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If there is not a first stept, there won´t be easy go ahead with more posterior steps.
" Even in an area like Quebec, where economic concerns are not part of the separatist argument, support for separation clearly decreases when the economy is doing well."
I can provide sources for those who wish to validate this information before modifying the article. -- Mathieugp 22:16, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Does the Tamils link want to be to the Tamil_people entry? This broken link got flagged as part of Daniel Quinlan's Redirect Project. Thanks Silverfish 19:05, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think Western Sahara aka Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic should be added because they have an active sepratist movement.
"Economics can also be seen in the break up of Czechoslovakia; one of the main causes was Slovakia's reluctance to abandon state-run industries, which were the core of its economy. The Czech Republic was far more prepared to embrace the free market, and thus the countries parted."
Could you please provide some more information or link? This argument was very new and surprising to me. And it skips a lot of history - Slovakia and Czech were separated between 1918 (SK was part of Hungaria, CZ of Austria), during WW2, political differences after WW2 (Communists in CZ, Democrats in SK). Viliam Búr 14:35, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Shouldn't Transnistria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia be listed under Entities which have proclaimed independence, and not merely independence movements? All are functioning independent states, certainly moreso than Palestine. Unless there are objections, I will move them.-- 24.70.31.148 00:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. doing here? They were occupied by the USSR and then regained independence, which means separatism has nothing to do with this. When Hitler occupied part of France and Denmark and Norway you don't say that they all broke off of Germany after the alliance had defeated it, do you?
"Separatism is also often a violent response to a past military takeover." This sentence is misleading, I guess, because by this definition any resistance to occupation might be considered as separatism. Therefore Baltic countries and East Timor are included into separatist list here. I'll correct that if you don't mind. Dirgela 15:13, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Dirgela 18:48, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
No, I see what you're saying. And I apologize for reverting one POV to another. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 22:08, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
Just let me rant a bit about the constant misuse of this word. Disenfranchisement means the removal of the right to vote. No-one has done that to the people of Québec. Therefore, I have replaced the erroneous usage with the word marginalization, which is what I assume the original writer meant.-------------Kelisi 2005/2/3
I have noticed that you mentioned this QUOTE: "The wars erupting with the break-up of Yugoslavia exemplify this, despite constitutional provisions in the former Yugoslavia that theoretically allowed division and referenda", witch utmost incorrect info> I resisted the temptation to rewrite it myself, but unless You do so in the next several weeks, I will be forced to do it myself. The law of The Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia clearly stated that member states CANNOT scede from the federation unless ALL representatives from ALL fractions soundly agree that it should be done (i. e. when Slovenia first decided to scede from the country, only Croatia voted for it, the other four countries didn't at the FIRST request of Slovenian independance). -- Yours respectivly, Yugoslav
Yeah, you're right about KLA, I CAN'T roughly say that they are terorists, but hey, you're WRONG with the Yugoslav matter
I've deleted Montenegro from the separatists of Serbia and Montenegro, there is no organised separative movement in it. Both states have doubts and desire should the union the kept or dissolved, nonetheless it is insignificant due to the much larger number of those supporting the union. I've also added the so-called Republic of Kosova.
You're missing my point. Ther IS NO political group NOR a force. Let me help you out with a metaphore: Two seven-year old kids gather in their courtyard and say: "Do you think that our union should seperate?" and the other says: "i dunno"." And I said that BOTH country's peoples have doubts... nothing self-determinative... only doubts IF they should keep toogether, so there is no poin in listing Montenegro. Sorry about the links, I'll try that in the future (I still haven't got the hang of it) And why did you delete the Republic of Kosova? I've put some more separatist countries (The Republic of Serbian Borderland and The Republic of Kosova, respectivly)
You COMPLETLY missed my point.... again. Never mind that about the seven-year-old kids (by that I meants the citizens of Montenegro that STARTED the separatist process, but nm that now) The Republic of Kosova is one of the unrecognised states (if you haven't noticed I've added it there). Kosovo is administered by the U.S. forces and the Kosovo Protection Corps (second name for the Kosovo Liberation Army, since that name became far too ill-known). And if you said, which is more likely to DIVIDE: Eastern US (under California) and Western US (under Washington) [because ther is no national Montenegrin sence if they should scede from the union, only common people's doubts if it should be kept) or Serbia and Montenegro? I would've said that the United States' Dividation is more likely. I live in Serbia and Montenegro, and there are more Serbian politicians promoting dividation then Montenegrin, so if you're already putting another separatist movement, you should type "Serbia", which is more likely (althoug even that would be idiotish), plus, I don't know why you deleted the Kosovar Liberation Army. I'll add it again. OK? Now hard feelings? Please don't delete it now.
