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Spaniards?

I'm pretty sure there where no Spaniards back then. Spain and Portugal only came several centuries later. "Celtiberian tribes" would be more correct, but I'm not sure. I am pretty sure "Spaniards" is definitely incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.99.55 ( talk) 17:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC) reply

Sertorius was backed by both Lusitanians and Celtiberians -Hispanics perhaps? Dejvid ( talk) 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC) reply
Neither Hispanics nor Spaniards. Celtiberians is the best term to use.-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 01:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) reply
It was the Lusitanians who initially invited Sertorius to Hispania. Celtiberian support only came later. A term is needed that covers both groups. Hence Cetliberian is in correct except in cases where Celtiberians were exclusively involved. Dejvid ( talk) 12:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC) reply
I also think that saying Spaniards does not make sense in the context. Hispani would be the proper term.-- Xareu bs ( talk) 08:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC) reply
Most historians seem happy with Spaniards but I would not object to Hispanics or Hispani. It does seem to to be a little jargonish so I myself don't intend to make such a change. Dejvid ( talk) 17:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC) reply

Possibly relevant

Noguera, Jaume; Valdés, Pau; Ble, Eduard (2022). "New perspectives on the Sertorian War in northeastern Hispania: archaeological surveys of the Roman camps of the lower River Ebro" (PDF). Journal of Roman Archaeology. 35 (1): 1–32. doi: 10.1017/S1047759422000010. ISSN  1047-7594. Ifly6 ( talk) 19:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Because the article is open access, I suppose the map can also be uploaded with attribution? Ifly6 ( talk) 19:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Konrad "A new chronology of the Sertorian war" Athenaeum 83 (1995) pp 157ff seems now to be the standard chronology, per Brennan PRR (2000) p 504 the careful recent work of Konrad on the chronology – and indeed all other aspects – of the Sertorian War has made extended discussion of many previously thorny problems unnecessary. Brennan however objects to Konrad's years (77–73) and prefers 76–72 on the basis that the senate was unlikely to have prorogued the consuls that long. Ibid pp 504–5. Ifly6 ( talk) 21:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spaniards?

I'm pretty sure there where no Spaniards back then. Spain and Portugal only came several centuries later. "Celtiberian tribes" would be more correct, but I'm not sure. I am pretty sure "Spaniards" is definitely incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.99.55 ( talk) 17:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC) reply

Sertorius was backed by both Lusitanians and Celtiberians -Hispanics perhaps? Dejvid ( talk) 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC) reply
Neither Hispanics nor Spaniards. Celtiberians is the best term to use.-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 01:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) reply
It was the Lusitanians who initially invited Sertorius to Hispania. Celtiberian support only came later. A term is needed that covers both groups. Hence Cetliberian is in correct except in cases where Celtiberians were exclusively involved. Dejvid ( talk) 12:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC) reply
I also think that saying Spaniards does not make sense in the context. Hispani would be the proper term.-- Xareu bs ( talk) 08:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC) reply
Most historians seem happy with Spaniards but I would not object to Hispanics or Hispani. It does seem to to be a little jargonish so I myself don't intend to make such a change. Dejvid ( talk) 17:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC) reply

Possibly relevant

Noguera, Jaume; Valdés, Pau; Ble, Eduard (2022). "New perspectives on the Sertorian War in northeastern Hispania: archaeological surveys of the Roman camps of the lower River Ebro" (PDF). Journal of Roman Archaeology. 35 (1): 1–32. doi: 10.1017/S1047759422000010. ISSN  1047-7594. Ifly6 ( talk) 19:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Because the article is open access, I suppose the map can also be uploaded with attribution? Ifly6 ( talk) 19:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Konrad "A new chronology of the Sertorian war" Athenaeum 83 (1995) pp 157ff seems now to be the standard chronology, per Brennan PRR (2000) p 504 the careful recent work of Konrad on the chronology – and indeed all other aspects – of the Sertorian War has made extended discussion of many previously thorny problems unnecessary. Brennan however objects to Konrad's years (77–73) and prefers 76–72 on the basis that the senate was unlikely to have prorogued the consuls that long. Ibid pp 504–5. Ifly6 ( talk) 21:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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