out that there is an indirect self-link... -- Sgeo | Talk 00:18, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
there needs to be an actual page about the reproductive system that is used for reproduction, not just the sex-related organs.
Is there any particular reason for the recent removal of some references to the foreskin? It's almost as if the article were undergoing circumcision! --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 13:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree that it would be a good idea to depersonalize. The claim that a nonretracting foreskin is ipso facto dysfunctional is simply false, although it can sometimes be a symptom of serious conditions (especially when acquired). Penile cancer is a very, very rare disease; I'm not aware of any modern medical body that recommends medical treatment of a healthy, functioning penis as a preventive against this disease.
To return to the personal for an instant, I'm in my late forties and have never had any problem with my penis. I have a normal sex life and no personal hygiene problems. --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 04:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hmm. You people seem to be more or less argueing over which is better, but in my eyes, there's no big difference. No benefits, no losses (except the foreskin). As for penile cancer, there is no actual proof that circumsision prevents it. In short, they're both still a penis. -- Anonymous
I have removed the link to the image of a man's erect penis. As well as possibly offending people, it may cause repulsion of a different kind too; namely in its unsightliness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.67.69 ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
While I don't have a problem with the image per se, I do think it is randomly thrown-in. If this is a discussion of male and female sex organs, why only are only male human sex organs shown. Why aren't insect or mammalian sexual organs also displayed or mentioned? There are plenty of pictures of penises available at the article this page links to. Erect or not the picture doesn't belong here though it does belong in wikipedia. Reflex Reaction 20:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. But this should have images of both the vagina and penis in it, because these are the most commonly recognized sex organs. Animal and plant sex organs should also be included. As for the image of an erect penis, just put a picture of one in a flaccid state in. If you check out the article on 'Penis', it has images of both flaccid and erect penis' in it, so why not putting them here? Also note if the penis is circumsised or uncircumsised, as they both are common. Try to put in the 4 images of the uncircumsised and circumsised, flaccid and erect penis' into the article if you want to. Because the Penis can have so much variation to it, it may be hard to stop people from trying to 'balance it out', which would either reduce the page down to a minimum amount of images or make it seem just disturbing and cluttered. --anonymous
ha ha - you really have an "flower image" as picture for sex organs? -- 93.221.216.207 ( talk) 22:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Everything from fungi to plants to animals have sex organs, and yet we have this page, which narrowly explores the human sex organs with minor lip-service to the existence of anything else. I'd like to remove this bias and expand the coverage, but I'd like to get opinions on the best way to do that. We could:
Thoughts?
Here's what I have in mind for the flowering plant section, just to give an idea:
Reproductive_system includes all sex organs. Biology experts there try to merge this article into reproductive system. Lara_bran 13:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I rempoved the "citation needed"-template for brain differentiation, because it is only a summary of what is said about that in Sexual differentiation and its subpages, e.g. Sex and intelligence and Biology of gender. I prefer the template is better placed at the individual differentiation, because there are two many examples of the phenomenon to put the it all into dispute. Mikael Häggström 07:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Human height#Listing of female and male. 68.163.233.173 21:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a special name for the entire external male reproductive apparatus? Penis and scrotum each refer only to specific parts of it. Is there a word for these 2 parts viewed as a whole? (Please excuse my obsession with precise definitions.) Bostoner ( talk) 19:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
1. The female reproductive organ is the ovary. 2. The major parts of the reproductive system are: ovary,uterus,fallopian tubes and cervix... 3. The female has two ovaries. Each ovary is attached on either sides of the uterus. 4. The arms of the fallopian tubes of the uterus cervix over to meet the ovaries. 5. Ovaries make and store one or egg cell. 6. The release of an ovum or egg cell from the ovary is called ovulation.. -------------------- Remember: All of these info/s are true.... make use of my post and yuo will get perfect in your science quiz... this info/s are for grades 3-6.... and other grades whe nthey have this articles.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psalm345 ( talk • contribs) 10:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't think so, regardless of how it's used. The closest you could get is the cloaca in certain species if the suggestion about human-centrism is ever acted on. Yellowdesk60 ( talk) 07:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I changed the image to File:Pubic hair.jpg but found out that this image file is restricted to prevent it from being used in articles it doesn't belong. I have made a request to allow this image to be used in this article. I is a better counterpart to the male image that is used in the article. 72.95.95.102 ( talk) 02:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
The vaginal entrance may be just about visible, but the vagina itself is not pictured, therefore the picture should be relabelled as depicting the female vulva, rather than the vagina.