My relatives live in California, and ALL of the people they know hate to admit that they are a part of the United States of America, as it seems, several politicians claim that "it is enough that we are being scourged by the Eastern imperialists of Washington; for we have once led a war for liberation, it is a shame that we are being forced into the same situation". As for Serbia and Montenegro, there are NO political parties which are seriously making this proposal, except just a few TV shows that exist only to oil the people with lies and illusion.
What? No, no! You've got it good this time! (Haven't you noticed that I didn't make any changings this time?) Why should I argue with anything. And I am not making a parallel between Montenegro and California (or Quebec). We'll leave it this way, since both countries want to (although this... OK, OK, "movement" is about to die-out pretty soon) dissolve the union. It is nothing similiat to Quebec at all, since Quebec wants clearly to scede from the state (by ALL means I see [I've read your article, it's quitte detaled]). I mean, if it would be similiar, then it would be something like this: "There are separatist movements in Quebec, but there are also separatist movements in every other province/territory of the country. (figurativly speaking)" since Montenegro OR Serbia don't want to SCEDE from Serbia and Montenegro, they want to dissolve it. I am very surprised that you keep mentioning Montenegro, instead of say... Montenegro and Serbia (if not Serbia and Montenegro since it's already the official name of the union). This is not a movement in which a oart of a country wants to seperate, it is a general "spiritual" presence in the Serbo-Montenegrin people of the question "should the union be kept?". Do you get me know?
(several days later).. ahm..... are you there?
I think the headline on the actual page ought to be changed. Suggesting that an article about separatism be split up into several different articles is the most ridiculous joke I've heard in a while. Wareq 0052 a.m. EST USA
I would like that the authot tell where the hell he found that Tamaulipas, Coahuila and Nuevo Leon all toghether wants to abandon Mexico, because that's an absolute lie, it's urgent to take out that false information from wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lefairh ( talk • contribs)
separatism doesn't exist in modern Croatia.. it appeared only during serbian occupation.. there are only 10 municipalities (and there is total of 120 muncipalities in Croatia) which don't have croatian majority so we can't talk about any type of separatism..
Some kids might be looking at this and saying "What? What's a secessionism?" or "What's a theorizing?". There should at least be Wikids. 2600:1700:DD90:6C6F:CB4:D092:66D1:8AB0 ( talk) 02:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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If there is not a first stept, there won´t be easy go ahead with more posterior steps.
" Even in an area like Quebec, where economic concerns are not part of the separatist argument, support for separation clearly decreases when the economy is doing well."
I can provide sources for those who wish to validate this information before modifying the article. -- Mathieugp 22:16, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Does the Tamils link want to be to the Tamil_people entry? This broken link got flagged as part of Daniel Quinlan's Redirect Project. Thanks Silverfish 19:05, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think Western Sahara aka Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic should be added because they have an active sepratist movement.
"Economics can also be seen in the break up of Czechoslovakia; one of the main causes was Slovakia's reluctance to abandon state-run industries, which were the core of its economy. The Czech Republic was far more prepared to embrace the free market, and thus the countries parted."
Could you please provide some more information or link? This argument was very new and surprising to me. And it skips a lot of history - Slovakia and Czech were separated between 1918 (SK was part of Hungaria, CZ of Austria), during WW2, political differences after WW2 (Communists in CZ, Democrats in SK). Viliam Búr 14:35, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Shouldn't Transnistria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia be listed under Entities which have proclaimed independence, and not merely independence movements? All are functioning independent states, certainly moreso than Palestine. Unless there are objections, I will move them.-- 24.70.31.148 00:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. doing here? They were occupied by the USSR and then regained independence, which means separatism has nothing to do with this. When Hitler occupied part of France and Denmark and Norway you don't say that they all broke off of Germany after the alliance had defeated it, do you?
"Separatism is also often a violent response to a past military takeover." This sentence is misleading, I guess, because by this definition any resistance to occupation might be considered as separatism. Therefore Baltic countries and East Timor are included into separatist list here. I'll correct that if you don't mind. Dirgela 15:13, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Dirgela 18:48, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
No, I see what you're saying. And I apologize for reverting one POV to another. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 22:08, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
Just let me rant a bit about the constant misuse of this word. Disenfranchisement means the removal of the right to vote. No-one has done that to the people of Québec. Therefore, I have replaced the erroneous usage with the word marginalization, which is what I assume the original writer meant.-------------Kelisi 2005/2/3
I have noticed that you mentioned this QUOTE: "The wars erupting with the break-up of Yugoslavia exemplify this, despite constitutional provisions in the former Yugoslavia that theoretically allowed division and referenda", witch utmost incorrect info> I resisted the temptation to rewrite it myself, but unless You do so in the next several weeks, I will be forced to do it myself. The law of The Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia clearly stated that member states CANNOT scede from the federation unless ALL representatives from ALL fractions soundly agree that it should be done (i. e. when Slovenia first decided to scede from the country, only Croatia voted for it, the other four countries didn't at the FIRST request of Slovenian independance). -- Yours respectivly, Yugoslav
Yeah, you're right about KLA, I CAN'T roughly say that they are terorists, but hey, you're WRONG with the Yugoslav matter
I've deleted Montenegro from the separatists of Serbia and Montenegro, there is no organised separative movement in it. Both states have doubts and desire should the union the kept or dissolved, nonetheless it is insignificant due to the much larger number of those supporting the union. I've also added the so-called Republic of Kosova.
