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Should pitchers such as Mariano Rivera and Francisco Rodríguez be on the list of set-up pitchers. Rodriguez only set up for two seasons, and Rivera only one. Additionally, both pitchers are known for being closers, not set-up men.
The notability standard for the list of notable setup pitchers is the typical one across the hundreds or thousands of such lists across the project. The person is notable, by wp standards. As evidenced either by a wp article, and/or RS refs. And the person belongs in the category -- here, the category of setup pitchers. That is reflected in each case in this list, at the moment, by an appropriate ref which refers to the pitcher as such. See wp:listpeople, and various such lists among those at Lists of people. Lists of this nature are typically non-exclusive; that's the nature of such lists. Obviously -- one need only look at other, similar lists across the Project. No need to delete the list for having that typical characteristic, or to tag-bomb the list. See as an example List of people from Illinois or any other such list to understand how this works at wp, and see wp:listpeople for further discussion, and if you have a problem raise it there.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I've left a note at WT:BASEBALL about this discussion. The list being debated, which I had deleted, can be found here.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's guidance on the notability of lists within articles is applicable in this situation; a member of the list should be sufficiently notable with respect to the subject such that a mention is warranted within the main text of the article. Given the open-ended nature of such a list and the inevitable arguments on whether or not a pitcher is sufficiently notable to be included, I'm uncertain if it adds additional value beyond the existing references within the text to notable examples of setup relievers. A category may be more suitable, with a link to it from this article. isaacl ( talk) 12:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice that my removal of Rodriguez' paragraph was reverted. I would like to note that, despite the newspaper article cited, Rodriguez did not fit the definition of setup reliever provided on this page either during the season or during the playoffs. Did the term have a different definition in 2002? Or was Curry talking out of his rear end because he wasn't familiar with the player (who had only pitched in 5 MLB games before the 2002 postseason)? - Dewelar ( talk) 00:20, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Should pitchers such as Mariano Rivera and Francisco Rodríguez be on the list of set-up pitchers. Rodriguez only set up for two seasons, and Rivera only one. Additionally, both pitchers are known for being closers, not set-up men.
The notability standard for the list of notable setup pitchers is the typical one across the hundreds or thousands of such lists across the project. The person is notable, by wp standards. As evidenced either by a wp article, and/or RS refs. And the person belongs in the category -- here, the category of setup pitchers. That is reflected in each case in this list, at the moment, by an appropriate ref which refers to the pitcher as such. See wp:listpeople, and various such lists among those at Lists of people. Lists of this nature are typically non-exclusive; that's the nature of such lists. Obviously -- one need only look at other, similar lists across the Project. No need to delete the list for having that typical characteristic, or to tag-bomb the list. See as an example List of people from Illinois or any other such list to understand how this works at wp, and see wp:listpeople for further discussion, and if you have a problem raise it there.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I've left a note at WT:BASEBALL about this discussion. The list being debated, which I had deleted, can be found here.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's guidance on the notability of lists within articles is applicable in this situation; a member of the list should be sufficiently notable with respect to the subject such that a mention is warranted within the main text of the article. Given the open-ended nature of such a list and the inevitable arguments on whether or not a pitcher is sufficiently notable to be included, I'm uncertain if it adds additional value beyond the existing references within the text to notable examples of setup relievers. A category may be more suitable, with a link to it from this article. isaacl ( talk) 12:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice that my removal of Rodriguez' paragraph was reverted. I would like to note that, despite the newspaper article cited, Rodriguez did not fit the definition of setup reliever provided on this page either during the season or during the playoffs. Did the term have a different definition in 2002? Or was Curry talking out of his rear end because he wasn't familiar with the player (who had only pitched in 5 MLB games before the 2002 postseason)? - Dewelar ( talk) 00:20, 12 October 2014 (UTC)