The article speaks about the primary sexual organs as the organs visible at the outside and of the secundary organs as being the gonads ie not visible. Embryologically however the body starts with the gonads that produce the hormones necessary to form the other sexual organs. These are therefore the primary sexual organs. -- DrJos ( talk) 11:06, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Although as a male editor, I can very much appreciate (blushing) the photo depicted of the female genitals used herein, wouldn't this article be more accurately represented by using a photo depicting a Naturally Unshaven woman's vagina?
I personally think it should be changed to display a grown woman's naturally unshaven pubic area.
Any thoughts to this? Greetings! Dijcks HotTub Pool 20:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that particularly in the English language, some of the most offensive swear words are synonyms for genitals i.e. cunt. Why are genitals considered so offensive? Pass a Method talk 11:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Iztwoz, regarding this, " primary sexual characteristic" redirects to this article. So it seems best to keep it in the lead. It seems to have been added to the lead per WP:Alternative title. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 14:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I reverted ArnoldReinhold on this edit because "genitalia" does not only refer to the external genitalia (the Sex organ article makes this clear), and there can be no doubt that people are not only thinking about the vulva when they read or hear "female genitalia"; they are thinking about the vagina as well. In fact, given how much more attention the vagina gets (including when it comes to female genital terminology), many people are more likely thinking about the vagina than the vulva when they read or hear "female genitalia." Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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A sex organ (also called a reproductive organ, primary sex organ or primary sexual characteristic) is any anatomical part of the body in a complex organism that is involved in sexual reproduction and together constitute the reproductive system. The external and visible organs, in males and females, are the primary sex organs known as the genitals or genitalia. The internal organs are known as the secondary sex organs[not in citation given][1][2] and are sometimes referred to as the internal genitalia. The characteristics that begin to appear during puberty, such as, in humans, pubic hair on both sexes and facial hair on the male, are known as secondary sex characteristics.
The secondary sex organs are known as the primary sex characteristics - see ref - the secondary sex characteristics has a linked page. It may be muddling but i didn't come up with the terminology. I shall restore my edit which is correct information as i read it. If another editor can produce a different reference giving different information then they are of course more than welcome to change the material and add the ref. -- Iztwoz ( talk) 22:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Iztwoz is correct about primary vs. secondary. Look at sources on the matter via regular Google or Google Books. I should have fixed that content much sooner, but I didn't pay attention to the backwards nature of what was there until now. Also, primary vs. secondary is something that is addressed lower in the article. Given that sources are clear to mention primary vs. secondary, and the lower part of the article does as well, the lead should mention something about it. And to reduce confusion, Iztwoz removed the "secondary sex organs are known as the primary sex characteristics" part. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, for why "primary sexual characteristics" was mentioned in the lead, see the #"Primary sexual characteristic" term discussion above. The term redirects here (to the Sex organ article) because the visible sex organs (or just the sex organs altogether) are considered the primary sexual characteristics. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Jeni'tulz. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. gnu 57 18:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
This article has too much of a focus on humans. CycoMa ( talk) 20:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
CycoMa, do I have it right that you intend to make a genitalia article? That is extremely unnecessary since this sex organ article exists. I point you to WP:REDUNDANTFORK. If you create it, I'll request a merge. GBFEE ( talk) 19:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
In other words, there isn't even one benefit to having a genitalia article as separate from the sex organ article. GBFEE ( talk) 19:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Mammals are merely a minority in the animal kingdom. CycoMa ( talk) 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm curious 58.227.208.200 ( talk) 16:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Discuss the proposed name change here.
