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the order could not have been issued in 1939 for a simple reason, there was no People's Commissariat for State Security in 1939 and Ivan Serov was in Ukraine. `' mikka (t) 06:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I have also found a reference for order # 001158 by June 27, 1941, which matches numbering and time frame. Need more research. `' mikka (t) 06:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
The 1939 date seems to come from the These Names Accuse published in 1951. Looking more... `' mikka (t) 06:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
As of now, there is no traces in 'net of new refs to this arreneously dated document. Still looking. `' mikka 02:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
My understanding is that the document was signed by Serov, the Deputy People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR, who, at the time, worked in the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, or NKVD. This would explain why the order was called an NKVD order: [1]. Only when there was an active war going on was NKGB made a separate commissariat. Digwuren 10:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Valge Raamat, a report by the National Committee of Investigating Occupations' Repressive Politics, mentions misdating of the Serov's document on page 13. It does not appear to elaborate, but may give you some sort of lead. Digwuren 18:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I put in the order date from These Names Accuse. (Also, reference tag was missing so weren't getting the ref.) — Pēters J. Vecrumba 14:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I am fine with the "alleged" on the date for now. I do have multiple sources which state the stated date (one day after Lithuania signed its Pact of Mutual Assistance). I'm away from home and will check other materials/follow up when I return. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 17:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I re-read the section of Valge Raamat, this time with some coffee. I think it's saying that in 1939, the deportation orders were prepared for a number of countries, including Poland and Romania, and if I read it correctly, that the order for Baltic countries -- 001223 -- was mistakenly dated to fit in with the rest. Digwuren 07:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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the order could not have been issued in 1939 for a simple reason, there was no People's Commissariat for State Security in 1939 and Ivan Serov was in Ukraine. `' mikka (t) 06:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I have also found a reference for order # 001158 by June 27, 1941, which matches numbering and time frame. Need more research. `' mikka (t) 06:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
The 1939 date seems to come from the These Names Accuse published in 1951. Looking more... `' mikka (t) 06:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
As of now, there is no traces in 'net of new refs to this arreneously dated document. Still looking. `' mikka 02:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
My understanding is that the document was signed by Serov, the Deputy People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR, who, at the time, worked in the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, or NKVD. This would explain why the order was called an NKVD order: [1]. Only when there was an active war going on was NKGB made a separate commissariat. Digwuren 10:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Valge Raamat, a report by the National Committee of Investigating Occupations' Repressive Politics, mentions misdating of the Serov's document on page 13. It does not appear to elaborate, but may give you some sort of lead. Digwuren 18:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I put in the order date from These Names Accuse. (Also, reference tag was missing so weren't getting the ref.) — Pēters J. Vecrumba 14:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I am fine with the "alleged" on the date for now. I do have multiple sources which state the stated date (one day after Lithuania signed its Pact of Mutual Assistance). I'm away from home and will check other materials/follow up when I return. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 17:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I re-read the section of Valge Raamat, this time with some coffee. I think it's saying that in 1939, the deportation orders were prepared for a number of countries, including Poland and Romania, and if I read it correctly, that the order for Baltic countries -- 001223 -- was mistakenly dated to fit in with the rest. Digwuren 07:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)