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This is a very nationalist symbol in Serbia. It is used by extreme right groups, and it is quite offending for everyone not 100% Serbian. Some people consider it similar to the Hooked Cross. I think a note should be added, but I'm not familiar with NPOV stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.221.49 ( talk • contribs)
Not sure why some editors want to add the spray painted image of the cross? To me it seems inappropriate and encyclopedic as it gives a negative connotation for the cross as a street sign was (illegally) vandalized. // Laughing Man 14:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I have included this theory. I think it is best documented and quite reasonable.. I hope you will not be too prompt with deleating it :) Best regards. Drmiko ( talk) 21:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The article as it stands can just be merged into coat of arms of Serbia#History. If the "Serbian cross" has any separate notability, the article is not aware of it. Perhaps if the symbol is used by hardcore Serbian nationalists as a standalone symbol, the article could be salvaged by adding evidence of that. I assume the "spray painted image" was an attempt at doing just that. If this cannot be substantiated, and no references of any kind are added to the article, I suppose I'm just going to merge it. -- dab (𒁳) 14:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
http://romaniatricolor.deviantart.com/art/CoA-Serbian-Cross-Ocilo-258495529 Intriguing... Bigshotnews 09:35, 22 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigshotnews ( talk • contribs)
The current coat of arms of Serbia has four letters beta in its corners. They're exact copies of the betas used in the Palaiologos tetragrammatic cross, in fact the whole cross is copied exactly. They're identical. It's not the letter "s" - it's beta. I suppose people can interpret it any way they want, but I really think it should be made clear what this cross is. It's a widespread misconception (because of how beta is sometimes stylized) that these are Cyrillic letters "s", and that they mean "samo sloga Srbina spašava" or some such nonsense. -- Director ( talk) 01:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
(unindent)I was discussing the same issue with Dbachmann last year [1] during the same month. The Serbian cross does derive from the Byzantine one [2], but I'm not sure if it's related to Dusan's imperial claims or if it's simply a matter of Serbo-Byzantine acculturation.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 11:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The use of the tetragrammatic cross as a symbol of Serbs, and various Serbian entities, originates with its use by the Serbian Orthodox Church. So far as I'm aware, its not known whether Stephen IV Uros Dusan and the Serbian empire used the symbol, and I'd say - probably not, as at the time it was the personal dynastic symbol of the Paleologan dynasty. Then again, its possible that the cross became representative of the imperial throne as such and was therefore used by claimants such as Dusan. Some Serbian authors put forward some really stupid speculative nonsense on that...
Either way, it was used by the Serbian Orthodox Church as its symbol, and therefrom comes its use as a symbol of various Serbian rebellions and entities.
Its use, and especially that of the double-headed eagle, originates from the fundamental notion present among historical Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks that they (being Orthodox nations/kingdoms) are each the "true" successor to the Byzantine Empire, and need to reform it by eventually taking back Istanbul (presumably amid scenes of genocide and/or ethnic cleansing of the Muslims). The Bulgarians and Serbs ofc based this on their Medieval claims to the Imperial title put forth by the rulers of the Bulgarian and Serbian empires respectively. The Serbs had least realistic prospect of achieving this, but the fundamental idea was always there (in contrast Bulgaria nearly did take Istanbul in the First Balkan War). Hence, upon proclaiming itself a kingdom, Serbia took the imperial aquila of the Paleologans as its symbol as well.. sort of "jumping the gun" on the whole "Empire" thing. And the symbol simply remained in use...
Plus, eagles were all the rage back then :). Germany, and especially Austria-Hungary and Russia, had eagles as their imperial symbols. Neighboring Austria was the patron of one Serbian dynasty of the period, Russia of the other, subsequent dynasty, and both had these really "cool" double headed eagle coats of arms. Why not use one yourself? -- Director ( talk) 01:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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This is a very nationalist symbol in Serbia. It is used by extreme right groups, and it is quite offending for everyone not 100% Serbian. Some people consider it similar to the Hooked Cross. I think a note should be added, but I'm not familiar with NPOV stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.221.49 ( talk • contribs)
Not sure why some editors want to add the spray painted image of the cross? To me it seems inappropriate and encyclopedic as it gives a negative connotation for the cross as a street sign was (illegally) vandalized. // Laughing Man 14:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I have included this theory. I think it is best documented and quite reasonable.. I hope you will not be too prompt with deleating it :) Best regards. Drmiko ( talk) 21:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The article as it stands can just be merged into coat of arms of Serbia#History. If the "Serbian cross" has any separate notability, the article is not aware of it. Perhaps if the symbol is used by hardcore Serbian nationalists as a standalone symbol, the article could be salvaged by adding evidence of that. I assume the "spray painted image" was an attempt at doing just that. If this cannot be substantiated, and no references of any kind are added to the article, I suppose I'm just going to merge it. -- dab (𒁳) 14:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
http://romaniatricolor.deviantart.com/art/CoA-Serbian-Cross-Ocilo-258495529 Intriguing... Bigshotnews 09:35, 22 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigshotnews ( talk • contribs)
The current coat of arms of Serbia has four letters beta in its corners. They're exact copies of the betas used in the Palaiologos tetragrammatic cross, in fact the whole cross is copied exactly. They're identical. It's not the letter "s" - it's beta. I suppose people can interpret it any way they want, but I really think it should be made clear what this cross is. It's a widespread misconception (because of how beta is sometimes stylized) that these are Cyrillic letters "s", and that they mean "samo sloga Srbina spašava" or some such nonsense. -- Director ( talk) 01:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
(unindent)I was discussing the same issue with Dbachmann last year [1] during the same month. The Serbian cross does derive from the Byzantine one [2], but I'm not sure if it's related to Dusan's imperial claims or if it's simply a matter of Serbo-Byzantine acculturation.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 11:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The use of the tetragrammatic cross as a symbol of Serbs, and various Serbian entities, originates with its use by the Serbian Orthodox Church. So far as I'm aware, its not known whether Stephen IV Uros Dusan and the Serbian empire used the symbol, and I'd say - probably not, as at the time it was the personal dynastic symbol of the Paleologan dynasty. Then again, its possible that the cross became representative of the imperial throne as such and was therefore used by claimants such as Dusan. Some Serbian authors put forward some really stupid speculative nonsense on that...
Either way, it was used by the Serbian Orthodox Church as its symbol, and therefrom comes its use as a symbol of various Serbian rebellions and entities.
Its use, and especially that of the double-headed eagle, originates from the fundamental notion present among historical Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks that they (being Orthodox nations/kingdoms) are each the "true" successor to the Byzantine Empire, and need to reform it by eventually taking back Istanbul (presumably amid scenes of genocide and/or ethnic cleansing of the Muslims). The Bulgarians and Serbs ofc based this on their Medieval claims to the Imperial title put forth by the rulers of the Bulgarian and Serbian empires respectively. The Serbs had least realistic prospect of achieving this, but the fundamental idea was always there (in contrast Bulgaria nearly did take Istanbul in the First Balkan War). Hence, upon proclaiming itself a kingdom, Serbia took the imperial aquila of the Paleologans as its symbol as well.. sort of "jumping the gun" on the whole "Empire" thing. And the symbol simply remained in use...
Plus, eagles were all the rage back then :). Germany, and especially Austria-Hungary and Russia, had eagles as their imperial symbols. Neighboring Austria was the patron of one Serbian dynasty of the period, Russia of the other, subsequent dynasty, and both had these really "cool" double headed eagle coats of arms. Why not use one yourself? -- Director ( talk) 01:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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