You're missing my point. Ther IS NO political group NOR a force. Let me help you out with a metaphore: Two seven-year old kids gather in their courtyard and say: "Do you think that our union should seperate?" and the other says: "i dunno"." And I said that BOTH country's peoples have doubts... nothing self-determinative... only doubts IF they should keep toogether, so there is no poin in listing Montenegro. Sorry about the links, I'll try that in the future (I still haven't got the hang of it) And why did you delete the Republic of Kosova? I've put some more separatist countries (The Republic of Serbian Borderland and The Republic of Kosova, respectivly)
You COMPLETLY missed my point.... again. Never mind that about the seven-year-old kids (by that I meants the citizens of Montenegro that STARTED the separatist process, but nm that now) The Republic of Kosova is one of the unrecognised states (if you haven't noticed I've added it there). Kosovo is administered by the U.S. forces and the Kosovo Protection Corps (second name for the Kosovo Liberation Army, since that name became far too ill-known). And if you said, which is more likely to DIVIDE: Eastern US (under California) and Western US (under Washington) [because ther is no national Montenegrin sence if they should scede from the union, only common people's doubts if it should be kept) or Serbia and Montenegro? I would've said that the United States' Dividation is more likely. I live in Serbia and Montenegro, and there are more Serbian politicians promoting dividation then Montenegrin, so if you're already putting another separatist movement, you should type "Serbia", which is more likely (althoug even that would be idiotish), plus, I don't know why you deleted the Kosovar Liberation Army. I'll add it again. OK? Now hard feelings? Please don't delete it now.
My relatives live in California, and ALL of the people they know hate to admit that they are a part of the United States of America, as it seems, several politicians claim that "it is enough that we are being scourged by the Eastern imperialists of Washington; for we have once led a war for liberation, it is a shame that we are being forced into the same situation". As for Serbia and Montenegro, there are NO political parties which are seriously making this proposal, except just a few TV shows that exist only to oil the people with lies and illusion.
What? No, no! You've got it good this time! (Haven't you noticed that I didn't make any changings this time?) Why should I argue with anything. And I am not making a parallel between Montenegro and California (or Quebec). We'll leave it this way, since both countries want to (although this... OK, OK, "movement" is about to die-out pretty soon) dissolve the union. It is nothing similiat to Quebec at all, since Quebec wants clearly to scede from the state (by ALL means I see [I've read your article, it's quitte detaled]). I mean, if it would be similiar, then it would be something like this: "There are separatist movements in Quebec, but there are also separatist movements in every other province/territory of the country. (figurativly speaking)" since Montenegro OR Serbia don't want to SCEDE from Serbia and Montenegro, they want to dissolve it. I am very surprised that you keep mentioning Montenegro, instead of say... Montenegro and Serbia (if not Serbia and Montenegro since it's already the official name of the union). This is not a movement in which a oart of a country wants to seperate, it is a general "spiritual" presence in the Serbo-Montenegrin people of the question "should the union be kept?". Do you get me know?
(several days later).. ahm..... are you there?
I think the headline on the actual page ought to be changed. Suggesting that an article about separatism be split up into several different articles is the most ridiculous joke I've heard in a while. Wareq 0052 a.m. EST USA
I would like that the authot tell where the hell he found that Tamaulipas, Coahuila and Nuevo Leon all toghether wants to abandon Mexico, because that's an absolute lie, it's urgent to take out that false information from wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lefairh ( talk • contribs)
separatism doesn't exist in modern Croatia.. it appeared only during serbian occupation.. there are only 10 municipalities (and there is total of 120 muncipalities in Croatia) which don't have croatian majority so we can't talk about any type of separatism..
Some kids might be looking at this and saying "What? What's a secessionism?" or "What's a theorizing?". There should at least be Wikids. 2600:1700:DD90:6C6F:CB4:D092:66D1:8AB0 ( talk) 02:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)