We need to reconcile this with the "category:sexaul anatomy". -- Fplay 14:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Apologies if there is a better, higher-level forum for discussion of this issue. I've looked over a great deal of the wikipedia pages about human genitalia, as well as the wiki commons photos in those categories. One of the most striking aspects is that almost all of the photos are of "white" people (or caucasians or people of recent European ancestry if you prefer). Obviously, wikipedia can't go around commissioning photos of a more diverse set of genitalia, but this is a problem that needs to be addressed somehow. Wikipedia is for all of humanity and is supposed to be about all of humanity. I realize that white people are probably the vast majority of readers and contributors to the English language wikipedia, but there really needs to be an effort to show a much greater variety of genitalia. The disparity is greatest in terms of the "racial" diversity of genital images. However, just as important, is simple structural diversity. There is high variability among genital appearances, even when restricted to totally functional genitals. There are all sorts of sizes and shapes of penises and foreskins and labia and clitorises, etc. It is misleading and unjust to include only a few images of genitalia, especially when they tend to be white and tend to be within a fairly narrow range of what is considered "normal". This true of all parts of the human body, but is especially true for genitals because, unlike faces, people don't readily see others' genitals and so they aren't exposed to the same diversity in their daily lives. The importance of this is further magnified because of the relatively high importance of genitals to people's identity and self esteem. For example, many studies have shown that increased penis length is associated with higher self-esteem, at least in the US in recent times. This is totally a cultural value and is not universal in time or space. If there were a broader understanding and acceptance of diversity of genital appearance, I think that a lot of people might feel better about themselves and their sexuality and would be more positive about variability in others as well. See wikipedia pages about labiaplasty and vaginoplasty for more info (though way too brief) about the normalization of genitalia and the increasingly narrow definition of what is considered normal and beautiful or sexy. -- Prepuce4Life ( talk) 08:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Although I have no argument with a strictly biological definition, it is by no means the only or "right" definition. For many people -- both in the US and around the world -- "sex" is not just for the same of reproduction, and does not always, necessarily, or exclusively involve reproductive organs. Slrubenstein
On the second tentacle, maybe there should be some mention of the reproductive organs of some lower life-forms? Plants and stuff, you know. A link at the very least. Cimon avaro P.S. just musing, you know.
Just wanted to point out that there is an indirect self-link... -- Sgeo | Talk 00:18, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
there needs to be an actual page about the reproductive system that is used for reproduction, not just the sex-related organs.
Is there any particular reason for the recent removal of some references to the foreskin? It's almost as if the article were undergoing circumcision! --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 13:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree that it would be a good idea to depersonalize. The claim that a nonretracting foreskin is ipso facto dysfunctional is simply false, although it can sometimes be a symptom of serious conditions (especially when acquired). Penile cancer is a very, very rare disease; I'm not aware of any modern medical body that recommends medical treatment of a healthy, functioning penis as a preventive against this disease.
To return to the personal for an instant, I'm in my late forties and have never had any problem with my penis. I have a normal sex life and no personal hygiene problems. --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 04:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hmm. You people seem to be more or less argueing over which is better, but in my eyes, there's no big difference. No benefits, no losses (except the foreskin). As for penile cancer, there is no actual proof that circumsision prevents it. In short, they're both still a penis. -- Anonymous
I have removed the link to the image of a man's erect penis. As well as possibly offending people, it may cause repulsion of a different kind too; namely in its unsightliness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.67.69 ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
While I don't have a problem with the image per se, I do think it is randomly thrown-in. If this is a discussion of male and female sex organs, why only are only male human sex organs shown. Why aren't insect or mammalian sexual organs also displayed or mentioned? There are plenty of pictures of penises available at the article this page links to. Erect or not the picture doesn't belong here though it does belong in wikipedia. Reflex Reaction 20:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. But this should have images of both the vagina and penis in it, because these are the most commonly recognized sex organs. Animal and plant sex organs should also be included. As for the image of an erect penis, just put a picture of one in a flaccid state in. If you check out the article on 'Penis', it has images of both flaccid and erect penis' in it, so why not putting them here? Also note if the penis is circumsised or uncircumsised, as they both are common. Try to put in the 4 images of the uncircumsised and circumsised, flaccid and erect penis' into the article if you want to. Because the Penis can have so much variation to it, it may be hard to stop people from trying to 'balance it out', which would either reduce the page down to a minimum amount of images or make it seem just disturbing and cluttered. --anonymous
ha ha - you really have an "flower image" as picture for sex organs? -- 93.221.216.207 ( talk) 22:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Everything from fungi to plants to animals have sex organs, and yet we have this page, which narrowly explores the human sex organs with minor lip-service to the existence of anything else. I'd like to remove this bias and expand the coverage, but I'd like to get opinions on the best way to do that. We could:
Thoughts?
Here's what I have in mind for the flowering plant section, just to give an idea:
Reproductive_system includes all sex organs. Biology experts there try to merge this article into reproductive system. Lara_bran 13:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I rempoved the "citation needed"-template for brain differentiation, because it is only a summary of what is said about that in Sexual differentiation and its subpages, e.g. Sex and intelligence and Biology of gender. I prefer the template is better placed at the individual differentiation, because there are two many examples of the phenomenon to put the it all into dispute. Mikael Häggström 07:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Human height#Listing of female and male. 68.163.233.173 21:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a special name for the entire external male reproductive apparatus? Penis and scrotum each refer only to specific parts of it. Is there a word for these 2 parts viewed as a whole? (Please excuse my obsession with precise definitions.) Bostoner ( talk) 19:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
1. The female reproductive organ is the ovary. 2. The major parts of the reproductive system are: ovary,uterus,fallopian tubes and cervix... 3. The female has two ovaries. Each ovary is attached on either sides of the uterus. 4. The arms of the fallopian tubes of the uterus cervix over to meet the ovaries. 5. Ovaries make and store one or egg cell. 6. The release of an ovum or egg cell from the ovary is called ovulation.. -------------------- Remember: All of these info/s are true.... make use of my post and yuo will get perfect in your science quiz... this info/s are for grades 3-6.... and other grades whe nthey have this articles.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psalm345 ( talk • contribs) 10:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't think so, regardless of how it's used. The closest you could get is the cloaca in certain species if the suggestion about human-centrism is ever acted on. Yellowdesk60 ( talk) 07:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I changed the image to File:Pubic hair.jpg but found out that this image file is restricted to prevent it from being used in articles it doesn't belong. I have made a request to allow this image to be used in this article. I is a better counterpart to the male image that is used in the article. 72.95.95.102 ( talk) 02:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
The vaginal entrance may be just about visible, but the vagina itself is not pictured, therefore the picture should be relabelled as depicting the female vulva, rather than the vagina.
The article speaks about the primary sexual organs as the organs visible at the outside and of the secundary organs as being the gonads ie not visible. Embryologically however the body starts with the gonads that produce the hormones necessary to form the other sexual organs. These are therefore the primary sexual organs. -- DrJos ( talk) 11:06, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Although as a male editor, I can very much appreciate (blushing) the photo depicted of the female genitals used herein, wouldn't this article be more accurately represented by using a photo depicting a Naturally Unshaven woman's vagina?
I personally think it should be changed to display a grown woman's naturally unshaven pubic area.
Any thoughts to this? Greetings! Dijcks HotTub Pool 20:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that particularly in the English language, some of the most offensive swear words are synonyms for genitals i.e. cunt. Why are genitals considered so offensive? Pass a Method talk 11:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Iztwoz, regarding this, " primary sexual characteristic" redirects to this article. So it seems best to keep it in the lead. It seems to have been added to the lead per WP:Alternative title. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 14:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I reverted ArnoldReinhold on this edit because "genitalia" does not only refer to the external genitalia (the Sex organ article makes this clear), and there can be no doubt that people are not only thinking about the vulva when they read or hear "female genitalia"; they are thinking about the vagina as well. In fact, given how much more attention the vagina gets (including when it comes to female genital terminology), many people are more likely thinking about the vagina than the vulva when they read or hear "female genitalia." Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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A sex organ (also called a reproductive organ, primary sex organ or primary sexual characteristic) is any anatomical part of the body in a complex organism that is involved in sexual reproduction and together constitute the reproductive system. The external and visible organs, in males and females, are the primary sex organs known as the genitals or genitalia. The internal organs are known as the secondary sex organs[not in citation given][1][2] and are sometimes referred to as the internal genitalia. The characteristics that begin to appear during puberty, such as, in humans, pubic hair on both sexes and facial hair on the male, are known as secondary sex characteristics.
The secondary sex organs are known as the primary sex characteristics - see ref - the secondary sex characteristics has a linked page. It may be muddling but i didn't come up with the terminology. I shall restore my edit which is correct information as i read it. If another editor can produce a different reference giving different information then they are of course more than welcome to change the material and add the ref. -- Iztwoz ( talk) 22:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Iztwoz is correct about primary vs. secondary. Look at sources on the matter via regular Google or Google Books. I should have fixed that content much sooner, but I didn't pay attention to the backwards nature of what was there until now. Also, primary vs. secondary is something that is addressed lower in the article. Given that sources are clear to mention primary vs. secondary, and the lower part of the article does as well, the lead should mention something about it. And to reduce confusion, Iztwoz removed the "secondary sex organs are known as the primary sex characteristics" part. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, for why "primary sexual characteristics" was mentioned in the lead, see the #"Primary sexual characteristic" term discussion above. The term redirects here (to the Sex organ article) because the visible sex organs (or just the sex organs altogether) are considered the primary sexual characteristics. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Jeni'tulz. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. gnu 57 18:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
This article has too much of a focus on humans. CycoMa ( talk) 20:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
CycoMa, do I have it right that you intend to make a genitalia article? That is extremely unnecessary since this sex organ article exists. I point you to WP:REDUNDANTFORK. If you create it, I'll request a merge. GBFEE ( talk) 19:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
In other words, there isn't even one benefit to having a genitalia article as separate from the sex organ article. GBFEE ( talk) 19:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Mammals are merely a minority in the animal kingdom. CycoMa ( talk) 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm curious 58.227.208.200 ( talk) 16:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)